Star Trek Into Darkness: 86% at RT.com (Post reviews here!)

[KDOG]

I just got back from seeing. I liked it. I think some people just can't break bonds from past flicks.

 

[Sonikku]

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"Wait, did khan really even DO anything"? Of course he did stuff, but none of it felt important to me, so it didn't make much of an impression.

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You don't think Kahn killing Pike meant anything? The man was Kirks mentor. He was to James T what Obi-wan was to Luke and he's not getting Tribble'd back to life.

The sad thing was that the cast was contracted for an eigth season of TNG and Paramount pulled the plug in order to make TNG movies.

I guess All Good Things...

 

[Fritzo]

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You don't think Kahn killing Pike meant anything? The man was Kirks mentor. He was to James T what Obi-wan was to Luke and he's not getting Tribble'd back to life.

I guess All Good Things...

BTW- I think in the next movie Kirk should inexplicably start growing hair all over his body from that procedure

 

[zinfamous]

Heh, I'm from Texas, we're not all the same

Oh, I know--mostly my point, though I did not express it

 

[EliteRetard]

My favorite idiocy was:

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Resurrecting a 300 year-old man to design weapons and ships and then the lame reason behind having him do it. I'm sorry, but that was preposterous and extremely lazy writing.

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But then the whole reasoning behind having Khan's comrades inside the torpedoes falls apart.

I think the explanation works, but no one will win an Oscar for it. Remember, they can't get too detailed or confusing with the plot of the movie or the mouth breathers won't get it.

Though I enjoyed it,this one left me feeling kind of frustrated and unfulfilled in a hard to describe manner. I felt like there was something wrong with the pacing of the movie. As we got to the midpoint I was thinking "how are they going to get through all the stuff they need to get through in time"? The answer was that they just didn't. Khan never became a real character for me. I really had a sense of who he was in previous episodes/movies, but here he felt really flat. He was no longer the incredibly dangerous arch nemesis of Kirk that I felt like I kind of knew, but just a guy in the movie.

The movie didn't have the slowly ratcheting tension that clues you in on where you are story wise, but rather kept tension and action at a medium-high level throughout. Not that I don't like action, but there was no time for the setup for each "stage" of the movie in between action set pieces. Even though the movie is quite long, the ending hit me like a surprising slap in the face. The whole movie was a great big whiz-bang action extravaganza that just falls off a cliff and dies in place of an ending. As the credits began to roll I was thinking "Wait, did khan really even DO anything"? Of course he did stuff, but none of it felt important to me, so it didn't make much of an impression. The main problem there was the lack of Khan as a fully fleshed character, I think.

I liked the callbacks to the previous star treks, even though I felt that they had to wedge them in and jump up and down on top of them to shoehorn them into movie.

All in all I'd give it a 6.5/10.

These are just some of the reasons this movie sucked. Put them all together and it was just terrible. Yeah lets resurrect a 300 year old bad-ass to build us some highly advanced shit for our time. Well hold his buddies hostage and then let him run around freely with magic explosives and military aircraft. There's no chance that he would want to free his buddies even though that's what were trying to use to motivate him to help us.

But if we don't have that then the reason for putting people in torpedoes falls apart?! WAT?! That's some of the dumbest shit ever. Why the fuck were people in torpedoes and how could they have functioned when they were full to the brim with the equipment needed to keep them frozen? And since khan said he was the one who put his people in them clearly he had access to his buddies. So why the fuck did he blow up shit and try to kill the general? "Because he said he would do naughty things to them and I felt so scared and insecure that I had to try to kill him so he wouldn't hurt them" Even though he had weapons and ships and access to his people and could have simply taken them and escaped?

