Star Trek Discovery premieres tonight

[JEDI]

Harry Mudd!!

hm.. cursing F bomb.
whats next, full frontal nudity of the star and/or her roommate?

plot hole #1:
where was the capt's shuttle when it was captured?
if in federation space, how did the Bird of Prey get there undetected?
if not in fed space, then why use a shuttle to ferry a capt around? why didnt the Discovery ferry him?

heck, how the hell did a bird of prey know where it was?

#2) escape scene:
thought Klingons were much stronger and sturdier than humans?
wtf?

#3) How did Harry Mudd know about the capt's previous ship?

#4) Capt Lorca self destructed his previous ship to kill everyone on board to avoid capture, yet he escaped in a pod?!?!
WTF?
would love more back story on this!!!


Liking the Orville more mainly because the plot holes in that show can be used as parody

 

[Jon-T]

A few thoughts.

I don't get why they blame Michael Burnham for the war. I don't see how her actions contributed to it. She mutinied and was responsible for a raid that led to the death of her captain and the Klingon responsible for the war. But I don't see how she started it. It would have started with or without her. Even if Captain Georgiou had listened to her and opened fire first, I believe the outcome would have been the same. A battle would have resulted, and then a war.

Her mission was to flyby the unknown object and look at it. Instead she landed on the Klingon ship and when a Klingon showed up "hey what are you doing on my ship?" she killed him. She drew first blood. That's where the she started it blame comes from.

 

[Sunbird]

Wish Mudd had some of his merchandise around (as per TOS S1 hehe)

 

[Malogeek]

Her mission was to flyby the unknown object and look at it. Instead she landed on the Klingon ship and when a Klingon showed up "hey what are you doing on my ship?" she killed him. She drew first blood. That's where the she started it blame comes from.

It was a setup by the Klingons though, the war was going to happen irrespective of her actions is the point. The Klingon drew the Federation starship there knowing they would investigate the anomaly and drew them into the object then attacked her. Yes she drew "first blood" but that's the stupid part of the whole encounter, none of the actions by the Federation would have changed anything. It was just a lame plot device to initiate the series and create a ridiculous persona for Michael Burnham.

 

[Elixer]

#4) Capt Lorca self destructed his previous ship to kill everyone on board to avoid capture, yet he escaped in a pod?!?!
WTF?
would love more back story on this!!!

That made no sense whatsoever.
He wanted to save them the pain of being tortured by the Klingons, but, as a Captain, he could handle it!?
Then of course, he gets command of a new ship!

There is no excuse for such terrible writing, there is nothing they could say that would make sense, even if they were infected with something.

 

[Malogeek]

It's the new JJ Abrams Trek era. It's all about action and plot devices, it doesn't have to make sense.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

It was a setup by the Klingons though, the war was going to happen irrespective of her actions is the point. The Klingon drew the Federation starship there knowing they would investigate the anomaly and drew them into the object then attacked her. Yes she drew "first blood" but that's the stupid part of the whole encounter, none of the actions by the Federation would have changed anything. It was just a lame plot device to initiate the series and create a ridiculous persona for Michael Burnham.

The start of this conflict is all sorts of FUBAR, but I think it actually mirrors real-life conflicts which are often built out of a series of dumb misunderstandings and dumb decisions.

- The Klingons drew the Shenzhen in initially by purposefully damaging the relay, so the conflict was going to start no matter what.

- Burnham did something dumb and killed the Klingon, which made it even MORE likely the conflict would go forward.

- Had Burnham succeeded in firing upon the Klingons first ala the "Vulcan Hello," it would have been EVEN MORE likely for the conflict to escalate and she would have *really* been the cause for the war.

- Burnham's mutiny failed, but she's still a villain due to having attempted mutiny. Somewhere in their reality the idea that the conflict was going to happen no matter what got lost, with the blame placed on Burnham. It seems illogical that despite the fact that her mutiny failed almost immediately without a single shot fired, people still consider her the initiator of the conflict, but i guess that's what people are, illogical.

- And Burnham killing T'Kuvma instead of capturing him didn't help things.
Basically it's all FUBAR, but that's how the real world spins out of control as well.

 

[ViRGE]

Renewed for season 2.

http://www.startrek.com/article/discovery-renewed-for-second-season

 

[sdifox]

Wtfbbq they found enough suckers?

 

[cbrunny]

"You like a tv show that I don't like. You're a lesser human being"

Move along. There's enough hatred in this world over things that "matter" - tv does not matter.

 

[Ancalagon44]

The start of this conflict is all sorts of FUBAR, but I think it actually mirrors real-life conflicts which are often built out of a series of dumb misunderstandings and dumb decisions.

- The Klingons drew the Shenzhen in initially by purposefully damaging the relay, so the conflict was going to start no matter what.

- Burnham did something dumb and killed the Klingon, which made it even MORE likely the conflict would go forward.

- Had Burnham succeeded in firing upon the Klingons first ala the "Vulcan Hello," it would have been EVEN MORE likely for the conflict to escalate and she would have *really* been the cause for the war.

