Star Citizen: Chris Robert`s new space sim (the Wing Commander guy)

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SithSolo1

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Sith's End of LTI Exchange Program

We are now one month from the end of LTI, November 26th. While not game breaking, its a nice little perk.

As such I am willing to help any current members who wish to convert their current Non-LTI package(s) or add-on ships to the LTI versions.
I recommend converting packages before the Alpha slots are gone, currently at 2,987 and falling.

Important Notes:
Gifting requires you to send me the email address you used for your RSI account, if you do not wish to disclose this information I can't help you.

Any ship/package must be at least 24 hours old before it can be melted and converted.

Limited time ships/packages without LTI may or may not be able to be converted at this time due to availability.

For ships/packages where the LTI version costs less than the New Backer version you will be notified of the difference before the conversion.
You will receive additional melt-able items(skins/ships) totaling the difference so that you are still getting full value for the amount you pledged.
*Exception* - The Non-LTI Digital Scout is $5 cheaper than the LTI version because it does not include Alpha/Beta. For an even swap you will need to gift one(1) skin along with the package.

This conversion is monetarily free, all it costs is time. If you wish to leave a tip please do so in the form of skins so that we continue funding the best space game ever.



Please PM me with any questions. I will try to reply asap, usually within a few hours.

To ViRGE or any other mod: If this post violates any policies or you do not feel comfortable with it, please remove it.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I bought an OG hornet waaaaaaaay back at the beginning. Should I upgrade to a different Hornet or a different ship or add a another ship? I haven't really been following this game too heavily in detail except for major info releases. What's the dif between the Ghost and Spectre for example?
 

SithSolo1

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Thanks for the thank yous!

The Ghost is just the kitted out ship. You can either buy it whole or as an upgrade for your current hornet. The Specter is a full package that contains the Ghost, the game, and anything else included in the digital hornet package.

Any of the current hornet load outs can be obtained later in the game but if you want them starting out or with LTI go head an get an upgrade package. I personally like the Tracker upgrade but a lot of people are going for the Ghost as a ninja loot and run vessel and Super-hornet as a kitted out two-man gunship.
 
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Fallen Kell

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As partially noted above, the standard hornet can essentially be fitted, converting it to the Ghost or the Tracker using in game parts/upgrades. It CAN NOT change into the Super Hornet with in game parts/pieces, as it is a different ship frame (twin cockpit, larger max power plant size).

Also, the twin cockpit really isn't the same as some of the other 2+ person ships. Only one person is needed to fly and fully operate the Super Hornet (same with the Caterpillar). You can, however, use that second seat for carrying another person into battle with you, which might be useful in a fleet operation where that second person can then focus on simply coordinating the attack, analyzing sensor data, calculating risk/threat assessment/calling primary targets. These are all things that will be more difficult for someone actively flying in heated combat to do since they will be focusing on trying to avoid fire, missiles, asteroids, as well as trying to position themselves to shoot back...

I would say upgrade to the Super Hornet now if you have the money for LTI. Base loadout on the Super Hornet is pretty good (especially weapons wise). You really don't need to spend anything upgrading the Super Hornet to make it a very deadly fighter. Which means you don't need to spend anything at all ever again on that ship (aside from fuel and docking fees). If it gets blown up, you get a replacement with the same base loadout again, which as I said, you don't need to change, which means you don't need to pickup extra insurance. It essentially becomes the backbone of any dangerous fleet operations in the game (good enough to do the job as well as no risk to the pilot using it).
 
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IEC

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As Fallen Kell said, Super Hornet is the way to go if you plan to join in on the warfare metagame, or simply want to fly risky - because you'll always be adequately equipped for combat even if you're blown up, and because of its superior upgrade potential due to the bigger power plant.

Since I plan to fly for BWC and I enjoy dogfighting, buying the Super Hornet upgrade was a no-brainer for me.
 

