SSD Update: Vertex gets faster

[bamacre]

Is this the Super Talent SSD that is using the same controller...?
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FTM64GX25H

 

[JASTECH]

If I may, As the SSD's will soon be as many as envelops on our desks there is a better way in the horizon. The "Memresister" will replace the SSD's and I believe RAM also as they can remeber where you last were before shutting down, so the next day or so when you start up again you will be right back extremely fast. These I understand will be in the market with in 3 years. I was thinking of the Memresister along with Intels 32 core CPU's that will use 8 cores as the Graphics chip that is much faster then the 295 of Nvidia or 4890 of AMD. This makes me want to get rid of my U320 15k 147GB drives I just installed, lol

Thanks, JASTECH

 

[Nafets]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Is this the Super Talent SSD that is using the same controller...?
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FTM64GX25H

Yes, all the Ultradrive ME models are mirror versions of the OCZ Vertex, give or take a few GBs...

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Nafets

Originally posted by: bamacre
Is this the Super Talent SSD that is using the same controller...?
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=FTM64GX25H

Yes, all the Ultradrive ME models are mirror versions of the OCZ Vertex, give or take a few GBs...

Given that OCZ doesn't assemble their products, they are more or less a business composed of sales, marketing, and tech support staff, it would not surprise me at all to find out that Super Talent may actually be the OEM of the drive and that OCZ's Vertex is merely a rebadging of the Super Talent drive.

OCZ doesn't even create their own firmware revs, they have to wait for the Indilinx engineers to do it.

 

[VStrom]

OCZ doesn't even create their own firmware revs, they have to wait for the Indilinx engineers to do it.

That's only natural being that the firmware is for the controller and the controller is Indilinx product but at the very least each company has input into how the firmware should be configured so the even if the drive designs are identical, performance will differ between the 2 mfgr drives.

BTW, the latest fw for the vertex supports trim and OCZ has a beta version of trim available. All rejoice!

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: VStrom

OCZ doesn't even create their own firmware revs, they have to wait for the Indilinx engineers to do it.

That's only natural being that the firmware is for the controller and the controller is Indilinx product but at the very least each company has input into how the firmware should be configured so the even if the drive designs are identical, performance will differ between the 2 mfgr drives.

BTW, the latest fw for the vertex supports trim and OCZ has a beta version of trim available. All rejoice!

It's only natural for their business model, no question there, but it also speaks to who owns (and who doesn't) the quality control loop and issues that arise from its management (or mis-management). E.g. firmware 1199 data loss debacle.

I'm hoping OCZ gets it right, or at the very least that their marketing dept and Anand convince enough would-be buyers to start buying them en masse so volume goes up and price goes down and takes the Intel SSD's down in price too (so that I can then buy the Intel drive for cheap).

 

[alcoholbob]

There's supposed to be an SLC Vertex (Vertex Extreme) coming out soon, and along with the OCZ Summit line, will probably push the Vertex down to the mainstream category, which is probably the reason why the prices dropped so fast.

I considered it briefly...but ended up picking up an Intel 64GB SLC. I really don't want to drop close to a grand and end up with another Vertex with possible stutter issues...the drive really benchmarks fantastically but really fails as a gaming platform. I don't even know what to do with the Vertex at this point, its hard to get good resell value. Laptop drive, maybe.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
I don't even know what to do with the Vertex at this point, its hard to get good resell value. Laptop drive, maybe.

Ah, buyer's remorse. Sweet sweet music to the competitions ears.

Spurn a customer once and you create a loyal customer to your competitor for their lifetime.

 

[VStrom]

The Vertex performs well enough for most users, especially if a few minor tweaks are implemented. Even the JMicron dives can be adequate for many people. However, people that are dipping into the SSD market today tend to be or of the enthusiast variety. They generally have higher performance expectations and if they detect any perceived performance issues via benchmark or real world use, they immediately become unhappy. Most won't be happy with anything affordable that comes out for the next year or so. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just they way it is.
Too many people are benchmark happy IMO and current benchmarks aren't really designed for SSD's.

 

[VStrom]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
E.g. firmware 1199 data loss debacle.

