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PeterScott

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Well, the remarks she made about the spore drive are dead on.
It does become boring , meaning the capabilities of the spore drive.
And her other remarks are also fitting. The federation is still developing so the choices made are typical.

A stopped clock is correct sometimes as well. She has a wall of text nonsense interspersed with a couple of obvious choices. It doesn't take insight to shit on the spore drive.

I have been watching and following discussions on this from the beginning, dislike of the spore drive is as close to universal agreement as humans get. Most of us who enjoy the show, just hold our noses around the spore drive stuff and hope it get's eliminated sooner rather than later.
 
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A stopped clock is correct sometimes as well. She has a wall of text nonsense interspersed with a couple of obvious choices. It doesn't take insight to shit on the spore drive.

I have been watching and following discussions on this from the beginning, dislike of the spore drive is as close to universal agreement as humans get. Most of us who enjoy the show, just hold our noses around the spore drive stuff and hope it get's eliminated sooner rather than later.

I do not dislike the spore drive. On the contrary, i liked it a lot in the beginning but now it is getting meh. What i do not like is that with every episode it becomes more powerful in what it can do. If there is a problem in the script just add a new feature to the list of capabilities of the spore drive and the mycelium network to solve it, that is how is perceived. It is too much too fast. It is fast paced. Even dead people appear in the mycelium network.
There is one thing i do not like though, the tardigrade was able to travel by using the mycelium network. It is just weird to see a human that get's two what evers stuck in his arms to do the same.
It would have been more credible if it was scientific research that in the beginning probably would go wrong a lot. Now, Stamets just get's into the chamber and is able to initiate traveling through the mycelium network and not only that, takes a whole ship with it.
What is clearly missing, if you look at the other startrek series, there would always be a sort of technical discussion started because the captain wants solutions.
It is not there anymore. It is just like the latest startrek movies.

Another example with respect to the spore drive, in deep space nine there was the defiant. That ship would shoot its way through anything and was fast. But it had also a weakness, use the weapons system for a longer period than allowed would burn the ship up. And the engines were powerful also but would tear the ship apart when going too fast.

In reality and credible sci fi , nothing is ideal.


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ImpulsE69

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I did not take that as talking to dead people at all. I took that as something in his mind or even the mycelial projecting.
 

tommo123

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a lot of the "canonical" complaints i hear are stupid quite frankly. the story's not done so how can anyone know if/how spore drive etc etc etc fits in with canon?
 

qliveur

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Arstechnica view on startrek discovery.
I kind of agree with it very much.
Do not read it if you are still watching the episodes : huge spoilers.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/02/star-trek-discovery-ive-made-a-lot-of-bad-emotional-choices/

Exert:
The Mirror Universe is one of those tropes that allows the show's writers to do pretty much anything. We've had everything from time travel and resurrection (I mean, yeah, it's a Mirror Georgiou, but basically she's back from the dead) to creepy alternate timelines (Burnham/Lorca—gross), cannibalism (sure, not technically, but c'mon), characters acting completely unlike themselves, fungus heaven, and extremely weird haircuts. It's kind of a mess.

When you've got a plot device that can make almost anything happen, it seems like your story should explode with new and interesting possibilities. But most of the time, and certainly in STISCO, the Mirror Universe has the opposite effect. That's because fascinating stories are built from equal parts structure and free play. Especially when you're in the science fiction or fantasy genres, a big part of the fun is figuring out how the rules of the world work. There's a distinct pleasure in worldbuilding that sets up limits, because that's when our heroes come up against complex challenges.

The rules of a world can be outlandish, of course. You can have a spore drive that blips all over the universe and accesses a "mycelial network" that's packed with macro tardigrades. That's fine. Problems start cropping up when literally every episode invents a new magical thing that the spore drive can do. Yep, it can travel to alternate universes. Yep, it can travel through time. Yep, it can access the spirits of the dead. At a certain point, this stops being amazing and gets, well, boring.

As I watched the last few episodes of STISCO, I realized that I'd stopped caring what happened because there were literally no stakes. People could basically come back from the dead via their Mirror versions or if the ship traveled back in time (I dread the possibility that we'll see this subplot in a future episode). Nobody had to worry about running out of spores, because Stamets could just destroy the ecosystem of a handy moon by injecting fungus colonies into its crust.

Of course, Star Trek has always had its share of magical tech and just-in-time transporter saves. But, generally, the franchise doesn't suddenly do a 180 and turn transporters into time travel devices or make replicators capable of churning out sentient goblin armies. In Voyager, for instance, one of the major technological limitations (other than the speed of the ship) was that the holographic doctor could not leave the medical bay. But over several seasons, this situation changed. First, the Doctor had a longstanding wish to move around freely. Then he got a piece of future tech that allowed him to wander the whole ship.

The fact that this change merited an entire episode of discussion—and was part of a longer character arc for the Doctor—illustrates how limitations lead to creative challenges. How boring would it have been if the Doctor had suddenly said, "Oh, I just discovered that I actually can move around the whole ship"? There would have been no struggle and no chance for us as viewers to develop sympathy for him as he worked toward his goal.

I'm not saying the characters on STISCO don't struggle. But the rules change too fast for us to feel like it takes heroic (or even ordinary) effort to overcome challenges.

