Star Citizen: Chris Robert`s new space sim (the Wing Commander guy)

[bbhaag]

Only 10 hours to go and I get to try out 2.0! How are you guys liking it so far? Anymore insights?

 

[SithSolo1]

$100 Million and still going.

Also just saw this on the forums:
https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...1gig-s-teamspeak-for-all-star-citizens#latest

Group of guys setup a 10k slot Teamspeak server.

 

[SLU Aequitas]

Sadly still horrible fps for me. Just got my x34 in, 21:9 support is flawless. Took a quick stroll over at one of the relays, engaged pirates, heard a quantum jump incoming, thought I had backup. Got ganked instead, lost my tail and engines. Saw the avenger coming towards me, set the girl to auto destruct and bailed, was too far from the relay so I just eva'd a bit. Turns out the ganker turned on the relay, updated my journal lol. Also, did obligatory supercruise pass through port rings, nearly hit the solar panels, wifey came in concerned because I was making too much noise. 11/10, would willingly be ganked again.

 

[nsafreak]

That is really odd that your FPS is bad. Have you tried setting up a user.cfg file in the Public folder? I did it for the PTU and it helped me a good bit. My settings:

r_AntialiasingMode = 1
r_VSync = 1

ai_NavigationSystemMT = 1
e_ParticlesThread = 1
e_StatObjMergeUseThread = 1
gfx_loadtimethread = 1
p_num_threads = 1
sys_job_system_enable = 0
sys_main_CPU = 0
sys_physics_CPU = 1
sys_streaming_CPU = 2

 

[Harabec]

So....I have not been following much, just hoping that someday SC will become something.
How is it coming along? Is there anything to do solo? How's flying with KB+M?

 

[SLU Aequitas]

That is really odd that your FPS is bad. Have you tried setting up a user.cfg file in the Public folder? I did it for the PTU and it helped me a good bit. My settings:

r_AntialiasingMode = 1
r_VSync = 1

ai_NavigationSystemMT = 1
e_ParticlesThread = 1
e_StatObjMergeUseThread = 1
gfx_loadtimethread = 1
p_num_threads = 1
sys_job_system_enable = 0
sys_main_CPU = 0
sys_physics_CPU = 1
sys_streaming_CPU = 2

It's a server backend issue apparently, which makes sense since my GPU utilization was low and my 20ish fps didn't change regardless of settings and resolution.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Updating to 2.0, 200kb/s, 24.1GB to go, 1d1h59m

 

[Stringjam]

I've had a lot of fun so far in 2.0. A few things I've noticed:

Audio Quality: Seriously...it's just alpha and sound engineering is just superb. I'm glad to see a dev take this seriously. The Connie engine sound is perfect; the way sound varies by proximity - possibly the best I've heard in ANY game, and this isn't even a game yet.

Aiming: PIP stability with joysticks has improved 1000%. IMO, this is the most significant mechanic improvement with 2.0. No more wobble or annoying overshoot. Joystick aiming is precise and following an aiming vector is SO much easier.

Flight model: I need more time here. Thrusters are definitely nerfed, thus boost strafing is far less effective. I'm worried they're going to go too far towards "Elite: Dangerous" style airplanes in space. At least they're not putting E: D inspired constraints on yaw - - that would be my boiling point. At this point, flight feels good - overall it's a smoother experience and it hasn't taken too big a step away from feeling like piloting spaceships.

With that said, I would really like to see them bump up the thruster values. I personally thought 1.3 had pretty darn good flight - I would like to see it take a step back that direction.


Vanguard: Got to see my Vanguard in-hangar for the first time. First impression - mind you it is merely in greybox stage with definite changes coming. It is way bigger than I thought it would be (or longer). It looks huge, but you go inside and it feels quite cramped. The living area is quite narrow and small.

