Star Trek Discovery premieres tonight

[Fritzo]

Damn, this show went from "meh," to "it's OK," to "too dark," to "Ooohhhh...I SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING! HOLY SHIT!" all in one season!

 

[PeterScott]

Recent episodes are pretty damn good!

 

[JEDI]

Meh & sloppy writing in this week's episode.

Went from Capt Burnham turning in lorca to the empress to the empress arresting her for treason.
Then Burnham easily spills the beans that she's from another dimension.

Also, Tyler- is he a Klingon that changed his body to human and superimposed Tyler's personally onto it?

 

[child of wonder]

Meh & sloppy writing in this week's episode.

Went from Capt Burnham turning in lorca to the empress to the empress arresting her for treason.
Then Burnham easily spills the beans that she's from another dimension.

Also, Tyler- is he a Klingon that changed his body to human and superimposed Tyler's personally onto it?

She was about to be executed. Revealing she was from another universe was about all she could do.

That's how I took it. The albino Klingon had his body surgically transformed into a human and then placed the Tyler personality over top his.

 

[crashtech]

The revelation about Lorca was pretty stunning. Might explain some things. Also, it looks like the spore drive is destined for failure, which will satisfy canon, I think.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Wow what a twist! Did NOT see that coming.

 

[JEDI]

Wow what a twist! Did NOT see that coming.

It'll be great if dsc main plotline is the Terran universe for most of it's run

 

[Newbian]

Spoiler

I am going to miss Lorca as his character as a starfleet captain made the show more for me then Burnham sadly.

 

[Alpha One Seven]

Damn, this show went from "meh," to "it's OK," to "too dark," to "Ooohhhh...I SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING! HOLY SHIT!" all in one season!

We never got past the first response. lol

 

[Puffnstuff]

It's also on Netflix everywhere except for the US (released weekly as it airs, a-la HBO Go treating currently running series).

You can also get it on amazon if you have prime with the all access subscription.

 

[JEDI]

hm.. 3rd plot twist and it's only the 1st season.
my fear is that they shot their wad too soon and season 2 will have nothing good.

and the plot holes:
why did Lorca stab Commander Landry when she was fighting Burnam?? Landry was on his side.
How did Terran Stannis gain control of the flagship's computer system?

and the cheesy tech jargon to survive the explosion.

 

[Puffnstuff]

and the plot holes:
why did Lorca stab Commander Landry when she was fighting Burnam?? Landry was on his side.
How did Terran Stannis gain control of the flagship's computer system?

and the cheesy tech jargon to survive the explosion.

Also why did the Federation chart update show the ship they'd lost when in the next episode preview the Admiral says they've lost 20% of their controlled space? I'm glad that Michelle Yeoh is back again. Also what happened to the real Lorca? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Fritzo]

Spoiler

I am going to miss Lorca as his character as a starfleet captain made the show more for me then Burnham sadly.

There's still ways to reverse all of that.

 

[crashtech]

I've been entertained. it will be interesting to see if the show starts getting more Trek-like now that they're back in the 'normal' universe. Somehow I doubt it, but I hope they eventually, you know, get to explore and discover some stuff between fights with the Klingons.

 

[ImpulsE69]

hm.. 3rd plot twist and it's only the 1st season.
my fear is that they shot their wad too soon and season 2 will have nothing good.

and the plot holes:
why did Lorca stab Commander Landry when she was fighting Burnam?? Landry was on his side.
How did Terran Stannis gain control of the flagship's computer system?

and the cheesy tech jargon to survive the explosion.

Lorca stabbed her because he wanted Burnham alive and unharmed (he was in love with her, if you hadn't figured that out).

Also...meh..I would rather they stuck with the alt universe line than going back to the Klingon war, which I have no interest in. I'm assuming that part isn't over - and some alternate timeline or something will come about.

 

[JEDI]

Also what happened to the real Lorca? Inquiring minds want to know.

