Star Trek (2009) - OFFICIAL REVIEW THREAD

[Eug]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Eug
Canon? Meh. I just hope they hire writers next time that can come up with a real plot.

So, the reviewers with rotten ratings were right?

Yup, and the reviewers with the fresh ratings were also right.

You'll note that a large chunk of the reviewers from both groups are calling the plot gobbledygook. Is just that the positive reviewers don't care, because they like the actors and their roles, and they like the action sequences.

eg. Entertainment Weekly gave it a 91/100 review, yet says: There's a time-tripping plot that, frankly, could have been trippier (not to mention a bit more, you know, logical). Maybe that's because it's basically an excuse to shoehorn Leonard Nimoy into the picture.

 

[ProfJohn]

Could one of the people who hate the whole time warp thing please explain how you would have re-booted the series.

Seems that they had two choices.
1. The time warp alternate reality movie
or
2. A complete reboot that totally ignores everyone and everything from the old time line (similar to Batman Begins)

Now I think option 2 would have been a better choice because it would have allowed for a better plot and a better enemy since part of the rushed feel of this movie was the need to explain the backstory and time warp thing.


But there is one bright spot. Khan is now alive and well on Ceti Alpha VI and they can now remake the Wrath of Khan with all the new and shinny special effects

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: guyver01

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

So you really think JJA threw away the entire Star Trek timeline as we knew it?

<SPOILER ALERT>

Yes... i do.

gah... why cant we just have it for what it is? its a movie... all the timelines and plots dont have to line up from star trek TMP to XI to all 5 shows, etc...

Rick berman screwed all u guys up by publishing encyclopedias and timelines and tech manuals...


I already read Kobyashi Maru... and kirk didnt have an apple, nor did he blow up 5 klingon ships with 5 torpedoes... but you dont see me complaining do ya?

trying to preserve universe continuity blows ass, and is the one real downside of star trek.

um... get your head out your ass and stop being a 'militant fanboi defender' ...

nowhere was i complaining about the movie. i actually liked it.
its a reboot of the series... plain and simple. and he does it by making it an 'alternate reality' reboot... and they didnt use the time travel reset button to put eveything right at the end, as Berman and Braga were known to do.

all my post did was point out WHY i think the original series continuity was wiped out.

as for your point... Rick Berman didnt screw anyone up by publishing encyclopedias, etc.. Paramount did... but that's all part of establishing CANON.

Imagine if M Night Shamalyan decided to do "Star Wars" .. and instead of Darth Vader being a bad guy, he was the leader of the rebellion, and Leah was the evil emperor.. of course people would be pissed.... there has been decades of established canon... and it was wiped out in one blow.

So you have to understand where the fans come from.. there has been decades of established canon and continuity ... and this movie wiped it all out.. of course there's gonna be discussion.

no one is a bigger fan, nor a longer fan of star trek than me (except for DSN which was atrocious)... but I think that establishing CANON was a mistake for the franchise... it never should have happened...Star Wars has the same problem.

Established CANON + extended universe + etc = FAIL

 

[Mokmo418]

Is it worth watching in IMAX ?

 

[xeno2060]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: Eug
Canon? Meh. I just hope they hire writers next time that can come up with a real plot.

So, the reviewers with rotten ratings were right?

Yup, and the reviewers with the fresh ratings were also right.

You'll note that a large chunk of the reviewers from both groups are calling the plot gobbledygook. Is just that the positive reviewers don't care, because they like the actors and their roles, and they like the action sequences.

eg. Entertainment Weekly gave it a 91/100 review, yet says: There's a time-tripping plot that, frankly, could have been trippier (not to mention a bit more, you know, logical). Maybe that's because it's basically an excuse to shoehorn Leonard Nimoy into the picture.

Let Doctor Who Explain!

 

[ProfJohn]

Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey...Stuff <--- that is awesome. And I thought it was complicated.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Could one of the people who hate the whole time warp thing please explain how you would have re-booted the series.

Seems that they had two choices.
1. The time warp alternate reality movie
or
2. A complete reboot that totally ignores everyone and everything from the old time line (similar to Batman Begins)

Now I think option 2 would have been a better choice because it would have allowed for a better plot and a better enemy since part of the rushed feel of this movie was the need to explain the backstory and time warp thing.


But there is one bright spot. Khan is now alive and well on Ceti Alpha VI and they can now remake the Wrath of Khan with all the new and shinny special effects

I dunno bout remake, but more Khan would be badass.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Could one of the people who hate the whole time warp thing please explain how you would have re-booted the series.

Seems that they had two choices.
1. The time warp alternate reality movie
or
2. A complete reboot that totally ignores everyone and everything from the old time line (similar to Batman Begins)

Now I think option 2 would have been a better choice because it would have allowed for a better plot and a better enemy since part of the rushed feel of this movie was the need to explain the backstory and time warp thing.

I actually didn't mind that they did the time warp per se. However, I mind that they did it in a way that was kinda hokey, with a one-note villain.

Even more important though to the hokeyness were the multiple immensely bizarre coincidences on the ice planet.

Like I said, I thought the characters, acting, and action sequences were good, but I was hoping they'd be tied together better with a coherent plot.

Anyways, I'll see it again eventually... Maybe the second time around I'll more easily be able to ignore the nonsense plot (since I already know it's nonsense), and just be able to enjoy everything else.

 

[lupi]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Le...-Delivers-1005899.aspx

 

[Synomenon]

I was kind of surprised to see "Industrial Light & Magic - A Lucasfilm Company" listed in the ending credits.

