Standup Citizen George Zimmerman

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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All I'm saying is that it does neither him nor his fan club any service to be acting like a total goon in the very public way that he is.

We like our troubled, destroyed individuals to keep their horrors to themselves.

He may very well have come out of all this as a danger to society.
 

LTC8K6

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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/police-george-zimmerman-accused-threatening-driver/nhLmj/

Police said Matthew Apperson told them he is not interested in pressing charges, despite claims that Zimmerman showed up at his workplace two days after allegedly threatening to kill him.

A body camera on a Lake Mary police officer recorded the officer's encounter with Zimmerman.

"What were you doing here at Waymont over there? You have business or something?" the officer is heard asking Zimmerman.

Zimmerman claimed it was just a coincidence that he was outside Apperson's workplace. He said he was visiting a doctor, whose office was next door.

"By all accounts he had a legitimate reason for being in the parking lot," said Bianca Gillette with the Lake Mary Police Department. "Coincidences do happen. Officers on scene investigated to the best they could. We did not have a crime that occurred."

Police said Zimmerman admitted to being a part of the incident on Lake Mary Boulevard but did not admit to making death threats.
 

Vic

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There was never an initial encounter. Up until TM decided to be a thug fighter, nobody had "encountered" anybody. TM is 100% at fault for turning it into a violent situation.

And as far as GZ - as somebody else said, just because somebody claimed it doesn't mean it happened.

Cognitive dissonance?

Seriously, I've never really cared about this Zimmerman Martin thing, but those 2 paragraphs taken together are pretty amazing.
 

emperus

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He may very well have come out of all this as a danger to society.

That's interesting. I always thought adversity was the test of a man's true character and or revealed it. If you truly believe that he wasn't a psychopathic asshole before the TM incident. What does it say about George Zimmerman that through this adversity this is the character he reveals to the world (one of a man who is now a danger to society?).
 

alcoholbob

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If he had stayed home that night instead of going all vigilante, everyone would have been better off.

And let Travyvon meet his eventual end another way, perhaps at the end of a knife, fist, or glock, as destined by his life of getting into fights with other esteemed members of the community.
 

emperus

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And let Travyvon meet his eventual end another way, perhaps at the end of a knife, fist, or glock, as destined by his life of getting into fights with other esteemed members of the community.

Yes. Yes. Yes. That is of course the fate of all black people. Yeah, I didn't miss the "esteemed members of the community" bit.

Racists will be racists.
 

LegendKiller

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Cognitive dissonance?

Seriously, I've never really cared about this Zimmerman Martin thing, but those 2 paragraphs taken together are pretty amazing.

There's tons of evidence backing up GZs version of events, including the prosecutions witness highlighting TM was a racist *and* went out to confront GZ. That right there is an open and shut case. There's nothing more to it.

After that you have the racist fighter burglar beating GZ up, all evidence points to that. Self defense. Done.

Sorry you can't cognitively un-dissonance your own thoughts. Not my fault though.
 

LegendKiller

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Yes. Yes. Yes. That is of course the fate of all black people. Yeah, I didn't miss the "esteemed members of the community" bit.

Racists will be racists.

Explain the relatively high level of young black men being killed by other young black men. I guess statistics is racist too.
 

her209

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Meanwhile, Casey Anthony sits at home wondering if the police will ever catch the person who kidnapped and murdered her daughter.

 

Londo_Jowo

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There's tons of evidence backing up GZs version of events, including the prosecutions witness highlighting TM was a racist *and* went out to confront GZ. That right there is an open and shut case. There's nothing more to it.

After that you have the racist fighter burglar beating GZ up, all evidence points to that. Self defense. Done.

Sorry you can't cognitively un-dissonance your own thoughts. Not my fault though.

They will never get it as they can't separate emotion from logic. If they could they would see there never was any evidence that disproved self defense and in accordance with Florida law GZ should have never been charged with any crime or prosecuted.
 