This was a direct result of OCZ trying to push the limits of the hardware to please their customers and releasing it a little prematurely due to customer demand. Users were specifically polled for what performance tweaks they wanted changed in the new firmware. If you spend any time on their forum, every other post is WHEN WILL THE NEW FIRMWARE COME OUT??. Even a day after the previous one was released.:laugh: This kinda goes back to my previous post.

The 1199 firmware didn't have very wide distribution AFAIK so impacts to users were pretty minimal.

I give them props for making the effort though.

 

[capeconsultant]

When this comes out: "There's supposed to be an SLC Vertex (Vertex Extreme) coming out soon", AND the new firmware or announcement or whatever it is comes out for the Intel, then there will be an interesting decision to make

 

[alcoholbob]

If its in the same vein of the X25-M vs the current Vertex, we'll probably be looking at a 100GB SLC Vertex in the same price bracket as the X25-E 64GB. At that point the trade off will I assume be IOPS vs storage space.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: VStrom
The Vertex performs well enough for most users, especially if a few minor tweaks are implemented. Even the JMicron dives can be adequate for many people. However, people that are dipping into the SSD market today tend to be or of the enthusiast variety. They generally have higher performance expectations and if they detect any perceived performance issues via benchmark or real world use, they immediately become unhappy. Most won't be happy with anything affordable that comes out for the next year or so. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just they way it is.
Too many people are benchmark happy IMO and current benchmarks aren't really designed for SSD's.

as a professional, a customer, a tweaker, and as a person who has a solaris fileserver (solaris is to linux what linux is to windows in terms of difficulty and inaneness and elitism) I have to say that none of those "optimizations" are "minor".

I am not even LOOKING at any SSD drive until the TRIM command is fully implemented and working.
And I would be rather happy when windows 7 delivers its other promises (proper alignment, auto disable all needed services, etc) Although I could and would do them manually, I would prefer not to have to.

I mean... imagine if intel leaves its X25 customers high and dry and says that the TRIM command will only be supported in the brand new (and expensive) X2-25 models? (or whatever they call them)

 

[VStrom]

Changing a few registry settings is minor IMO, any noob can do so with a guide and they are easy to change back. Besides, the tweaks are not required, they just help people get the most out of the drives. SSD's are relatively new to consumer PC's and still aren't mainstream - and won't be until they have matured some. You certainly are welcome to wait this out like many other people and no one should criticize you for doing so. I'm certainly not saving any money by jumping in feet first

 

[taltamir]

alignment is not a registry tweak...
And most of the so called "registry tweaks" can be done via windows GUI without touching the registry. I am comfortable editing the registry... I can not see my dad or mom (or brothers, or friends) doing the same.
And I said those things, while irking, will not stop me from buying an SSD... only lack of trim command (which requires only that you install windows 7 and flash firmware, OR buy a drive with the TRIM supporting firmware, no actual tweaks involved at all)

 

[VStrom]

Vista and Win 7 align properly by default...only XP needs correction which is easily done when you install. OCZ now has an app to perform trim but it is in beta and is working for XP 32 for the moment so you may just have your trim tool sooner than later

 

[taltamir]

vista does not align entirely correctly, but it does align better than XP whose alignment is atrocious.

Glad to hear that trim is getting along well.

 

[IntelUser2000]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
If its in the same vein of the X25-M vs the current Vertex, we'll probably be looking at a 100GB SLC Vertex in the same price bracket as the X25-E 64GB. At that point the trade off will I assume be IOPS vs storage space.

More, because 32GB X25-M has 20x 2GB chips making it potentially 40GB(and 32GB is in Gibibytes so its really like 29.8 Gigabytes). The space controller dedicated space.

 

[taltamir]

all this talk about incomplete firmwares... intel released a firmware fix for their MLC drive... apparently writing a lot of "white noise" sort of data could mess up their algorithms and cause the drive to be permanently and very severely degraded... now it will recover its speed as you write normal data again.

Still... TRIM should obsolete that fix... SHOULD... they better not mess this up.

 

[ledevil]

I am stuck on 1199 on OCZ vertex...Does any one have the firmware files 1275-1.10......