I think somebody fixed this issue Maybe we should all thank SLU Aequitas?
Can somebody explain to me ,what is deal with this video?
Cute. Don't worry, still here, just nothing to respond to until now
This was good idea. I checked few times the main star citizen thread, but it was nothing interesting for me there. All the time pictures of new ships and modifications. I checked that thread maximum 20 times from the time it was started. But drama around development is interesting for me.
Maybe it's not an issue about running with backers money, but more issue making business where cash flow keeps coming and coming...
How rich CR is only his accountant knows...Depends of luxury expenses, bad or good investments and so on... But i think this is more the case of greed. I'll get back to this later...
We've had moderators specify that the SC thread shouldn't have the "drama" (not sure what you mean by that?) of development attached. There are several SC backers--myself included--who are more than willing to discuss issues with the development, things CIG or CR could have done better, etc. What I (and most of us) take exception to is obvious trolling. To make it more specific, for me, that would be calling out members repeatedly (there's a rule against that) and making unsubstantiated claims or claims that have been thoroughly debunked.
For the record, DS is an absolutely horrible source who has a proven track record of being horribly wrong about development (in general, not just Star Citizen).
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With regards to CR's personal finances, I think it's relatively safe to say he was pretty well off (multiple assets, liquidity to start development on his own back in 2012 to show something for the Kickstarter, etc). But what would I know, right?
That's what bothers me. There's no specifics. You can blind follow like we know who or you can only guess and try to figure it out...
Can you specify what you mean? I mean, there's a metric ton of development info and behind the scenes info out there.
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/
One day i send to my friend link to cig ship costs. He wonted to play sc but as soon he look at prices he sad: f*** that,they are not normal...
I see this complaint a lot. First of all, basic pledge is ~$45-60, normal cost. You don't need to start in an Idris-P. However, there is a niche group of people and orgs who
want to back the project and will put up these pledges. I don't see why others want to police those of us who have backed more.
For the record (again), my pledge consists of an original Colonel package ($125) + whatever the concept pledge for the Sabre was.
You still using that presentation for logo? Damn, how the hell you will make nice tshirts for cute girls to promote clan?
It's the epitome of good taste, I'm sure everyone would want to wear a tshirt emblazoned with our
balls logo.
You are the only one complaining about title of the thread. The rest of us are more concerned about info in this thread.
Not really, it detracts from the purpose of this thread. If we're talking whether DSmart is right (see above link, he's an absolutely horrible track record), then this thread really doesn't serve a purpose.
If we want to talk general development issues, I think this thread serves a purpose, and could indeed foster some good conversations that really couldn't/shouldn't have been held in the other thread.
I was quite nice surprised that there are few star citizens who can talk like adults about issues of sc. I can't expect all are like that.
It's also nice when people want to discuss the development and bring up substantiated complaints/criticisms (great example is the Kotaku article). Sadly, not everyone is like that.
So my question is this: Is Cris Roberst greedy little b**** According to imdb he is so busy, that i was wondering my self how the hell he finds time to make a game on such a big scale. Or is he planning to make this game 20 years?
source:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0730932/
This list has already been covered, but you probably could have answered it yourself with a 5 minute check on youtube. The introductory sentence for this wasn't inflammatory at all either
I honestly don't care how much CR is worth. It's not the person so much as the company for me. As long as he's not embezzling millions to line his own pockets, what he's earned before this is his business. If he is somehow embezzling (which I really don't think is the case) then that's a different story. Until someone proves beyond doubt that's the case, I don't get the personal attacks on him. He's not the best leader, and does appear to cause drama for his staff with his feature creep (I know I'll piss someone off by using that phrase, but come on.. that's what it is) but those are all his actions.. not the man himself. If anything, I'd like to see this thread kept clean on personal attacks on him and DS.
Completely reasonable. For the record, if this was really a giant ponzi scheme or embezzlement racket, it'll go down in history as one of the crappiest examples of either. CR is embezzling millions by creating multiple game studios across the world to hire hundreds of people, paying them all as well as various contractors including famous actors like Mark Hamill, just to provide us regular updates and playable alpha slices.
I get it's crowdfunding, but even then there's only so much one has a right to know. I'm not sure people should get a complete accounting of the money in any case, as all that does it open the doors for someone like DS to say they misspent because they didn't know about some dealer in Hong Kong. Having said that, there is a major question on why we're still not seeing anything close to a game with all the tiem and money they've spent. I can see why people want to have a better understanding on how their pledges are spent.
Honestly, I'm not sure how beneficial releasing financials would be. Firstly, most people aren't able to properly interpret a full set of financials spanning multiple countries with different reporting requirements. The intercompany arrangements would be fun enough alone (FYI, this is my full-time job, CPA on a large multi-tiered PIE with operations around the world). Secondly, it wouldn't stop those like DS with an agenda from purposely misinterpreting information to spin for his narrative.
I think ultimately, most backers (and those watching this project), just want the product delivered. Everyone has varying levels of patience, and it reflects in most people's reactions. I think it's perfectly fair for people to be frustrated that they can't play right now, if not entirely realistic.
It's what people are willing to spend.. I can't get my head around people willing to do it, but it's not my money. I've seen guys spend thousands on collectibles, so I cant' say I'm surprised. I personally would at least like to have a clue when the ship I've paid hundreds for will be playable, but that's me.
So much this. I can't personally fathom why people will put hundreds/thousands down for various hobbies, but if they have the money, more power to them. Additionally, we all benefit from the donor "whales" who have backed the project to larger amounts (the same we do with subscribers [recurring monthly pledges of $10/$20] who subsidize all of the behind-the-scenes videos).
One thing I can not ever take away from them.. they found a way to keep funding coming in. It's impressive how they've continued to milk money. I'm not sure anyone else could have done it. I'm still not too sure how they've done it. If anything, this should be a wake up call to the industry that space shooters need to be a thing again... and yes, I know this is soooooo much more. I'm just saying.. space sim games are in short supply, which is one of the major reasons I think they've made as much as they have.
It's the exact reason why I backed (and also backed Elite Dangerous $150 and $50 to Everspace). I grew up on space sims like Independence Wars, X-wing, Freespace, Starlancer and Freelancer (and Battletech, but PG bent me over on that one :'(). Everyone said this genre was dead, so when I saw SC, I was more than happy to back its resurgence.
I've never asked anyone else to, but I was happy to use my money.
What I seriously have problems understanding is why some people,
with no personal money in this project, are acting like CR and SC backers personally insulted their mothers?
Seriously.. you keep saying anyone that says anything negative is a troll. Maybe not everyone is as educated on the subject as you, it doesn't make them a troll.. If this is all you're going to do when someone posts, maybe you should take the advice you give in the SC game thread and leave.
I agree, this isn't a constructive approach. However, there have definitely been some troll posts in here. I don't think post count is indicative or a reason to dismiss someone, let the actual post do that.
More later <3