Stable Genius speaks at a 4th grade level, lowest of the last 15 presidents, new analysis finds

1sikbITCH

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Does it take a genius to know you've got to speak to the people, on their own level?

Are you saying that Trump recognizes how stupid and uneducated many Americans are and so came up with a plan to speak to them like morons? It's a fair assessment although any planning was from Kushner and the sons, not Trump.
 
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Ventanni

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This was discussed during the election. Not new news. Trump speaks at a 4th grade level so that a greater audience "understands" him. There is a very strong correlation between grade speaking level and votes. The higher the grade level one speaks, the fewer votes they get.

What does that say about us?
 
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SlowSpyder

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Trump has you guys wrapped around his finger. You're giving him exactly what he wants.
 

SlowSpyder

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He wants praise and you are the one giving him that.

He likes attention, and you cannot stop talking about him. I think he is an "any publicity is good publicity" type, and he's getting a lot of it. People cannot stop talking about him, those that like and appreciate him as well as those that are against him.
 

HomerJS

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He likes attention, and you cannot stop talking about him. I think he is an "any publicity is good publicity" type, and he's getting a lot of it. People cannot stop talking about him, those that like and appreciate him as well as those that are against him.
That's why he's so pissed off about the book?
 

dank69

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He likes attention, and you cannot stop talking about him. I think he is an "any publicity is good publicity" type, and he's getting a lot of it. People cannot stop talking about him, those that like and appreciate him as well as those that are against him.
No he doesn't like negative attention. He flies into a rage whenever he is attacked. The problem is that it doesn't affect his supporters. They are immune to attacks on him because they are incapable of distinguishing reality from fiction, so all he has to do is say the attackers are lying and his supporters just nod and accept it, and then attack the attackers. It's just reflexive at this point.
 

bshole

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Meh, dunno what to make of that. I consider Truman to be a solid president and his number was very low as well. In addition FDR and W have the same score and they are at opposite ends of spectrum for performance.
 

pauldun170

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Trump has always spoken at 4th grade level.
You can dig up everything from 25 year old congressional hearings to discussions amongst peers from the 80's.
In professional settings, he will pepper his normal lingo with talking points from who ever prepped him for his meeting.
His prep goes like this:
1. He is presented with an issue
2. He asks for quick simple summary. Preferably in simple terms.
3. He puts together a simple analogy to help him remember.
4. He builds off the analogy.

40+ years of narcissistic child hiding behind charm and colorful analogies.


He is not strong with "language".
Never has been.
The only thing that has changed is that his mind is going and he is sinking deeper into dementia.

True story
 

woolfe9998

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Meh, dunno what to make of that. I consider Truman to be a solid president and his number was very low as well. In addition FDR and W have the same score and they are at opposite ends of spectrum for performance.

Verbal articulation doesn't perfectly correlate with intelligence, but in Trump's case, I think it does. Combine his speech patterns with his general ignorance of a wide range of issues, his miniscule attention span and distaste for reading, and the conclusion is inescapable.
 
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bshole

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Verbal articulation doesn't perfectly correlate with intelligence, but in Trump's case, I think it does. Combine his speech patterns with his general ignorance of a wide range of issues, his miniscule attention span and distaste for reading, and the conclusion is inescapable.

I think he is dumber than he was 30 years ago. I have watched old segments of him speaking and he didn't appear nearly as retarded as he does now.
 

woolfe9998

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I think he is dumber than he was 30 years ago. I have watched old segments of him speaking and he didn't appear nearly as retarded as he does now.

Yes, absolutely. The question is whether this is ordinary cognitive decline or if we're seeing an early stage of dementia. I have doubted the dementia theory but recent comments from some insiders saying that he has declined even since last year are starting to make me wonder.
 
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boomerang

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And the left still can't understand him.

You guys should really demand compensation for keeping the numbers so high for your news sources. They come up with several click bait articles each day and you just keep coming back for more and more and more. You're keeping numerous cable channels and a huge number of websites as well as some print publications going. Congrats?

Trump is dominating your thoughts 24/7/365. Congrats again?
 

Sunburn74

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This was discussed during the election. Not new news. Trump speaks at a 4th grade level so that a greater audience "understands" him. There is a very strong correlation between grade speaking level and votes. The higher the grade level one speaks, the fewer votes they get.

What does that say about us?
I think the analysis looked at unscripted words. With routine speech off the cuff to anyone he is 4th grade. What's particularly damning to me is how much he repeats during the same chat..it's like he can't come up with new words and sentences just like a child. I know a 4 year old who does just that. When you ask her for clarification she just says the same thing again just louder.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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Does it take a genius to know you've got to speak to the people, on their own level?

Are you saying that Trump recognizes how stupid and uneducated many Americans are and so came up with a plan to speak to them like morons? It's a fair assessment although any planning was from Kushner and the sons, not Trump.

Anyone who thinks Trump has a "serious strategy" in this regard is missing the signs that make an alternate and simpler assessment more likely.

But to be forthright, even the evaluation of Truman matters less, because he was a gentleman. All of our past presidents, for the most part, met that criterion. While Trump's friends and surrogates insist that he is "gentlemanly," his public appearance, his words, his willingness to offend anybody but his hard-core base make it otherwise.

I would think that Obama's "rating" is the result of his calculation to reach as many people as he could.

Consider the notion that Trump "calculates" his deliveries. This is likely not so, given our ability to identify immediately whether he's impromptu or using a teleprompter. He labors with the teleprompter, inhaling loudly between phrases or sentences to give an impression of sneering at people in his delivery.

There is no calculation there. There is only discomfort at managing written or printed material better than a high-school dropout.
 
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momeNt

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Most of his speech intelligence lies in his use of hand gestures, inflection, and delivery. Flesch Kincaid is used to grade the written word, we do not have an accurate metric for grading the spoken word.
 
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