In contrast, the Redeemer looks far more compact (and a smaller target), yet you go inside and it's like a luxury tour bus compared to the Vanguard. I'm sure things will change as the model advances, so not worried at this point. I see some overlap between the roles a Redeemer and Warden would play, and in that situation, I would take the Redeemer every time at the moment. The Harbinger separates the line with those big ship busting torpedoes, so I have a feeling that's the BUK I'll be using most.


Overall - I'm quite impressed with 2.0. I think it's a precursor to some truly amazing things to come. I can't wait till they start adding landing zones to it - - talk is that Nyx is coming to 2.1.

Also....the Avenger has got to be one of the best solo values in the game at this point. I have a Stalker, and the Suckerpunch + Tigerstriek combo is excellent. I hope they really look hard at the 300 series during the rework, because at this point the Avenger is just a lot more versatile in most ways.

 

[rivethead]

2.0 is a frustrating enigma for me.

The FPS is horrendous. And so far, I've yet to be able to even take off from Port Olisar.....the client crashes to desktop every time. This after about 4-5 minutes of gameplay. The Avenger is bugged such that when you attempt to get in (walking up the rear ramp) you fall through it. No way to get to the back of the cargo bay and access the door leading to the pilot's seat.

What's strange (and frustrating) about this is that PTU 2.0g didn't have this many issues (no crashes to desktop, no avenger bug, way fewer freezes and low FPS) for me. This feels like a massive step backwards.

In short, Port Olisar is unplayable for me.

I was able to get into Arc Corp and that ran very smooth. Lots of people there, lot of new details since the last time I was in. Chat worked smooth. I like the new commands.

I was also able to get into AC and try out some Vanduul Swarm in the Titan. After getting beat up pretty good (mostly due to running into asteroids....not used to the Titan's speed at all coming from an LN), I found a crevice in a large asteroid. I EVA'd out and watch it drift into the side of the asteroid....slowly destroying the ship. That was interesting.

Lastly, it's 12 days to Christmas and they still haven't hung that awesome wreath in my hangar that we had last year :-(

 

[rivethead]

So....I have not been following much, just hoping that someday SC will become something.
How is it coming along? Is there anything to do solo? How's flying with KB+M?

Solo you can:

1) Access your hangar and walk around any ships you own....which really lets you see the level of detail they've added to the ships.
2) Access a sim pod within your hangar which lets you enter Arena Commander in which you can play the tutorial teaching you the basics of flight and combat, free fly to practice those, vanduul storm to battle increasingly difficult waves of AI, and racing on three different tracks
3) You can also access a wonkavator that will take you to Arc Corp a city/planet that you can explore. This is multi-player but there is no interaction with others if you don't want there to be.
4) And finally you can access Port Olisar and attempt various missions in a very large system. This is multi-player as well - while you can do the missions solo, you'll likely encounter others who may or may not be friendly.

In short, there's lots to do solo. Flying with a KB + M is the most common input method in the verse. It's fine, doable, but not nearly as immersive as a stick or throttle.

 

[Stringjam]

2.0 is a frustrating enigma for me.

That sucks, Rivet. I assume you've deleted USER folder and the usual stuff.

I've been pretty fortunate. The most annoying bug I've run across in Port Olisar is that sometimes the ship selection interface won't interact. Also, I took off in my Connie and it smashed to pieces on some invisible object. As I was floating down, another Connie in front of me strafed up and got smashed up, too.

I get lots of Code 7s and 0s though trying to get in during busy periods.

 

[mnewsham]

My first dive into 2.0 went great, I didn't expect much besides a slide show simply because my computer specs are nothing to write home about, but I was able to take off in the Constellation and fly around for 10-15 minutes.


I will need to upgrade my computer before really diving into things however.

 

[rivethead]

That sucks, Rivet. I assume you've deleted USER folder and the usual stuff.

I've been pretty fortunate. The most annoying bug I've run across in Port Olisar is that sometimes the ship selection interface won't interact. Also, I took off in my Connie and it smashed to pieces on some invisible object. As I was floating down, another Connie in front of me strafed up and got smashed up, too.

