Star explodes halfway across universe

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The explosion of a star halfway across the universe was so huge it set a record for the most distant object that could be seen on Earth by the naked eye.

A star 7.5 billion light years away exploded, giving off the brightest gamma-ray burst afterglow ever seen.

The aging star, in a previously unknown galaxy, exploded in a gamma ray burst 7.5 billion light years away, its light finally reaching Earth early Wednesday.

The gamma rays were detected by NASA's Swift satellite at 2:12 a.m. "We'd never seen one before so bright and at such a distance," NASA's Neil Gehrels said.

It was bright enough to be seen with the naked eye.

However, NASA has no reports that any skywatchers spotted the burst, which lasted less than an hour.

Telescopic measurements show that the burst -- which occurred when the universe was about half its current age -- was bright enough to be seen without a telescope.

"Someone would have had to run out and look at it with a naked eye, but didn't," said Gehrels, chief of NASA's astroparticles physics lab at Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

The starburst would have appeared as bright as some of the stars in the handle of the Little Dipper constellation, said Penn State University astronomer David Burrows. How it looked wasn't remarkable, but the distance traveled was.
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The 7.5 billion light years away far eclipses the previous naked eye record of 2.5 million light years. One light year is 5.9 trillion miles.

"This is roughly halfway to the edge of the universe," Burrows said.

Before it exploded, the star was about 40 times bigger than our sun. The explosion vaporized any planet nearby, Gehrels said.

From Wikipedia:

Research has been conducted to investigate the consequences of Earth being hit by a beam of gamma rays from a nearby (about 500 light years) gamma ray burst. This is motivated by the efforts to explain mass extinctions on Earth and estimate the probability of extraterrestrial life. A gamma ray burst at 6000 light years would result in mass extinction; a 1000 light year distant burst would be equivalent to a 100,000 megaton nuclear explosion. A burst 100 light years away would blow away the atmosphere, create tidal waves, and start to melt the surface of the earth. There is a one in a million chance that there could be a gamma ray burst as near as the earth's closest star, Alpha Centauri, in the lifetime of the earth. Such a burst, at 4.3 light years distant, would effectively incinerate the earth.
 

JohnCU

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wow, that's insane, happened 7.5 billion years ago and we're just now seeing it. :thumbsup:
 

Jeff7

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Before it exploded, the star was about 40 times bigger than our sun. The explosion vaporized any planet nearby, Gehrels said.
Damn.

That's crazy too that the burst lasted about an hour. So much stuff on a stellar scale takes thousands or millions of years. That had to be a hell of an explosion.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: pulse8
How do they know it's half way?

universe is 14~15 billion years old

I understand how the age of the universe relates to the distance and how we're just seeing this now, but since the universe is 14 to 15 billion years old it's 14 to 15 billion light years in distance?
 

TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: pulse8
How do they know it's half way?

THIS universe is 14~15 billion years old

corrected.

There are some newer ones in different dimensions that i'd like to visit one day.

I do wonder how old the megaverse is.... thats probably infinite.

 

Pocatello

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Millions of voices cried out in terror, and then silence.
So this happened before our Sun was formed?
 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: pulse8
How do they know it's half way?

THIS universe is 14~15 billion years old

corrected.

There are some newer ones in different dimensions that i'd like to visit one day.

I do wonder how old the megaverse is.... thats probably infinite.

there could also be infinite universes. there's even one in which you did not reply to this thread.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Pocatello
Millions of voices cried out in terror, and then silence.
So this happened before our Sun was formed?
Yup. The time I have in mind for the age of the solar system is 4.6 billion years.


Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
corrected.

There are some newer ones in different dimensions that i'd like to visit one day.

I do wonder how old the megaverse is.... thats probably infinite.

there could also be infinite universes. there's even one in which you did not reply to this thread.
My idea of the "mutliverse" is a region that sparkles like our night sky, except that the sparkles are new bubbles, new eruptions of spacetime forming all over the place.
 

sportage

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Just goes to show you, space alien kids shouldnt play with neutron ray matches.
I hope their parents ground them good.

BTW, eyeryone on the side of the earth facing the blast was fried.
Good movie idea???
 
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Originally posted by: sportage
Just goes to show you, space alien kids shouldnt play with neutron ray matches.
I hope their parents ground them good.

BTW, eyeryone on the side of the earth facing the blast was fried.
Good movie idea???

