Standup Citizen George Zimmerman

[shortylickens]

He recognized him?

Which means he could have lied just to get him in trouble.

 

[alzan]

How was he not performing his duties? He was keeping an eye on his neighborhood. He tried to keep an eye on someone he deemed to be suspicious and when the person ran he tried to determine where they ran so he could inform the police when they arrived.

Minutes later TM returned and assaulted him. During this assault GZ exercised his right to right defense and TM paid the price for assaulting someone who happened to be armed.

He was armed, alone, and after calling police went ahead and followed on foot someone he reported as suspicious. All three of those actions are strongly discouraged by the National Sheriffs Assn.

And before you go down the "discouraged isn't the same as illegal" path those actions are discouraged in order to prevent violence and/or death; something which believe it or not is not only encouraged by LE organizations and departments but by an overwhelming majority of people.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yet none of those actions gave TM the excuse to come back and assault GZ, none!!!

TM is responsible for his own death due to his choice to assault a person that happened to be armed.

 

[cubby1223]

He was armed, alone, and after calling police went ahead and followed on foot someone he reported as suspicious. All three of those actions are strongly discouraged by the National Sheriffs Assn.

And before you go down the "discouraged isn't the same as illegal" path those actions are discouraged in order to prevent violence and/or death; something which believe it or not is not only encouraged by LE organizations and departments but by an overwhelming majority of people.

Many behaviors are discouraged but not illegal. And the act of discouraging such other behaviors in many cases is labeled as "victim blaming," often by the very same who openly discourage this behavior.

 

[Vic]

They will never get it as they can't separate emotion from logic. If they could they would see there never was any evidence that disproved self defense and in accordance with Florida law GZ should have never been charged with any crime or prosecuted.

So questioning why one hearsay is considered more reliable than another is now being emotional? That's so interesting.

 

[cubby1223]

So questioning why one hearsay is considered more reliable than another is now being emotional? That's so interesting.

The act of questioning to gather facts is not emotional.

The issue of why a particular person is questioning, most certainly can be emotional, and in this situation likely is.

Example: Glenn Beck always preached to his "followers" to question everything. Because questioning is what smart people do. But the underlying motivations were because he's an emotional nut-bag.

RT's entire network motto is "Question Everything," and we all know how dedicated they are to the truth...

 

[alzan]

Yet none of those actions gave TM the excuse to come back and assault GZ, none!!!

TM is responsible for his own death due to his choice to assault a person that happened to be armed.

No action by TM gave GZ the right to initially accost or assault him.

A bullet through the chest is what's responsible for TM's death.

 

[LegendKiller]

No action by TM gave GZ the right to initially accost or assault him.

A bullet through the chest is what's responsible for TM's death.

How the fuck did GZ accost or assault TM?

 

[alzan]

How the fuck did GZ accost or assault TM?

By confronting him in the first place. The correct and responsible thing for GZ to have done was report the "suspicious" TM to the police and let the police handle the situation.

Accost or assault are verbal.

 

[MongGrel]

Zimmerman is an idiot on the loose after his acquittal now, and more paranoid than he was to begin with.

Must think he's De Niro in Taxi Driver.

He's lucky the guy having a CWC didn't wax his butt when threatening to kill him, but he knew the guy was all ready a psycho and what would entail if he shot him after all his other nutcase things.

Pretty much is a dangerous idiot running amok in public ATM.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

No action by TM gave GZ the right to initially accost or assault him.

A bullet through the chest is what's responsible for TM's death.

No accost or assault from GZ found. Only assault came from TM and GZ shot him in self defense during that assault.

 

[alzan]

No accost or assault from GZ found. Only assault came from TM and GZ shot him in self defense during that assault.

Accost and assault are verbal.

 

[MongGrel]

Accost and assault are verbal.

Yep.

 

[dank69]

Yet none of those actions gave TM the excuse to come back and assault GZ, none!!!

TM is responsible for his own death due to his choice to assault a person that happened to be armed.

Right. Those actions did not give TM an excuse, but they are actions and they did have consequences.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Accost and assault are verbal.

Can please provide evidence of such? It was not in the prosecution's evidence that was released or introduced during the trial.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Right. Those actions did not give TM an excuse, but they are actions and they did have consequences.