I get lots of Code 7s and 0s though trying to get in during busy periods.

So I'm starting to wonder if 2.0 just pushes my hardware too far. Tonight I finally talked my son into firing up SC (he's been too consumed with Rainbow Six Siege to bother).

For the past hour, I've watch him smoothly access Port Olisar, fly a Gladius, destroy all the pirates at a comm array, EVA to it and flip the switch, destroy more pirates dumb enough to mess with him, fly to Cry Astro, get repaired, fly to Karesh, find no one there to FPS with, fly to Covalex, explore and find voice coms, fly back to Port Olisar and exit to hangar.

No freezes, very few fps drops, no crashes to desktop. He's so excited. I'm jealous. He was running on high settings using a i7, 8 gb of ram and a GPU that's equivalent to the 7950 (can't remember what Radeon is calling it).

So same RAM as me, a GPU one generation better, and a CPU much better than my AMD 620 Propus.

But still.....I had a much better experience on PTU 2.0g (never got around to trying h-k) than I'm having now.

No worries though....I'm planning on upgrading my system this spring.

Edit: and I have to mention....watching him for an hour.....those explosions are amazing. He was wearing his headset so I couldn't hear anything, but he kept saying how amazing everything sounded when stuff exploded!

 

[Bubbleawsome]

So I'm starting to wonder if 2.0 just pushes my hardware too far. Tonight I finally talked my son into firing up SC (he's been too consumed with Rainbow Six Siege to bother).

For the past hour, I've watch him smoothly access Port Olisar, fly a Gladius, destroy all the pirates at a comm array, EVA to it and flip the switch, destroy more pirates dumb enough to mess with him, fly to Cry Astro, get repaired, fly to Karesh, find no one there to FPS with, fly to Covalex, explore and find voice coms, fly back to Port Olisar and exit to hangar.

No freezes, very few fps drops, no crashes to desktop. He's so excited. I'm jealous. He was running on high settings using a i7, 8 gb of ram and a GPU that's equivalent to the 7950 (can't remember what Radeon is calling it).

So same RAM as me, a GPU one generation better, and a CPU much better than my AMD 620 Propus.

But still.....I had a much better experience on PTU 2.0g (never got around to trying h-k) than I'm having now.

No worries though....I'm planning on upgrading my system this spring.

Edit: and I have to mention....watching him for an hour.....those explosions are amazing. He was wearing his headset so I couldn't hear anything, but he kept saying how amazing everything sounded when stuff exploded!

Honestly the CPU shouldn't be an issue, and the GPU is made of the same stuff. You should be fine.

I know it sucks, but have you done a full reinstall, clean?

 

[mnewsham]

AMD 620

That CPU is def old enough that the i7 he has is easily 4-5x as powerful.



You need a CPU upgrade. My GPUs are fine for this game, but I can't get over 20fps because of my CPU as well.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

I mean purely in a crashing regard. It shouldn't crash just because an older CPU.

SC is going to be crazy by full release though. I'm playing 1080p and even with my specs I can't hope to max it out. Even mediums I'm seeing easy drops into 30fps. I wanted to use occulus with this, but seeing the requirements for CV1 I may have to drop much more $$$ into the PC before VR is even an option.

 

[Sabrewings]

I mean purely in a crashing regard. It shouldn't crash just because an older CPU.

There's a lot of netcode requirements currently and the main thread doesn't multicore very well, so if the CPU is too busy with other calculations and too much network activity is missed, it can crash.

For the record, I only crashed once when I played Saturday at the end of about 40 minutes and none at all the night before. I recorded my session Saturday because crazy stuff comes out of nowhere sometimes; posted below. I was coming out of a comm array back to my Connie and a Gladius comes out of nowhere, slams the Connie into a spin, then blows up against the comm array. I managed to get back in the Connie and take her to CryAstro for some TLC. Tough ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnGlFrBeBHg

 

[rivethead]

I know it sucks, but have you done a full reinstall, clean?

