Star Trek (2009) - OFFICIAL REVIEW THREAD

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Did they change the tagline "To go where no one has gone before" rather than "To go where no man has gone before" ? That's what everyone in my group thought but I couldn't be sure.

If that's case, boo to them, especially after the movie made allthe female crew wear skirts and boots

They used "where no one has gone before". Change of the times I guess. 30 years from now it'll be....

"To go where no straight, gay, transsexual, transgender, Caucasian, Hispanic, African American, Asian, Native American, Conservative, Liberal, Protestant, Catholic, Democrat, Republican, differently-abled, person, pet, spouse, or significant other has gone before."

So the Muslims have already been there?

Right??

I thought that it was changed to no one by the time of TNG?

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: alrocky

One question for ya'll though - why was the Nimoy Spock sitting in a cave waiting for young Kirk to show up instead of going to the Federation Outpost and trying to stop the destruction of Vulcan? I must be off on my timeline of the movie or something but I thought he was "stranded" there so he could witness the destruction of his planet? So couldn't he jog over to the outpost, hop a shuttle, and try to do something?

He may not know or remember that the Outpost was there. This timeline was altered 25 years ago.

Enjoyed the new Enterprise crew but didn't care for whacking Sylar's mum and the whole bloody planet. The mind meld voice over back story sounded un-Spock-like. At least it wasn't to long.

You are forgetting that Nero had to wait 25 years for Spock to arrive. He could well have just dropped him off when he arrived in the system.

However, for being on a different planet, why was vulcan visible and huge??

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Did they change the tagline "To go where no one has gone before" rather than "To go where no man has gone before" ? That's what everyone in my group thought but I couldn't be sure.

If that's case, boo to them, especially after the movie made allthe female crew wear skirts and boots

They used "where no one has gone before". Change of the times I guess. 30 years from now it'll be....

"To go where no straight, gay, transsexual, transgender, Caucasian, Hispanic, African American, Asian, Native American, Conservative, Liberal, Protestant, Catholic, Democrat, Republican, differently-abled, person, pet, spouse, or significant other has gone before."

So the Muslims have already been there?

Right??

I thought that it was changed to no one by the time of TNG?

Yes, and there was hullabaloo about it back then.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Koing
I really liked it. Well worth my £7.95 to see it.

Koing

ouch.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
^ I believe it was Spock who told Kirk about the outpost in the movie, although he heard about it from the escape pod too.

Let's face it, there were a TON of plot holes that distract from what was otherwise a very good movie.

Yup if Kirk had told Spock it would have made sense. Spock had just been beamed down (say a few hours ago), hadn't worked out where he was on the planet. Kirk arrives and bumps into him by pure luck. Win.

Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: Jadow
Do you think the Spock will use his knowledge of 24th century technology to rapidly advance the 23rd century 100 years?

Also, the Nokia ringtone was funny, but totally lame.

He already did.... he gave scotty the formula for Warp Drive Beaming...


woah! my first time warp

And apparently the technology to beam through shields.

Why would the enterprise have its shields up during the warp between Vulcan and Earth?

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: JEDI
so w/nimoy's spock living in the past, that means advanced weapons for the federation?

transwarp drive
quantum torps
Galaxy class warships next year
Enterprise-E in 5years instead of 125years?
conquer of klingon and romulan empires
etc
etc

Unless spock was the engineer on those projects, or has advanced knowledge, i doubt it.

Spock is a Vulcan with a really good memory

Originally posted by: stag3
1. the survivors knew kirk rammed the ship into the mining ship, maybe they assumed he destroyed/disabled it, but yea they still should have mentioned something when they were back @ starfleet

2. i think they relied on the starbase and starships

3. (Black holes) i would think so

1) They did mention it, Pike did his Starfleet dissertation on it.

3) No. Unless you throw a bunch more mass at the system turning something into a black hole will have zero effect on orbits. In fact they didn't even need the f'in drill. They could just have created a black hole on the surface, and it would still have consumed the planet...

but then we wouldn't have a daring orbit dive (ps. how did they survive reentry? and how did they breathe in the upper atmosphere without habitat suits?

Originally posted by: dr150

I had to turn my brain off on that one. Pike didn't announce to anybody who was #1 and #2.

Sulu backed him up.

Edit: I am available for continuity checks for a very reasonable fee

 

[spunkz]

who else thought of wing commander prophecy when they saw the opening to the movie?

specifically this scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL3Fi5reXBw#t=02m54s

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

I didn't. I thought those girls looked trashy.