Caecus Veritas

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looks like all the ships are coming back for sale before end of Nov 26. this excludes the scythe ship and idris i think.

hmmmm... starfarer is looking more and more like the must-have ship. free resource gathering (gas) = early jump on credit hoarding. more credit means more ships faster..

not sure how profitable it would be, but with LTI, basic gas gathering may provide good source of steady income for ages. coupled with its huge volume, LTI and "free" cost of gas resource, it could be reasoned that you could even forego hiring NPC or escorts.. getting blown up in stock configuration might be an acceptable risk depending on how often you get pirated and how profitable each run is.
 

Fallen Kell

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Yeah I was hoping we would see that. Even though I am an original backer, I missed quite a few of the special ships. I would LOVE to have a Scythe as well as the Starfarer (for precicely the reasons you mentioned on the Starfarer). Don't think I care about the Idris that much. I mean, it really isn't designed to be played solo, which is probably the way I will be for most of the game.
 

AHamick

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When does the sale start?

Also, I heard the super hornet will only be available for a few more days. Would I he able to buy the super hornet upgrade now and pick up say a colonel package before lti runs out and apply the super hornet pack then? Or must I own the hornet before buying the upgrade?
 

IEC

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When does the sale start?

Also, I heard the super hornet will only be available for a few more days. Would I he able to buy the super hornet upgrade now and pick up say a colonel package before lti runs out and apply the super hornet pack then? Or must I own the hornet before buying the upgrade?

Sale date unknown, but based on what they've said a sale before LTI expires (Nov 26) is highly likely. The Super Hornet is only available through Nov 2nd.

Buying an upgrade now and picking up a Digital Colonel LTI package after is fine. Note that the super hornet will not show in the hangar until they allow upgrades to apply in a future patch. At some point you will be allowed to apply the upgrade package to a ship permanently.
 

QuantumPion

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I kind of want to buy these expensive cool ships because I feel left out but just can't bring myself to. You guys keep talking about all these gameplay strategies you are going to use what ship for but it is all imaginary! Who knows how the actual game will play out, how hard it will be to get the ships in-game, how useful the different traits and options will be, etc.
 

irishScott

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I kind of want to buy these expensive cool ships because I feel left out but just can't bring myself to. You guys keep talking about all these gameplay strategies you are going to use what ship for but it is all imaginary! Who knows how the actual game will play out, how hard it will be to get the ships in-game, how useful the different traits and options will be, etc.

This. I think everyone is putting the super-hornet on a little too high a pedestal in terms of dog-fighting, where maneuverability will be more a factor. Personally I see the super-hornet as closer to an A-10 than an F-16, but as you say nothing's really been nailed down yet in terms of specs, so I could be wrong.

However, the current hubub should breed plenty of overconfident hornet pilots.
 

Fallen Kell

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This. I think everyone is putting the super-hornet on a little too high a pedestal in terms of dog-fighting, where maneuverability will be more a factor. Personally I see the super-hornet as closer to an A-10 than an F-16, but as you say nothing's really been nailed down yet in terms of specs, so I could be wrong.

However, the current hubub should breed plenty of overconfident hornet pilots.

It is all based on specs. The Super Hornet while only being slightly heavier than the normal Hornet has the ability to use a TR4 sized engine, vs the TR3 engines used in the 300i and TR2 in the Aurora. It also has more maneuvering thrusters more and/or larger ones than the Aurora and 300i. The only ships that are more maneuverable are the P-52, Scythe, and possibly the 350-R, but the P-52 and 350-R are both lacking tremendously in armament and defenses. The Scythe doesn't have as much laser weapons, but packs a decent punch (pun intended) with its physical blade attack. However, it is supposed to be minimally shielded and armored (the trade off for the maneuverability it has).
 