Rakehellion

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Call me a Zimmerman apologist if you like, but honestly, the man was thrust from complete no-name Joe obscurity, directly into extreme public scrutiny of every aspect of his life for over a year, with half of the people of this country hating his guts. You think you'd be able to go back to "life as normal" after that?

Sure, lots of famous people go around making death threats, committing acts of domestic violence, etc. It's par for the course. Who wouldn't want to become a violent criminal after being accused of being a violent criminal?
 

Rakehellion

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So he should have been jailed for a crime he apparently didn't commit? And now all those that accepted the outcome should be ashamed because he might be an ass?

You have some really strange logic going there.

Whatever. OJ Simpson was acquitted too. The Zim Zam'll get caught soon enough.
 

Zodiark1593

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In this country, you are legally innocent until proven guilty. Aside from being in the parking lot, there is no proof of Zimmerman even approaching Matthew, let alone making a legitimate threat. Mob mentality has no place in our justice system.
 

Svnla

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funny I don't remember you saying that about Travon when he decided to attack Zimmerman...

Keep it real goes wrong. Deadly wrong. Mess with the wrong person (with CCW) = dead.

Attack another person = action.

End up dead = consequence.


Explain the relatively high level of young black men being killed by other young black men. I guess statistics is racist too.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...illiams-no-1-cause-death-african-americans-1/

"I think there’s fear of intimidation, harassment being legitimized by the fact that there is a high rate of crime, especially among young black men," Williams said. "No. 1 cause of death, young black men 15 to 34 — murder. Who’s committing the murder? Not police. Other black men."

Williams said that the No. 1 cause of death for black men 15-34 years old is murder.

CDC data supports the claim. Out of all causes of death, homicide claimed about 40 percent of black lives between 15 and 34 years. This was significantly higher than the national average for males of that age group, and all other racial groups.

We rate Williams' claim True.

Look at the graph, especially the red color bar. Shocking eh? Soooooo racist.
 
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her209

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In this country, you are legally innocent until proven guilty. Aside from being in the parking lot, there is no proof of Zimmerman even approaching Matthew, let alone making a legitimate threat. Mob mentality has no place in our justice system.

Who is Matthew?
 

trenchfoot

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Kind'a interesting to see and hear about these ongoing travails of GZ post-acquittal.

I've also read some pretty interesting psychological analyses on GZ from an assortment of sites from the psych community.

But the one really interesting comment I read about the killing was how things could have turned out with opposite effect if TM had been similarly armed as GZ was. This made me reflect on the idea that GZ either assumed that TM was not carrying, thus had the advantage in a possible encounter or that GZ was willing to risk a shootout with TM to pursue his agenda, whatever that was.

Interesting too was the comment that GZ may have, consciously or not, wanted to provoke a confrontation simply for the fact that TM realized GZ was following him and wanted to respond to that act, whereas had GZ been more discrete, as his "eyes and ears" ROE required him to be, the confrontation would not have occurred.
 

Londo_Jowo

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whereas had GZ been more discrete, as his "eyes and ears" ROE required him to be, the confrontation would not have occurred.

You mean the ROE an organization that the NW at Retreat at Twin Lakes was not a member???

Had TM not returned and assaulted GZ there never would have been an altercation or a need for self defense.
 
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alzan

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You mean the ROE an organization that the NW at Retreat at Twin Lakes was not a member???

Had TM not returned and assaulted GZ there never would have been an altercation or a need for self defense.

Had GZ been properly performing his NW duties there never would have been an altercation.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Had GZ been properly performing his NW duties there never would have been an altercation.

How was he not performing his duties? He was keeping an eye on his neighborhood. He tried to keep an eye on someone he deemed to be suspicious and when the person ran he tried to determine where they ran so he could inform the police when they arrived.

Minutes later TM returned and assaulted him. During this assault GZ exercised his right to right defense and TM paid the price for assaulting someone who happened to be armed.
 
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