I cant think of any reason people in torpedoes makes any sense and I cant think of any reason resurrecting a 300 year old dude to make advanced future weapons makes any sense either. And no explanation of how these immortal super bad ass guys were invented/created 300 years ago and then captured/frozen? Instead half the movie is stupid horseshit like running from indians (why the hell were they there? what were they doing? If all they needed to do was stop a volcano?) "I love you spock! I wont let a volcano blow you up!". And then the stupid sick child crap? Seriously? And the majic blood potion thing (I got more to bitch about that too) That entire lame ass stupid shit could have all been done off screen to save us lots of time for more important aspects of the movie.

And what the fuck was the point? Lets take away his ship to make him look stupid or foolish or something and then give it back to him 5 minutes later? So many vastly better way to handle that...but again was there any reason or point at all, did it really even need to be done? If it really was vital in any way at all they failed massively at it because nobody noticed or cared about it. If it was that vital they could have started the movie off with him off the ship and just had the explanation at the bar or something. Almost anything would have been better than what the chose to do.

And we could have skipped the entire stupid brain dead sick child garbage. Instead of the most predictable lamest dumb shit ever they could have started the movie off with a bang (blowing up the library building thing). We sit down and suddenly BOOM IN YOUR FACE! We would be like what the heck was that? Then we could relate some to the rest of the characters in the movie going what the hell just happened? In the grand scheme of this story that entire explosion thing didn't matter....wasting so much time on it was pointless and stupid and ultimately hurt the rest of the movie. They could have made it vastly more interesting and much shorter. Again save time for the more important aspects of the movie (like building up a proper story with the bad guy). The stupid kid and his dad didn't matter either. And the magic potion blood shit is just so ridiculous it should never have been in the story.

And if the doc can just inject this magic blood into anything and cure anything and then just happens to easily "synthesize a potion" from it as he says at the end of the movie, something like that could easily support the whole study for super soldier type scenario better than make futuristic weapons idea. But I think having a this magic potion cure all in the movie is just massively stupid. Now they don't even need khans blood to cure everything.

As SlitheryDee pointed out there was very little plot or character development because of all the time wasted on stupid shit. Khan was a stupid pussy that did nothing and the big fancy ship had sudden erectile dysfunction...it can just pop in from warp blow its load all over the little ship and then suddenly its big old rod needs to "have glow lights in progression" and then it suddenly craps out. WTF was that stupid shit? And nothing operates without the warp core...except the shields somehow. Which did nothing anyway. If the engines, weapons, transporters, and everything was shot to hell why not the shields? Whatever, stupid movie is stupid...the whole thing needed to be rewritten. Just more dumb crap to make you go "wait what?" the whole fucking time.

And why the fuck did khan go to qonos? He knows that the admiral wants to start a war by firing torpedoes there, so he sticks his buddies that he wants to "save" in the torpedoes so they'll blow up and die, and then proceeds to make his way to the place he knows the torpedoes will be fired so he can blow up with them? But wait somehow he knew kirk would survive take his ship back and bring him his buddies and then help him escape from qonos to uh do what? Did he know the admiral would come after him with the big ship? Then does that mean he wasn't trying to kill him at the meeting? So what the hell was the point? His ultimate goal was to crash the big ship on earth for some reason?

And how did he get to qonos? So they wanted to do the whole ghetto time travel thing to do a reboot...whatever (Its been well established that there are "time cops" so I don't think they should have done time travel shit and just flat out said were doing a reboot). But never has there been any technology for trans galaxy transport. The last movie spock broke his own rules and gave them future technology to make a transport during warp. Now suddenly they change their own technology to mean billion light year transports with a tiny metal tube in a little no warp power ship? Whatever...just another big stupid flaw.

If khans goal was to ensure the war with the klingons (to get revenge or whatever) he massively failed, and his actions would make no sense at all. If he was trying to prevent the war for some odd reason then his actions make even less sense. Seriously why the fuck did he go to qonos? What the hell was the point of that whole fucking fight the klingons shit? I just watched the movie and I cant remember. It was 100% completely and utterly stupid and worthless. And they killed a bunch of klingons and blew up their ships and the klingons suddenly don't care? They're just gone from the story.

