St. Louis minimum wage will drop from $10 to $7.70

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chucky2

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St Louis, Soon to be the new "Detroit". Seriously, I was there a few years ago while consulting for Anheusuer Busch and that city was a rat hole. Looks nice in the daytime but don't go out at *********ht unless armed and in a group.

I wouldn't say that, it's not even safe downtown during the day LOL. Used to hear all the time about assaults and/or someone being robbed right at the height of the morning commute. Fond memories of delivering equipment in ESL...
 

agent00f

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He needs rescuing? What a distressed little damsel he must be. As for Mooniebaby., we're best friends. I think I've mentioned it before. He's always quite pleasant with me. I don't think woolfe or jhhnn have a problem with me... they probably nothing me more than anything

Roflmouth & chucky sorts have many political allies ranging from the other degens digging for votes to liberals looking for strays to rescue.
 

Sea Ray

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To the topic... I purposely haven't read about this. The article title made me too sad. Therefore I don't know how this happened but I don't see how anyone can live on $7.70 an hour. I don't know how any politician could look at themselves after implementing such a thing. It's outrageous!

Of course you can't live on $7.70/hr. Nobody ever claimed it was a livable wage. Not all jobs are worth paying a livable wage. Some unskilled jobs are only worth $7.70/hr
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Of course you can't live on $7.70/hr. Nobody ever claimed it was a livable wage. Not all jobs are worth paying a livable wage. Some unskilled jobs are only worth $7.70/hr
You can't live on $0 a day either. What is the incentive to work for $7.70?
 

glenn1

Lifer
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To build an experience foundation from which to launch yourself into the workforce so you can qualify for a better paying job in the future.

Why not just convert the last couple years of high school to employer-sponsored work/training then? Taxpayers are already footing the bill for 16-18 year olds to go to school and if that doesn't make them qualified for jobs then why bother? If qualification can *only* be achieved by paid minimum wage work then let's stop bothering with the unproductive and wasted grades 10-12 for non college track students. $7.70 / hour * 2,080 hours "high school work" equals ~$16k which is probably what most school districts are spending per pupil annually anyway. Have the employer assume some of those payroll costs and contribute to SSI/disability and it's a win-win for everyone. Cheap labor for employers, saved money for taxpayers, spending money and experience for the 'students.'
 

Humpy

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Nobody ever claimed it was a livable wage. Not all jobs are worth paying a livable wage. Some unskilled jobs are only worth $7.70/hr

Nobody ever?

"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

You might Google that guy if you've never heard of him. I think he is also mentioned in books and stuff.
 

Sea Ray

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You can't live on $0 a day either. What is the incentive to work for $7.70?

Great point and one I agree with. The short answer is that you don't. When employers can't get people to work for seven bucks an hour they'll raise the pay until they can get workers. That's how the free market works. Of course then there are those who don't need a livable wage like my 17 yr old daughter. Others like her working summer jobs are not getting a livable wage but that's OK.
 

Sea Ray

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Nobody ever?

"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

You might Google that guy if you've never heard of him. I think he is also mentioned in books and stuff.

That quote has nothing to do with my comment that no one ever claimed that $7.70/hr was a livable wage.

As for FDR, in 1938 the min wage was set to $0.25/hr. He must have signed that legislation. Do you think that was a livable wage? $2/day.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Great point and one I agree with. The short answer is that you don't. When employers can't get people to work for seven bucks an hour they'll raise the pay until they can get workers. That's how the free market works. Of course then there are those who don't need a livable wage like my 17 yr old daughter. Others like her working summer jobs are not getting a livable wage but that's OK.
Except that's not how the "free market" works. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until China delivers fake "rice" right to your doorstep.
 
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Sea Ray

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Except that's not how the "free market" works. I'm sure it's only a matter of time until China delivers fake "rice" right to your doorstep.

This isn't mainland China. It's exactly how the free market works. That's why fast food places in my area are crying for workers and they keep raising their wages well beyond seven bucks an hour. Talk to anyone who hires in thise arenas. They'll tell you that they can't get workers for minimum so they have to pay more
 

Sea Ray

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1. President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the federal minimum wage into law on June 25, 1938 under the brand-new Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (FLSA), according to the United States Department of Labor.

Roosevelt declared that the bill was meant to give “all our able-bodied working men and women a fair day's pay for a fair day's work." The FLSA came into effect on October 24, 1938.

2. The original federal minimum wage was set at $0.25 per hour (equivalent to $4.18 in 2014 dollars)
with a maximum work week of 44 hours. According to Forbes, the minimum wage initially affected approximately 20 percent of the workforce.

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/minimum-wage-facts/2015/06/02/id/648243/

So FDR thought $4.18/hr was a fair wage.
 

Puffnstuff

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Why not just convert the last couple years of high school to employer-sponsored work/training then?
They already do that through work partnerships and internships. I would also point out that these programs must comply with all FLSA student clauses which also prohibit work that interferes with students schooling and limits the number of hours that can be worked each school week.
 

Younigue

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He, like so many others, has his own nonstandard orbit around reality.

But he proves harmless and a bit misguided. I believe he does have goodness in his heart and that he's trying to protect it in a way unfamiliar to us and a bit cultish for our comfort. He sees a world that can be molded to his thinking and not better for it but at least less painful due to a change in perspective of what is actually painful. Plus, as his bestie I am honor bound to defend him to a certain extent.
 
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Azuma Hazuki

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Sea Ray cannot be this fucking stupid. Back in the days when a meal was maybe 50 cents, yes, that was a livable wage. Inflation, goddamn it. Every time he opens his degenerate shit eating mouth it makes me more and more tempted to smack him in it.
 
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