I can see future story lines of Federation Lorca and Terran Burham.

and can stamis spore jump w/o a problem now?
ie: Discovery fires volley at enemy ship, spore jump, rinse/repeat without ill effects
(assuming spore reserves have regen'd)

 

[Puffnstuff]

(assuming spore reserves have regen'd)

All of the spore canisters in engineering were showing red rings so they were empty and the farm was dead so who knows. Maybe Stamis has some magic pixie dust to rejuvenate them.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I hope the scripts get better. Right now it is just Bold and the beautiful on a spaceship with a tiny riny bit of tech to keep the techies happy.

 

[Fritzo]

I hope the scripts get better. Right now it is just Bold and the beautiful on a spaceship with a tiny riny bit of tech to keep the techies happy.

That's....a pretty unique take there...

 

[William Gaatjes]

That's....a pretty unique take there...

It started out good with the mycelium and the tardigrade and although i like plot twists a lot, these are just love plot twists all the time.
A huge gap in the story is this :
The evil Terran emperor who kills anybody in an instant (which usually means having a very rigid, distrusting and stobburn personality) accepts Burnham just like that.
It does not fit, Terrans are always on edge yet all of them let their guard down so easily. And i have to believe that these Terrans are capable of destroying or at least surpressing all other
species in the galaxy....

Yeah right...
And the parallel universes is going to make for some lazy story writing since everything is possible.


As a sidenote, i just came aware that Paul Stamets is an actual real life mycologist that studies fungi.

 

[Charmonium]

I love this show. It's pretty rare that I say that. I think the entire story arc has been plotted perfectly. There are probably some plot holes that I've missed but nothing has jumped out at me or distracted me in any way. I had a really hard time with the whole mycellium plot device but once I just accepted that for what it was, a device, I think the story hangs together incredibly well.

I really like that they took a character like Lorca, devoted most of a season to developing him and made it clear that they intended to kill him from the very beginning. In this series it's not the red shirts you need to worry about, it's the captains. No plot armor. And it's not just killing him for the sake of doing it. It was the logical climax to what they clearly had planned from the start.

I also really like that they're expanding on some of the plot lines from TOS and they're doing it so well. The Terran Empire episode from TOS is a classic and is one that deserved a second look.

I understand the issue about all of the love interests. BSG was the same way except I don't think it has nearly as much redeeming value on the scifi side. Besides, if you think about it, Burnham is just a modern version of Kirk - the guy who never met an alien he wouldn't boink.

 

[cbrunny]

This is a good series except that the spore drive is beyond stupid. It needs to go away and never be talked about again, just like our friend Archer.

 

[PeterScott]

I really like that they took a character like Lorca, devoted most of a season to developing him and made it clear that they intended to kill him from the very beginning. In this series it's not the red shirts you need to worry about, it's the captains. No plot armor. And it's not just killing him for the sake of doing it. It was the logical climax to what they clearly had planned from the start.

How was it clear they intended to kill him? It certainly wasn't clear to me.

What I love about Lorca, was that it made all the Trek nerds angry that a Starfleet captain could be portrayed as a badass killer that didn't fit into the trek idealism archetype.

But now it turns out, that all along, he was never a Starfleet captain, and him being a badass killer makes perfect Canon Trek, given his origin, and looking back all the clues were there. Nicely done.

There are a lot of flaws in the writing but overall, Discovery is a fun ride, and I can't wait to see what happens next.

 

[Charmonium]

How was it clear they intended to kill him? It certainly wasn't clear to me.

It's not like there weren't alternative scenarios. He could have been taken prisoner by Phillipa. He could have escaped to mount a rebellion. He could have been transported into the network like Stamets. But having him executed after his deception and betrayal was the cleanest, most fitting resolution.

It would have been too easy to go in another direction. You have all of this screen time invested in a character, you don't really want to throw that away. But Lorca needed killing. Otherwise he morphs into a comic book villain that never really dies but just slinks away until you need him again.

 

[PeterScott]

It's not like there weren't alternative scenarios. He could have been taken prisoner by Phillipa. ..

You said it was clear they intended to kill him "from the very beginning".

I took that to mean the beginning of the series, not just this most recent episode.