My suspicions were confirmed when Uhura went up to Spock after knowing him all of 2 minutes and tried to make out with him on the elevator.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

I didn't. I thought those girls looked trashy.

My suspicions were confirmed when Uhura went up to Spock after knowing him all of 2 minutes and tried to make out with him on the elevator.

Did you miss the earlier scene about Spock leaving her off the Enterprise to avoid the appearance of favoritism? They have/had a relationship.

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Did they change the tagline "To go where no one has gone before" rather than "To go where no man has gone before" ? That's what everyone in my group thought but I couldn't be sure.

If that's case, boo to them, especially after the movie made allthe female crew wear skirts and boots

They used "where no one has gone before". Change of the times I guess. 30 years from now it'll be....

"To go where no straight, gay, transsexual, transgender, Caucasian, Hispanic, African American, Asian, Native American, Conservative, Liberal, Protestant, Catholic, Democrat, Republican, differently-abled, person, pet, spouse, or significant other has gone before."

So the Muslims have already been there?

Right??

I thought that it was changed to no one by the time of TNG?

Yes, and there was hullabaloo about it back then.

My point was that this is not a new change and most have gotten over the hullabaloo.

 

[MajorMullet]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

I didn't. I thought those girls looked trashy.

My suspicions were confirmed when Uhura went up to Spock after knowing him all of 2 minutes and tried to make out with him on the elevator.

Uhuru knew Spock - I think he was one of her instructors. It was established in the scene after the Federation receives the distress call from Vulcan and the cadets are all going to their assigned ships.

She goes to Spock asks him if she wasn't the best in her class and asks why she wasn't assigned to the Enterprise. Spock says "I was trying to avoid the appearance of favoritism."

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: jalaram
My point was that this is not a new change and most have gotten over the hullabaloo.

Yeah, that was over twenty years ago, you'd think people would have gotten over it by now

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: MajorMullet

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

I didn't. I thought those girls looked trashy.

My suspicions were confirmed when Uhura went up to Spock after knowing him all of 2 minutes and tried to make out with him on the elevator.

Uhuru knew Spock - I think he was one of her instructors. It was established in the scene after the Federation receives the distress call from Vulcan and the cadets are all going to their assigned ships.

She goes to Spock asks him if she wasn't the best in her class and asks why she wasn't assigned to the Enterprise. Spock says "I was trying to avoid the appearance of favoritism."

Doesn't address that she looks trashy.

If your points hold true than she was just another skanky student fishing to be the best in all the wrong ways, crossing the student / instructor barrier.

 

[mgnwfy]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
For anyone mentioning the series Enterprise, that is not considered to be part of regular Star Trek continuity.

I beg to differ... i actually liked parts of the series.

Which has what to do with the creators of Enterprise saying it was not part of regular Star Trek continuity?

i've never read that.. please enlighten me to where you have read that (i'm being serious.. i'd like to read that commentary)

Might be mentioned on Wikipedia page, will search later when not on my phone. It was on the main ST site, in magazine and newspaper articles discussing the show before it came out, et cetera. Will post what I find in this thread later.

Regardless, both Archer and Porthos are mentioned in the movie. Not to mention it was also in in the timeline thingy of the StarTrek Experience (can't wait til its all finish in downtown LV).

 

[lokiju]

I saw it Sunday and thought it was a fun action movie.

I'm looking forward to more of them.

 

[jonks]

I'd have given it an 8/10 but they cut Diora Baird out of the flick so I'm taking away 1 point.

 

[vshah]

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
B. Maybe a B+

+ All the characters were cast perfectly. Special props to Simon Pegg for nailing Scotty.

+ I like that rather than try to come up with a million explanations for why people look, behave, or simple are the way they are, Abrams decided to literally hit the reset button. Feel free to endlessly re-watch Star Trek III if it bothers you that things have changed.

- What the fuck was with the Romulan ship? Why does a mining vessel have advanced weaponry and unbeatable shielding? Yeah it's from the future, but why does it have ANY weapons?

Torpedoes - breaking up rocks and stuff. Those probably weren't anywhere close to weapons-grade in that future time period.

Shields - protection from said rocks. 100+ years of advancement would have even the most basic shields way ahead of the best of the past.

My only complaint was the speed of it.

It was about the same warp speed of the supposedly fastest ship of the vulcans and they were from the same time frame.

Also where did the ability come from where they are able to transport people light years away?

I never saw anything about that in the tv shows.

they tackled transport @ warp speed in an episode of Voyager, forget which one though

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

I didn't. I thought those girls looked trashy.