Yep. I did that when I went from PTU to Live.....I wiped everything.

The one thing I do find curious though......when my kid played he was on an almost empty server (as evidenced by the fact that no one was at Karesh to FPS with....it was empty).

I don't even recall seeing another player at Olisar, to be honest.

So maybe that's why his session was running so smooth.

When I played, there were lots of people running around the halls of Olisar and the ship room was full of people as well.

I'm gonna give it more attempts this week......this stuff is too fun/exciting not to!

 

[Stringjam]

I managed to get back in the Connie and take her to CryAstro for some TLC. Tough ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnGlFrBeBHg

(@25:35) I'm wondering if the Gladius was in the area and just didn't look up before he tried to take off.

Pretty cool to watch the whole EVA mechanic at work....climbing back into the ship with sparks flying and what-not.

 

[rivethead]

There's a lot of netcode requirements currently and the main thread doesn't multicore very well, so if the CPU is too busy with other calculations and too much network activity is missed, it can crash.

For the record, I only crashed once when I played Saturday at the end of about 40 minutes and none at all the night before. I recorded my session Saturday because crazy stuff comes out of nowhere sometimes; posted below. I was coming out of a comm array back to my Connie and a Gladius comes out of nowhere, slams the Connie into a spin, then blows up against the comm array. I managed to get back in the Connie and take her to CryAstro for some TLC. Tough ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnGlFrBeBHg

I'm guessing the repair bots at the first CryAstro landing pad you landed on were on break?

 

[rivethead]

Yeah, I enjoyed watching that. Especially when he went out to look at that port engine all on fire. I can imagine he was thinking....."yeah, sh*t, that's bad. that's gonna cost me some credits......"

 

[Igo69]

Solo you can:

1) Access your hangar and walk around any ships you own....which really lets you see the level of detail they've added to the ships.
2) Access a sim pod within your hangar which lets you enter Arena Commander in which you can play the tutorial teaching you the basics of flight and combat, free fly to practice those, vanduul storm to battle increasingly difficult waves of AI, and racing on three different tracks
3) You can also access a wonkavator that will take you to Arc Corp a city/planet that you can explore. This is multi-player but there is no interaction with others if you don't want there to be.
4) And finally you can access Port Olisar and attempt various missions in a very large system. This is multi-player as well - while you can do the missions solo, you'll likely encounter others who may or may not be friendly.

In short, there's lots to do solo. Flying with a KB + M is the most common input method in the verse. It's fine, doable, but not nearly as immersive as a stick or throttle.

I this game works like some games today: if you want to get something or something special right away you have to pay real cash for it otherwise you have to work for it?

 

[Harabec]

I upgraded from a similar 7850 1GB to a GTX970 a couple of weeks ago and the difference is MASSIVE.
I have an i5 3470 though, I'm not sure how that would go without replacing your mobo\CPU.

 

[rivethead]

I this game works like some games today: if you want to get something or something special right away you have to pay real cash for it otherwise you have to work for it?

Yes. And no. Everything in the game will be available to earn in-game. However CIG will allow you to purchase UEC (in-game currency) for real cash - but it's limited to a set amount each month. The limit is in place as a control to keep people from buying their way to the "best" items quickly.

But keep in mind that there isn't really a "win" in this game (at least in my opinion....which invalidates any pay-to-win argument). You can have the best ship in the game, and still be defeated by the worst ship in the game piloted by someone with awesome pilot skills and a fair amount of good luck.

 

[rivethead]

I upgraded from a similar 7850 1GB to a GTX970 a couple of weeks ago and the difference is MASSIVE.
I have an i5 3470 though, I'm not sure how that would go without replacing your mobo\CPU.

Yeah, even though I've had a stable overclock of my CPU for going on five years now (so it's much better than stock), I think my CPU just can't keep up.

CPU/GPU/Mobo (and maybe even RAM) upgrades are in my future for sure.