- Burnham's mutiny failed, but she's still a villain due to having attempted mutiny. Somewhere in their reality the idea that the conflict was going to happen no matter what got lost, with the blame placed on Burnham. It seems illogical that despite the fact that her mutiny failed almost immediately without a single shot fired, people still consider her the initiator of the conflict, but i guess that's what people are, illogical.

- And Burnham killing T'Kuvma instead of capturing him didn't help things.
Basically it's all FUBAR, but that's how the real world spins out of control as well.

I personally see that as ham fisted writing, because logically it does not flow that Burnham would be blamed for the war. Yes she is guilty of mutiny and maybe the death of her Captain (through bad advice), but not the war.

But, the writers need us to think that Burnham is hated for starting the war, so it is forced. And it feels forced to me.

 

[sdifox]

"You like a tv show that I don't like. You're a lesser human being"

Move along. There's enough hatred in this world over things that "matter" - tv does not matter.

No it is about the fragmented streaming service model.

 

[cbrunny]

No it is about the fragmented streaming service model.

BFD.

"You subscribe to a service that I think is stupid. You are a lesser human being."

C'mon, man.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Luckily it is available on Netflix in territories outside the USA.

 

[dud]

What is funny is, CBS says over 200% subscribed to their portal, but, pretty much all of those are the free trials.

Regardless of the reviews, ratings typically make or break a show's future. Anyone have any updated numbers on how many peeps are actually paying to watch this show?

 

[ultimatebob]

No it is about the fragmented streaming service model.

Yeah... I won't watch this show because signing up for CBS All Access sets a bad president for other broadcast networks. I don't want them suddenly taking their new and popular shows and putting them behind a subscription paywall in order to wrangle a few more bucks out of my wallet.

 

[Thebobo]

Firefly is god damn wonderful shit. Since they only made one season you should probably jump on it right away. Afterwards watch the movie Serenity.

Do NOT watch Serenity first!

I did And I don't really like Firefly. It ruined it. But I love Serenity.

 

[Elixer]

Regardless of the reviews, ratings typically make or break a show's future. Anyone have any updated numbers on how many peeps are actually paying to watch this show?

CBS won't release the actual numbers, so no real good way to find out.
It has already been renewed, so, it could be CBS will try it for a few seasons to test out the waters of their service, even if the ratings aren't higher than it would have been on network TV.

 

[Sonikku]

I'm going to take the contriversial stance of saying it's growing on me, despite some things being dumb. I like the Captain. He's completely different from all the others. Not really a "good" guy, but you understand his motives. I just fear they're going to get rid of him so burnham can be captain.

I personally see that as ham fisted writing, because logically it does not flow that Burnham would be blamed for the war. Yes she is guilty of mutiny and maybe the death of her Captain (through bad advice), but not the war.

But, the writers need us to think that Burnham is hated for starting the war, so it is forced. And it feels forced to me.

I think Starfleet knows she isn't responsible for the war, as indicated by the admiral when she questions the captain bringing her aboard. But chalking up the war to her could be a useful excuse by the government hoping to avoid the perception that they themselves were incompetent. (Which seemed to be the case, what with the admiral that got rammed in the pilot)

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I was going to watch this but it's not broadcast. Ok though it's going to be on Netflix- nope not in the US.

I don't care if I ever see it. I'm not paying CBS 10 bucks a month.

 

[Sonikku]

I was going to watch this but it's not broadcast. Ok though it's going to be on Netflix- nope not in the US.

I don't care if I ever see it. I'm not paying CBS 10 bucks a month.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

I'm going to take the contriversial stance of saying it's growing on me, despite some things being dumb. I like the Captain. He's completely different from all the others. Not really a "good" guy, but you understand his motives. I just fear they're going to get rid of him so burnham can be captain.


I think Starfleet knows she isn't responsible for the war, as indicated by the admiral when she questions the captain bringing her aboard. But chalking up the war to her could be a useful excuse by the government hoping to avoid the perception that they themselves were incompetent. (Which seemed to be the case, what with the admiral that got rammed in the pilot)

Yes, Starfleet and the captain know she didn't start the war, but they do know her as the mutineer. So in Starfleet's mind, she's infamous for mutiny, which makes sense since it's basically a naval culture (captain goes down with the ship, yadda yadda). That's about it. Some people in Starfleet can empathise with it (the captain), but some can't (the general Starfleet populace).

 

[crashtech]

Ten bucks is a little steep, but I like picking content providers that I want instead of the bad old days of cable and satellite companies shoving packages of shit I don't want down my throat. Granted, CBS really has only the one offering that's worth a damn, and if they don't improve their library, I will bail. One example of poor availability that comes to mind is that they only offer the current season of Big Bang Theory. Wtf? But in my mind, since I'm not paying for cable or satellite anymore, $5-10 here and there to watch shows that I like is no big deal, really.

 

[sdifox]

BFD.

"You subscribe to a service that I think is stupid. You are a lesser human being."

C'mon, man.

Go take your balloon ride :awe:

 

[JEDIYoda]

What`s funny and pathetic is that all you who criticize the plot and say it`s full of holes hav no mclue what entertainment is.....
Who says there can`t be holes in the plot...hell there are holes in real life and life keeps moving on........pulls up a chair and grabs another bag of popcorn.....