I can remember fine details about movies I watched years ago, because they were clear, made some sort of sense, and were relevant in the story. This "trek" movie was just so stupid and pointless I'm already forgetting it days after. Mostly because there was nothing coherent enough to remember. There were no reasons, motivations, explanations, or any sane or logical reason for anything that anyone did in that entire movie. Its a horrid movie not because its a disgrace to "trek" it a horrid movie because its a steaming pile of shit.

How about he blows up that building because it has the only information on the prototype ship that was being built and plans to kill the admiral (to remove evidence and further obfuscate his plans) and then beam onto the ship to take it over and get his crew out to help him run it and escape. Pisses off the klingons to distract earth and potentially get revenge if war did result, and kirk and his ship are sent to go after the big badass ship and khan to stop them. The reason they were resurrected and the reason for the fancy prototype ship could still be war with the klingons...though so many better ways they could have gone about it and explained things. Having khan kill his father (I was just thinking, didn't they kill kirks father last movie? It sucked too so I don't recall) is a good motivation, along with the bombing of the "facility" that killed some innocent people. Then during khans attempt escape he could possibly do some more shit to make him more evil. Or perhaps he doesn't actually have his crew back yet and that is part of his plan before he escapes.

Khan thinks hes superior, has a better ship, but is ultimately defeated...not by dumb luck, stupidity, and massive glaring plot holes like in this movie, but because kirk actually manages to out smart, out think, and/or out play, khan. Maybe they can use the frozen crew thing as leverage or excuse or something to even things out between them. So kirk has to make some serious sacrifices (like they tried to do at the end here, but less stupid and magic)...does anyone here actually realize how many people died in this movie? Those sacrifices could have been far more important to the story and they could have died for something... And phoning up ET so he could say khan was a naughty boy was stupid as shit. Either bring him in to actually do something, or don't.

The whole fucking instant warp thing to lol. So they can cross the know universe in a matter of minutes somehow. But at the end they want to go on a 5 YEAR mission? They'll be at the end of space and visiting with Q in a matter of months. There's a damn good reason they put speed limits into the trek universe, so it actually still felt significant and had some strategic importance. But nope, now you can just warp to qonos in 5, bomb the fuck out their planet, and then go. Of course the klingons are far to nice to do that to earth, so we can go fuck with their home world and expect no retaliation of any kind...even though we would never see it coming.

I have a ton more nits to pick, but I've ranted enough. Again, this movie sucked because it was terrible, not because they used "trek" for reference material. I'm not a rabid fanboy, I know scifi is mostly mumbo jumbo...so when they fuck it up this bad its just pathetic. I really cant see how anybody enjoyed this movie, not as bad as the star wars prequels but really close.

 

[child of wonder]

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As I read your post I enjoy the irony that you detest the plot so much and spend so much time spitting vitriol about it, yet from your descriptions of the plot it's clear you either didn't pay attention or didn't grasp the actual plot.

 

[EliteRetard]

Sitting here going over the mass stupidity of this movie I just realized there's a severe oversight that completely ruins everything. I already thought the whole teleport to qonos was a massive load of shit...but think about it, they can now transport any man sized object to anywhere in the galaxy with a 50lb metal tube and a turbine reactor?!!?!?!?!?!

BAHAHAHAHA!

 

[EliteRetard]

As I read your post I enjoy the irony that you detest the plot so much and spend so much time spitting vitriol about it, yet from your descriptions of the plot it's clear you either didn't pay attention or didn't grasp the actual plot.

Clearly there was no plot.

OH NOES VOLCANO! OH NOES BLOW UP LIBRARY! OH NOES WE BLOWSD UP! OH NOES BAD GUY ON KLINGON! WE GOTS TEH BAD GUY!!! YAY!!!

WAIT HE SAY HE GOOD, ADMIRAL BAD. OH NOES BODIES IN THE TUBES!! OH NOES ADMIRAL IS BAD! KILL ADMIRAL! OH SHNAP BAD GUY WAS BAD AND DOUBLE XXD US! IT PUTS THE TORPEDOES ON ITS SKIN!