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AHamick

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I'm also guessing there will be other variants of the hornet that might be better combat ships in the final game. The big reason for these pledges is the LTI
 

Fallen Kell

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I'm also guessing there will be other variants of the hornet that might be better combat ships in the final game. The big reason for these pledges is the LTI

Possibly. We know there is a military variant. But the only way to get the military version is the black market (at this time) and there will not be standard insurance for such a ship and replacing it will not be like the replacements for the ones with LTI (as you will need to find a dealer that has one in stock and go there for purchase/pickup).
 

SithSolo1

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It is all based on specs. The Super Hornet while only being slightly heavier than the normal Hornet has the ability to use a TR4 sized engine, vs the TR3 engines used in the 300i and TR2 in the Aurora. It also has more maneuvering thrusters more and/or larger ones than the Aurora and 300i. The only ships that are more maneuverable are the P-52, Scythe, and possibly the 350-R, but the P-52 and 350-R are both lacking tremendously in armament and defenses. The Scythe doesn't have as much laser weapons, but packs a decent punch (pun intended) with its physical blade attack. However, it is supposed to be minimally shielded and armored (the trade off for the maneuverability it has).

Weight of the base Hornet is 21K Kg. Its been confirmed by Ben that the weight of the Super is wrong in the brochure and that its actually going to be more massive, as you stated, and have a reduced range. Lets say 23K Kg.

Until we know how much more thrust each subsequent level of thruster produces all of this is pretty much guess work. Take the 300i variants for example: All have 12x TR1 thrusters. The Super-Hornet has 8x TR2.

Lets say a TR1 maneuvering thruster has 1 unit of output. If a TR 2 has just 20% more thrust, 1.2 units, then all 300i variants will out maneuver the Super-Hornet. At 50% more thrust, 1.5 units, the Super-hornet and most 300i variants will be fairly close with the 350R ahead of the pack. Finally with a TR2 producing 100% more thrust than a TR1, 2 units, only the 350R will only be slightly more maneuverable.


In addition to the ships you listed, the M50 should be able to out maneuver and out run the Super. That said the M50 is made of glass so a few stray hit may take it out.

Rob has confirmed that the Cutlass has two main engines though output is still up it air. IF the 16 TR2 maneuvering thrusters and weight remain steady then it should be able to out maneuver a Super-hornet but depending on main engine class may not be able to out run it.
 

Fallen Kell

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Initially they had been saying that the outputs of the TR2 would be double the TR1, and the TR3 3x the TR1, etc., etc... That still remains to be seen as you said, but it does make sense once you factor in mass and inertia of the larger ships.

As for the reduced range, I believe that depends entirely on the engine you have placed in it. Stock, it is using a high output TR3 engine. Replacing it with a different engine will get you increased range, but may affect acceleration. It is all a tradeoff.

There was a chart posted one time that explained this, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

And sorry about the "P-52", I was trying to remember the name of the ship inside the Connie... Still don't remember it.
 

Caecus Veritas

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it has been said that there will be other dedicated dog fighters. the ships we see now aren't everything. furthermore, i believe - based on what's been said - that they will continue to offer better and better ships as the game develops (at what intervals nobody knows). it's not a static universe, so new and upgraded/updated ships will continually be introduced.

i think the best ships to get initially using real money are the ones that would make you credit at the fastest rate. fighters and explorers could potentially get outdated in the long run. however, a pure transport will always retain it's value better than other ships since its biggest value is in cargo space. so the starfarer may be the best ship to spend real money on.

i've gotten the constellation and SH because i wanted to get into the fray ASAP. in addition, i'm planning on getting the starfarer to make sure i can build up my war chest (minimize grinding). if i had to choose one ship, i'd probably go with the starfarer.

if you're wondering why i'm willing to chuck up so much money, it's because time is more valuable to me. i don't have the time to grind through the aurora, then get other ships, grind more, etc. it's said that constellation would take about 60 hours of game play to get. i simply don't have the time for it.

aside from that, well, i'm willing to risk my money to get this game made and having the ability to fully enjoy it from day 1. MWO happened to be a bad spend but oh well. you win some, you lose some.
 
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