Then came the reveal that so many of us had glumly predicted: Lorca is actually from the Mirror Universe. Suddenly, the murky ethical landscape of the Discovery became a simplistic black-and-white. Lorca wasn't morally conflicted; he was just evil. Stamets wasn't going crazy; he was just in touch with the Mirror Universe.

On a macro level, the Mirror Universe also had the effect of letting the Federation off the hook for all its problematic decisions. In the first half of the season, we felt a sting when Discovery's scientists were told to turn their research into weapons. We experienced Burnham's shame over starting a war that was avoidable. Saru had to swallow the Federation's orders to kill his sparkle people friends to improve the fleet's signals intelligence. Sarek, who was shaping Federation policy, nevertheless felt that humans were an inferior race.

My point is that the Federation was doing all kinds of things that would have gotten Picard's knickers in a bunch. Our beloved interspecies institution of exploration began to seem proto-fascist, at least until we saw the so-extreme-it-felt-like-parody fascism of the Mirror Universe's Terran Empire. Once we've seen Burnham eat the brain tentacles of Saru's pals while everybody on the Mirror Shenzhou murders each other to get promotions, the Federation can claim the moral high ground.
LOL, even the rainbow-hair thinks it sucks.
 

Jon-T

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Just saw the last episode of the season.

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I think the writers are higher than Zeze.
 

Puffnstuff

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Well Pike was running a non cannon Enterprise, however, I think that its time for Trek to shed those 1960's props and apply current tech to the sets. This opens the door for some story retelling.
 

JEDI

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dr who's sonic screwdriver anyone?
aka lazy writer's plot armor

season 1 was a mess.
so many plot changes, so neatly wrapped up.
hopefully Season 2 will be better.


and how did lowly T'Kuvma, with a House of misfits, create game changing tech?
namely the Cloak???
 

tommo123

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Well Pike was running a non cannon Enterprise, however, I think that its time for Trek to shed those 1960's props and apply current tech to the sets. This opens the door for some story retelling.

the inside of the old TOS was made canon (in modern times) when scotty recreated it on TNGs holodeck
 

Puffnstuff

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the inside of the old TOS was made canon (in modern times) when scotty recreated it on TNGs holodeck
True but then along came Discovery and it changed a few things. That Enterprise was all dolled up on the outside when it B rolled for us at the end.
 

NTMBK

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True but then along came Discovery and it changed a few things. That Enterprise was all dolled up on the outside when it B rolled for us at the end.

I like it, it makes it more consistent with the refit Enterprise that debuted in the films (and that they blew up in Search for Spock).
 
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I did not expect much so i was not as disappointed as i would be if i did expect a typical season grand finale.
Anyone remember the stargate series and st and how at the end of the season the last episode would reveal into an entirely new exiting time ?

The speech at the end was a bit to much, in my opinion. My food started not to agree with me.
 

ViRGE

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Star Trek Discovery season 2 trailer.


In a nutshell: vastly improved. Or at least whoever is cutting the trailers has a better idea of what makes people excited. Ongoing canon issues aside, this trailer really feels like they understand why season 1's grimdark nature didn't really work, and are trying something more traditional and upbeat for season 2.
 

JEDI

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Star Trek Discovery season 2 trailer.


In a nutshell: vastly improved. Or at least whoever is cutting the trailers has a better idea of what makes people excited. Ongoing canon issues aside, this trailer really feels like they understand why season 1's grimdark nature didn't really work, and are trying something more traditional and upbeat for season 2.
um.. what happened to the Klingon war???
 
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Star Trek Discovery season 2 trailer.


In a nutshell: vastly improved. Or at least whoever is cutting the trailers has a better idea of what makes people excited. Ongoing canon issues aside, this trailer really feels like they understand why season 1's grimdark nature didn't really work, and are trying something more traditional and upbeat for season 2.

I get the : " This video is not available" message.
Is it a regional thing or is it removed ?
 

ViRGE

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um.. what happened to the Klingon war???
It was resolved at the end of season 1. It's not going to be extended into season 2. (Not that it was handled well to begin with).

Wait Kirk? What happened to the original plot line?
Not Kirk. Pike!

I get the : " This video is not available" message.
Is it a regional thing or is it removed ?
Yes, it is a regional thing. Due to the split broadcast rights, CBS has the trailer rights for North America, and then Netflix has them for the rest of the world. It is every bit as stupid as it sounds.

Anyhow, try this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtwU2rJYMu0
 
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Yes, it is a regional thing. Due to the split broadcast rights, CBS has the trailer rights for North America, and then Netflix has them for the rest of the world. It is every bit as stupid as it sounds.

Anyhow, try this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtwU2rJYMu0

Ah, thank you. It looks promising. I am in dire need of a series once i finished killjoy season 2. I might view startrek from the beginning again.
Netflix original series....
At first when i just had Netflix two years ago i thought Netflix was the producer behind all these series. But now i know a lot better.
 

Newbian

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I get the : " This video is not available" message.
Is it a regional thing or is it removed ?
Must be regional.

Cbs is very picky with this show because they must protect their "cbs" only streaming service that people only care about for this one show.
 
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