Well, in an Episode of Stargate Atlantis, they saved Atlantis from a Solar Flare that would have wiped out their planet by taking their ship with uber shields, and blocking the flare.
 

AbAbber2k

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I wonder what the probability would be of a gamma ray burst giving me super powers instead of melting my face off.

Probably not too great. But I can always hope.
 

shortylickens

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So in theory:

If we blast off our rockets in the direction of this event, move towards and then past the speed of light, we should go back through time and arrive near this incident and be able to observe it up close and live?


Or am I totally wrong?
 
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
So in theory:

If we blast off our rockets in the direction of this event, move towards and then past the speed of light, we should go back through time and arrive near this incident and be able to observe it up close and live?


Or am I totally wrong?

One problem, you cant go faster than the speed of light. And no. It already happened.
 

sandorski

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I've been watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos recently an he mentions a similar event that occurred a thousand(ish) years back. It was recorder by the Mayans(IIRC) or other Civilization. According to records it was actually brighter than the Moon.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I've been watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos recently an he mentions a similar event that occurred a thousand(ish) years back. It was recorder by the Mayans(IIRC) or other Civilization. According to records it was actually brighter than the Moon.
Probably followed by a big spike in sacrifices.

"Oh no! A bright thing in the sky! Quick, we can make it go away by killing more people! Don't ask me how it works!! JUST KILL SOMEONE, NOW!!!!"
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I've been watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos recently an he mentions a similar event that occurred a thousand(ish) years back. It was recorder by the Mayans(IIRC) or other Civilization. According to records it was actually brighter than the Moon.

Ya, that was the big bang. It was just being observed by them, even though it had happened 14 billion years prior... when the universe was formed....



This stuff is crazy shit. I make shit up and it sounds like the stuff I've read. Then I can't tell if I made it up or not. Insane!
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: sandorski
I've been watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos recently an he mentions a similar event that occurred a thousand(ish) years back. It was recorder by the Mayans(IIRC) or other Civilization. According to records it was actually brighter than the Moon.

Ya, that was the big bang. It was just being observed by them, even though it had happened 14 billion years prior... when the universe was formed....



This stuff is crazy shit. I make shit up and it sounds like the stuff I've read. Then I can't tell if I made it up or not. Insane!

no there was a supernova in the 11th (?) century, one of the major astronomical events in history and documented in nearly all civilization.
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: JohnCU
Originally posted by: pulse8
How do they know it's half way?

universe is 14~15 billion years old

I understand how the age of the universe relates to the distance and how we're just seeing this now, but since the universe is 14 to 15 billion years old it's 14 to 15 billion light years in distance?

this is actually not quite as simple as it seems. Very simply put, the 'observable' universe is approximately 14-15 billion years old. And this is what people usually mean when they refer to 'the universe.' There are tons of details with expansion factors, the acceleration and deceleration of expansion, inflationary stage of expansion, etc. but these are complicated. The extrapolated age of the Universe is confirmed separately by our observations of globular clusters that hang out around our galaxy. Some are around 13 billion years old or so. There was a time when our estimated age of the Universe was actually less than the age of objects observed within it!

The problem is what is meant by the 'observable' universe. Well, there's a lot of info regarding this as well. To put it simply, early on after the big bang, photons scattered all over, and we had a hot, opaque universe. This opaque cloud of photons and energy expanded as some sort of shell, which is still moving outwards today. We can't see past this shell, since it acts as an opaque wall. Its what causes the well-known cosmic microwave background radiation that comes from all corners of the Universe.

Technically the Universe is "infinite" in a way. Read up on Olber's Paradox for some pretty cool insight into the implications of this. The reason our entire sky isn't lit up with stars is not because the Universe is finite-- but rather because the universe simply isn't old enough yet for the light from the furthest stars to reach Earth.

These questions seem trivial but they are actually extremely relevant. Shouldv't we be concerned about the nature of the Universe? Think about the HUGE implications of whether our Universe is infinite in size, and infinite in age, or infinite in age, but not in size? Or finite in both age and size?
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: shortylickens
So in theory:

If we blast off our rockets in the direction of this event, move towards and then past the speed of light, we should go back through time and arrive near this incident and be able to observe it up close and live?


Or am I totally wrong?

Not exactly. You can never "go back in time." But you are actually very right in another way. As you look at further objects in space, you are actually looking further back in time, since the light you see was emitted in the past.
 
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