 

[Agentbolt]

B. Maybe a B+

+ All the characters were cast perfectly. Special props to Simon Pegg for nailing Scotty.

+ I like that rather than try to come up with a million explanations for why people look, behave, or simple are the way they are, Abrams decided to literally hit the reset button. Feel free to endlessly re-watch Star Trek III if it bothers you that things have changed.

- What the fuck was with the Romulan ship? Why does a mining vessel have advanced weaponry and unbeatable shielding? Yeah it's from the future, but why does it have ANY weapons?

- On that note, the space battles kind of sucked. They suffered from the same hyper kinetic, you-can't-see-what-the-hell-is-happening shaky camerawork that seems completely entrenched at this point even though I can't think of a single person that admits to enjoying the style.

 

[Newbian]

The one thing missing out of this movie was....

TRIBBLES!!!

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Newbian
The one thing missing out of this movie was....

TRIBBLES!!!

Gerrold was busy working with 3D Realms on the Chtorr series.

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
B. Maybe a B+

+ All the characters were cast perfectly. Special props to Simon Pegg for nailing Scotty.

+ I like that rather than try to come up with a million explanations for why people look, behave, or simple are the way they are, Abrams decided to literally hit the reset button. Feel free to endlessly re-watch Star Trek III if it bothers you that things have changed.

- What the fuck was with the Romulan ship? Why does a mining vessel have advanced weaponry and unbeatable shielding? Yeah it's from the future, but why does it have ANY weapons?

Torpedoes - breaking up rocks and stuff. Those probably weren't anywhere close to weapons-grade in that future time period.

Shields - protection from said rocks. 100+ years of advancement would have even the most basic shields way ahead of the best of the past.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
B. Maybe a B+

+ All the characters were cast perfectly. Special props to Simon Pegg for nailing Scotty.

+ I like that rather than try to come up with a million explanations for why people look, behave, or simple are the way they are, Abrams decided to literally hit the reset button. Feel free to endlessly re-watch Star Trek III if it bothers you that things have changed.

- What the fuck was with the Romulan ship? Why does a mining vessel have advanced weaponry and unbeatable shielding? Yeah it's from the future, but why does it have ANY weapons?

Torpedoes - breaking up rocks and stuff. Those probably weren't anywhere close to weapons-grade in that future time period.

Shields - protection from said rocks. 100+ years of advancement would have even the most basic shields way ahead of the best of the past.

My only complaint was the speed of it.

It was about the same warp speed of the supposedly fastest ship of the vulcans and they were from the same time frame.

Also where did the ability come from where they are able to transport people light years away?

I never saw anything about that in the tv shows.

 

[Dacalo]

Watched it last night. It was alright, I would give it a C+.

I can't pinpoint it, but I feel like the movie is missing something. I felt empty when the credits rolled.

 

[ProfJohn]

I think the problem is suspension of disbelief.

I am willing to believe that:
Aliens and humans will live and work together on a space ship
That said space ship can travel faster than the speed of light
That you can use a particle transporter to send someone from a planet onto that ship

But I am NOT willing to believe that:
A mining vessel of any kind will look like the one in that movie.
That said mining vessel will have an interior that looks like some fantasy land H. R. Giger version of a space ship.
That a super nova could threaten the galaxy or even destroy a planet in an adjacent system.
That Spock could watch the destruction of Vulcan for a near by planet, even one in the same system as Vulcan. If Mars blew up today the only thing I would notice is one less red dot in the sky tonight.

I think all these little illogical events add up till your mind says 'whatever'

 

[FlashG]

OK, I must have missed it but did a red shirt guy buy the farm?

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: FlashG
OK, I must have missed it but did a red shirt guy buy the farm?

Wasn't the guy that dies on the skydiving part wearing a red outfit?

 

[jaybittle]

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: FlashG
OK, I must have missed it but did a red shirt guy buy the farm?

Wasn't the guy that dies on the skydiving part wearing a red outfit?

Yep. A true homage to all Star Trek fans.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Originally posted by: jaybittle

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: FlashG
OK, I must have missed it but did a red shirt guy buy the farm?

Wasn't the guy that dies on the skydiving part wearing a red outfit?

Yep. A true homage to all Star Trek fans.

I don't get it, does someone in a red shirt die in all of the Star Trek movies or something?

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: jaybittle
A true homage to all Star Trek fans.

Speak for yourself. I felt it to be predictable cornball that detracted from the movie.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: jaybittle
A true homage to all Star Trek fans.

Speak for yourself. I felt it to be predictable cornball that detracted from the movie.

Are you saying star trek movies are usually unpredictable for you?

 

[todpod]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Could one of the people who hate the whole time warp thing please explain how you would have re-booted the series.

Seems that they had two choices.
1. The time warp alternate reality movie
or
2. A complete reboot that totally ignores everyone and everything from the old time line (similar to Batman Begins)

Now I think option 2 would have been a better choice because it would have allowed for a better plot and a better enemy since part of the rushed feel of this movie was the need to explain the backstory and time warp thing.


But there is one bright spot. Khan is now alive and well on Ceti Alpha VI and they can now remake the Wrath of Khan with all the new and shinny special effects

I dunno bout remake, but more Khan would be badass.

Keep in mind, Khan is still on the Botnay Bay (sp?) The ship he was asleep on, not on Ceti Alpha VI. So the could remake the Space Seed when they find Khan.
Btw I really liked the movie

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
I don't get it, does someone in a red shirt die in all of the Star Trek movies or something?

It's actually an artifact of the cheap tv format, where you can't afford to have any of the main characters die off, so you introduce a temporary just for the purpose of having an expendable victim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(character)