YEAH FUCK YOU BAD GUYS! OH SHIT WE FALL DOWN! OH WAIT NEVER MIND. OH WAIT FUCK BAD GUY FALL DOWN! GET HIM AGAIN!

YAY WE GOT HIM!

 

[child of wonder]

Clearly there was no plot.

OH NOES VOLCANO! OH NOES BLOW UP LIBRARY! OH NOES WE BLOWSD UP! OH NOES BAD GUY ON KLINGON! WE GOTS TEH BAD GUY!!! YAY!!!

WAIT HE SAY HE GOOD, ADMIRAL BAD. OH NOES BODIES IN THE TUBES!! OH NOES ADMIRAL IS BAD! KILL ADMIRAL! OH SHNAP BAD GUY WAS BAD AND DOUBLE XXD US! IT PUTS THE TORPEDOES ON ITS SKIN!

YEAH FUCK YOU BAD GUYS! OH SHIT WE FALL DOWN! OH WAIT NEVER MIND. OH WAIT FUCK BAD GUY FALL DOWN! GET HIM AGAIN!

YAY WE GOT HIM!

Yes, I'm sure your refined palette cannot tolerate the simple minded and awful plot of Star Trek Into Darkness when compared to My Little Pony.

 

[OutHouse]

Just saw it and i loved it. Awesome movie.

 

[OutHouse]

Clearly there was no plot.

OH NOES VOLCANO! OH NOES BLOW UP LIBRARY! OH NOES WE BLOWSD UP! OH NOES BAD GUY ON KLINGON! WE GOTS TEH BAD GUY!!! YAY!!!

WAIT HE SAY HE GOOD, ADMIRAL BAD. OH NOES BODIES IN THE TUBES!! OH NOES ADMIRAL IS BAD! KILL ADMIRAL! OH SHNAP BAD GUY WAS BAD AND DOUBLE XXD US! IT PUTS THE TORPEDOES ON ITS SKIN!

YEAH FUCK YOU BAD GUYS! OH SHIT WE FALL DOWN! OH WAIT NEVER MIND. OH WAIT FUCK BAD GUY FALL DOWN! GET HIM AGAIN!

YAY WE GOT HIM!

Fail.

 

[Aikouka]

It seems like the problem that people have is that parts of the movie felt contrived. For example, when I saw it, I wondered why in the world they spent 10-15 minutes on that primal planet in the beginning. I know what they were doing there, but what bearing did it have on the story? We eventually find out what effect that has on the story, but 10 minutes later, that's "resolved." I guess it sort of feels like artificial tension, which this movie definitely had quite a bit of. For example, who thought that

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Kirk was actually going to stay dead?

Ignoring the character's importance to the franchise, there was very obvious foreshadowing earlier in the movie. I'm far from a Star Trek fan, but when

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Spock died in Wrath of Khan, that was a rather sad moment, and they left him dead... for that movie at least.

That's something that stays with you.

 

[SP33Demon]

Clearly there was no plot.

OH NOES VOLCANO! OH NOES BLOW UP LIBRARY! OH NOES WE BLOWSD UP! OH NOES BAD GUY ON KLINGON! WE GOTS TEH BAD GUY!!! YAY!!!

WAIT HE SAY HE GOOD, ADMIRAL BAD. OH NOES BODIES IN THE TUBES!! OH NOES ADMIRAL IS BAD! KILL ADMIRAL! OH SHNAP BAD GUY WAS BAD AND DOUBLE XXD US! IT PUTS THE TORPEDOES ON ITS SKIN!

YEAH FUCK YOU BAD GUYS! OH SHIT WE FALL DOWN! OH WAIT NEVER MIND. OH WAIT FUCK BAD GUY FALL DOWN! GET HIM AGAIN!

YAY WE GOT HIM!

Retard just went full retard on us.