My suspicions were confirmed when Uhura went up to Spock after knowing him all of 2 minutes and tried to make out with him on the elevator.

/facepalm

They have been dating for quite some time. Were you asleep?

 

[Jadow]

I didn't like that it took like 3 min to get to Vulcan from Earth. Warp speed is fast, but it kinda makes the universe "easy" if you're 3 min from anywhere, the universe feels too small then. At least make it 3 hours.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: vshah

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
B. Maybe a B+

+ All the characters were cast perfectly. Special props to Simon Pegg for nailing Scotty.

+ I like that rather than try to come up with a million explanations for why people look, behave, or simple are the way they are, Abrams decided to literally hit the reset button. Feel free to endlessly re-watch Star Trek III if it bothers you that things have changed.

- What the fuck was with the Romulan ship? Why does a mining vessel have advanced weaponry and unbeatable shielding? Yeah it's from the future, but why does it have ANY weapons?

Torpedoes - breaking up rocks and stuff. Those probably weren't anywhere close to weapons-grade in that future time period.

Shields - protection from said rocks. 100+ years of advancement would have even the most basic shields way ahead of the best of the past.

My only complaint was the speed of it.

It was about the same warp speed of the supposedly fastest ship of the vulcans and they were from the same time frame.

Also where did the ability come from where they are able to transport people light years away?

I never saw anything about that in the tv shows.

they tackled transport @ warp speed in an episode of Voyager, forget which one though

I missed this one...

If the Vulcans had any sense Spock's ship would have a very high sustainable warp factor, as this would have the biggest impact on racing across the galaxy to save it...

Thus the mining ship may have been similar impulse speed to Spocks puddlejumper, the reasoning being that he deployed the red matter at impulse, not at warp.

There are a couple of other things to factor in as well. Spock would have been preoccupied by the nova blast, so it is entirely possible that the mining ship intercepted him by plotting a converging course without Spock noticing/being concerned. Then when they were in range they opened up on Spock and he had to dodge, reducing his apparent speed.

The other thing is that the mining ship entered the black hole first, despite pursuing Spock. This suggests that Spock's ship was able to "outrun" gravity longer than the miner = faster ship.

 

[uhohs]

I haven't seen the movie, but read the 4 issues of the tie-in comic.
the romulan mining vessel was upgraded/rebuilt with a bunch of hybrid romulan/borg tech. in the comics the ship singlehandedly takes out a whole klingon fleet/battlegroup. it should be a tier or two above that romulan ship in nemesis imho.

hm, so this movie creates a alternate timeline/universe? sigh.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Jadow
I didn't like that it took like 3 min to get to Vulcan from Earth. Warp speed is fast, but it kinda makes the universe "easy" if you're 3 min from anywhere, the universe feels too small then. At least make it 3 hours.

Some time may have passed while Kirk was sedated. I got the impression that the "minor" sedative was anything but...

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: MajorMullet

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Did we see the same movie? Before he "inserts" Uhura walks in.

You have to realize that every straight guy in existence continued that scene in his mind with Uhura joining in

Fixed.

fixt

I didn't. I thought those girls looked trashy.

My suspicions were confirmed when Uhura went up to Spock after knowing him all of 2 minutes and tried to make out with him on the elevator.

Uhuru knew Spock - I think he was one of her instructors. It was established in the scene after the Federation receives the distress call from Vulcan and the cadets are all going to their assigned ships.

She goes to Spock asks him if she wasn't the best in her class and asks why she wasn't assigned to the Enterprise. Spock says "I was trying to avoid the appearance of favoritism."

Doesn't address that she looks trashy.

If your points hold true than she was just another skanky student fishing to be the best in all the wrong ways, crossing the student / instructor barrier.

Or maybe they just didn't show their entire relationship and you have no way of knowing whether they'd been together very long or not.

As for Vulcan being close to Earth, Memory-Alpha says the planet is 16 light years away. No idea how long that takes at maximum warp though. EDIT: At 1000 c, it would take nearly 6 days.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

The multiple warp scales make it difficult :thumbsdown:

Back to what I said earlier....

16 LY in 3 minutes = 320 LY per hour x 24 h x 365 days = 2.8 million LY per year or 2.8 million c.

TOS scale its about 12 days to Vulcan at warp 8 (which the Constitution likely couldn't maintain for that length of time, cannon suggests warp 6 cruise with burst speeds of warp 8-9).

TNG scale puts it at about 6 days at warp 8.

 

[zerocool84]

I enjoyed the movie but it's impossible to give it higher than a 7/10 with how messed up everything was.