Yep, TM's actions had grave consequences.

 

[LegendKiller]

By confronting him in the first place. The correct and responsible thing for GZ to have done was report the "suspicious" TM to the police and let the police handle the situation.

Accost or assault are verbal.

GZ never confronted him. TM disappeared and then came back and confronted GZ. Period. Please show that GZ "confronted" TM verbally.

He was under no legal obligation to do that. Nor was he under a moral obligation. He had every legal and moral right to check things out on his own. To claim otherwise is to usurp every liberty we have. We are not beholden to police when it comes to our own personal safety, nor do we have to cower in our houses like little children waiting for them to save the day. To think otherwise is to eliminate free will and the ability to protect us and our own from those would would harm us.

This is the difference between people who desire freedom and security, we are more than willing to take it for ourselves. You are more than willing to give it up to others, the ones who would eventually take it for themselves.

I saw my neighbor's security light go off a few months ago. I went to our back yards and checked his house out, I knew they were away. I am a pretty big guy, had a nice sturdy flashlight with me, and my wife was watching from the house. Did I do something illegal? Did I do something that would have given up my rights to defend myself? No, I was watching my own property and my neighbors. That is *NOT* illegal. It does *NOT* give up my god given rights to protect myself.

I'm not going to fucking call the cops just for that, are you fucking stupid?

 

[alcoholbob]

Double post.

 

[alcoholbob]

Yes. Yes. Yes. That is of course the fate of all black people. Yeah, I didn't miss the "esteemed members of the community" bit.

Racists will be racists.

Its racist to point out Trayvon kept texting about his love of fighting and beating the shit out of people? The left's doublespeak is getting so loony even the left wont be able to take their own words seriously in a few years.

 

[positivedoppler]

I just want to throw this out for people who are convinced that GZ is still a standout citizen who was wrong accused and continue to have bad media attention from people who are out to get him or get attention.

Would you trust GZ to be friend with your family and to have him hang around your family?

 

[etrigan420]

Would you trust GZ to be friend with your family and to have him hang around your family?

Well sure...I'm white.

 

[nehalem256]

Its racist to point out Trayvon kept texting about his love of fighting and beating the shit out of people? The left's doublespeak is getting so loony even the left wont be able to take their own words seriously in a few years.

I think you are underestimating their tolerance for looniness.

Over in the Brown thread there was an article posted that was claiming that expecting people to show up in court for their traffic tickets was racist.:\

 

[spacejamz]

I just want to throw this out for people who are convinced that GZ is still a standout citizen who was wrong accused and continue to have bad media attention from people who are out to get him or get attention.

Would you trust GZ to be friend with your family and to have him hang around your family?

I would trust him more than Travon...

 

[positivedoppler]

I would trust him more than Travon...

lol, bu that's not the question.

I think there might be three main group of people and each are justified in their opinion

Group A. These are the ones who believe GZ is responsible for the death of TM through his aggressive action and should have been guilty of something.

Group B. These are the ones who is not sure but believes that there is not enough evidence to convict him.

Group C. Believes GZ is innocent and was purely acting in self defense against the aggressor TM. Group C are also the most likely to believe that these headlines featuring GM in some questionable deeds are just media sensation stories with no merit.


Group A and Group B opinion are both understandable. But for group C, if you are convinced of his innocence and that these media stories are just false mud being sling in his direction, would you be ok with GZ hanging around your family? If you wouldn't mind having GZ close to your family, then your opinion is also as equally valid as Group A and B. After all, as long as your opinion isn't based on a double standard and is not hypocritical, it would be as valid as any other.

Of course TM is dead, but I would pose the same question Group A. If you are sure GZ is the aggressor, would you be ok with TM as a family friend?

 

[LegendKiller]

I just want to throw this out for people who are convinced that GZ is still a standout citizen who was wrong accused and continue to have bad media attention from people who are out to get him or get attention.

Would you trust GZ to be friend with your family and to have him hang around your family?

Enough with the false equivalence. Nobody gives a shit whether you'd trust GZ or not, if he is not guilty, he is not guilty. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he is guilty of any of this.