Star Trek Discovery premieres tonight

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Skyclad1uhm1

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Yeah, Burnham really screwed it for everyone. They beamed in with phasers on stun (blue color on the top of the phasers) and she set it to red before shooting T'Kuvma. I can only imagine it was because she thought that he was about to kill the captain, not knowing that the captain was already dead.

Wouldn't surprise me if they revive the story where everyone thinks the captain is dead but one person, and that person then starts a rescue mission (of course if will be succesful then, and the person will be reenstated due to having rescued the captain). Can't remember which one, but I'm pretty sure they had this before. Was it TNG?
 

cbrunny

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Wouldn't surprise me if they revive the story where everyone thinks the captain is dead but one person, and that person then starts a rescue mission (of course if will be succesful then, and the person will be reenstated due to having rescued the captain). Can't remember which one, but I'm pretty sure they had this before. Was it TNG?
TNG did one where Picard was involved in a transporter accident and was beamed as pure energy into space or something like that. Somebody... Beverly?.... could see him or something and had to convince everyone he wasn't dead. Season 1 or 2 or 3, early on.
 

cbrunny

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Did anyone watch 'After Trek' afterwards? I watched about 20 minutes. Sounds like the first two episodes are the prologue to the season, and the season picks up at some point down the road - likely when Burnham gets out of jail or is needed on Discovery, or something like that. I'm guessing in the time between episode 2 and 3, a good chunk of time will have passed and the conflict with the Klingons will have escalated.
 

ImpulsE69

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The previews make it look like this show is more about 'her' than the ship or crew or even the war. If so, it is a different approach.
 

Malogeek

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Looks like instead of going to jail, the captain of the Discovery gets her sent to his ship instead, something about needing her kind of resolve in his crew. She becomes part of the crew of the ship and has to deal with the animosity of the crew towards her for her crimes against her previous captain. Thus begins the actual show, which is about the Discovery and her crew, but primarily about her of course.
 

Sonikku

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Looks like instead of going to jail, the captain of the Discovery gets her sent to his ship instead, something about needing her kind of resolve in his crew. She becomes part of the crew of the ship and has to deal with the animosity of the crew towards her for her crimes against her previous captain. Thus begins the actual show, which is about the Discovery and her crew, but primarily about her of course.
How does that make any sense? She committed treason and in the eyes of starfleet, got her commanding officer killed and started a war. But some captain of another ship wants her for her "resolve" so all is forgiven? Can anyone imagine that happening in real life?

"Well you assassinated the Archduke and started a war, but I like your moxy kid, so take your old job back".
 

Jon-T

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Just chug some beer and enjoy the space battles and explosions!

Watch it like The fast and the furious or a transformers movie.
 

PeterScott

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How does that make any sense? She committed treason and in the eyes of starfleet, got her commanding officer killed and started a war. But some captain of another ship wants her for her "resolve" so all is forgiven? Can anyone imagine that happening in real life?

Actually, I think Starfleet higher ups know the score, they don't blame her with starting the war or getting her captain killed. She is charged with assault and mutiny.

Why don't we wait and see how the transition is actually handled, rather than condemning based on guesses?
 

Malogeek

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How does that make any sense? She committed treason and in the eyes of starfleet, got her commanding officer killed and started a war. But some captain of another ship wants her for her "resolve" so all is forgiven? Can anyone imagine that happening in real life?

"Well you assassinated the Archduke and started a war, but I like your moxy kid, so take your old job back".
It makes no sense. This is the Federation ffs. She was sentenced to LIFE in prison (the darkened judges in dark spooky room was just f'ing stupid as well).
 

Ketchup

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It makes no sense. This is the Federation ffs. She was sentenced to LIFE in prison (the darkened judges in dark spooky room was just f'ing stupid as well).
It makes no sense. She (Michael) was right. They don't do what she said. I bunch of people die because of it. Let's lock her up forever! It just makes me feel bad for the actors really - a lot of them did a good job getting their characters set up well in just the first two episodes - only to be made looking stupid by lazy writers. And may very well kill the show (and CBS All Access isn't helping).

Sorry. Was that too harsh?
 

PeterScott

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It makes no sense. She (Michael) was right. They don't do what she said. I bunch of people die because of it. Let's lock her up forever! It just makes me feel bad for the actors really - a lot of them did a good job getting their characters set up well in just the first two episodes - only to be made looking stupid by lazy writers. And may very well kill the show (and CBS All Access isn't helping).

She wasn't right. She made terrible assumptions and attacked her captain. Mutiny and attacking superior officer charges are totally justified.
 

Malogeek

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I don't see how her intended actions would have made any difference. The argument T'Vukma (or w/e his name was) made to the council is that the Federation don't come in peace and they want to attack the Klingons, so they should attack the Federation now. Michael's argument to the captain was that the Federation should attack the Klingons as a show of respect, because that's their way of things, all about battle. So how exactly would have the whole thing turned out different if Michael had done things her way?

The Federation (as we knew it from all the previous established shows and lore prior to JJ Abrams ruining the franchise) don't attack anyone first, they only act in self defense. Opening a dialog is always the Federation way. Michael incapacitated the captain and attempted to mutiny.

And now she's joining another crew on a starship and given an officer's role, because somehow a Starfleet captain can do that now and get away with it.
 

Ketchup

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She wasn't right. She made terrible assumptions and attacked her captain. Mutiny and attacking superior officer charges are totally justified.
True, but as we have seen with Star Trek, it's a juggle. If hers had worked, and her captain hadn't recovered more quickly then anyone else we have ever seen after receiving a Vulcan nerve pinch, she would probably be considered a hero. But that would have messed up the entire series. Like I said, bad writing.
 

PeterScott

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True, but as we have seen with Star Trek, it's a juggle. If hers had worked, and her captain hadn't recovered more quickly then anyone else we have ever seen after receiving a Vulcan nerve pinch, she would probably be considered a hero. But that would have messed up the entire series. Like I said, bad writing.

Then she would have fired first, and got everyone killed, including herself, and definitely be considered the trigger for war, posthumously.

Her "Vulcan Hello" move in this situation was moronic.
 

Ketchup

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Then she would have fired first, and got everyone killed, including herself, and definitely be considered the trigger for war, posthumously.

Her "Vulcan Hello" move in this situation was moronic.
You think? I didn't think all those other Klingon ships were there yet, and they may have been able to take out that one.
 

PeterScott

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You think? I didn't think all those other Klingon ships were there yet, and they may have been able to take out that one.

Even when there was just one ship visible, the captain said:
"I'd like to remind you, we're wildly outgunned."

That Klingon ship was some kind of major battle class ship.

On top of which, That Klingon had at least one more cloaked ship with him.

On top of that, the rest of the Klingon fleet arrived about a minute after the captain told her to stand down.

So, at best you can think that she had emotional meltdown from her family being killed by Klingons when she was a child, because her actions are basically irrational. Psychotic break.

But they never sold it well enough, so IMO it's just weak, ham-fisted writing, to quickly give us a backstory, for the series proper.
 
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Malogeek

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Indeed. They were only able to take out the huge battle ship after the battle as it's shield was down whilst it was retrieving their dead.
 

Balt

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Just watched the first two episodes tonight. It was better than I expected.

It's a shame they are making it online/pay-only, because I'm not going to pay $6/mo (or whatever it is) for one series.
 

PeterScott

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I cut them some slack during the openers, but today's episode didn't help much.

The biggest problem from last week remains, Burnham is still obnoxious.

And this episode they were trying channel cheesy horror with monster chasing them in the dark... Yay for for ST: Jump Scares.
 
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