Meh, I'm still waiting for this movie to hit the $5 theater.

 

[Ichinisan]

Heh, I'm from Texas, we're not all the same

Trekkie / techie Tetris master in Texas.

 

[Franz316]

Where the hell was Star Fleet during the last battle just outside Earth? These two ships are blasting the hell out of each other and no one goes to check on them? Not to mention the admiral of Star Fleet is involved, you would think that would draw some attention.

That big plot hole is tough to take.

I agree mostly with this review: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/7335-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness

 

[Ichinisan]

... And since khan said he was the one who put his people in them clearly he had access to his buddies. So why the fuck did he blow up shit and try to kill the general?

I watched the movie twice. Khan said he could only assume that they had been discovered and "every single one" had been killed, so he sought vengeance when he attacked the Federation and senior officers. "What would you do for your family?"

And no explanation of how these immortal super bad ass guys were invented/created 300 years ago and then captured/frozen?

They were exiled after the Eugenics War. It was explained in the movie.

Instead half the movie is stupid horseshit like running from indians (why the hell were they there? what were they doing? If all they needed to do was stop a volcano?)

It was character exposition so they could have a scene showing that Spock was willing to sacrifice himself for the needs of the many. The volcano was going to destroy this pre-warp civilization and the Enterprise crew went outside their mission parameters to try and prevent it. They didn't mean to violate the Prime Directive until Kirk felt he had no choice.

And what the fuck was the point? Lets take away his ship to make him look stupid or foolish or something and then give it back to him 5 minutes later?

To show that the Federation takes the Prime Directive very seriously.

Khan was a stupid pussy that did nothing and the big fancy ship had sudden erectile dysfunction...it can just pop in from warp blow its load all over the little ship and then suddenly its big old rod needs to "have glow lights in progression" and then it suddenly craps out. WTF was that stupid shit?

Scotty disabled it. Pretty clear.

And nothing operates without the warp core

They ejected the cores at the end of the previous movie. I'm pretty sure they would have crude backup power for life support.

And why the fuck did khan go to qonos?

Seriously why the fuck did he go to qonos?

Explained: "The one place he knows we cannot go: Kronos"

And phoning up ET so he could say khan was a naughty boy was stupid as shit. Either bring him in to actually do something, or don't.

The purpose was to remind viewers that

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"at great cost" meant "Spock had to die." It increased the impact of the surprise role reversal later in the movie.

Yes. The story was bad and lots of stuff didn't make sense. Why do they even have starships anymore if a "portable trans-warp beaming device" can take you anywhere instantly? I agree that people in torpedoes does not make sense. If the cryotube replaced the fuel cell, how were the torpedoes supposed to reach their target when fired from the neutral zone?

It had plenty of action and satisfying references to previous Trek material. I was entertained. I really liked the previous movie. This new one is worth watching at least once...despite being very poorly-written. I really wish J.J. Would cut ties with Damon Lindelof...but they're obviously close buds. It's the same fuckhead that ruined Prometheus.

You're lucky it wasn't much much worse.

 

[Ichinisan]

Where the hell was Star Fleet during the last battle just outside Earth? These two ships are blasting the hell out of each other and no one goes to check on them? Not to mention the admiral of Star Fleet is involved, you would think that would draw some attention.

That big plot hole is tough to take.

I agree mostly with this review: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/escape-to-the-movies/7335-Star-Trek-Into-Darkness

Apparently they are still regrouping and the battle didn't last long enough for Starfleet to get involved. No more captains or senior officers after Khan's assassination.

 

[SlitheryDee]

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You don't think Kahn killing Pike meant anything? The man was Kirks mentor. He was to James T what Obi-wan was to Luke and he's not getting Tribble'd back to life.

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It had an impersonal feel to it. Until the glimpse in the cockpit after Kirk damages the ship, I was assuming that they were getting attacked by some kind of automated drone sent by Khan. Khan should have been reveling the attack, laughing and hurling insults. Supposedly he had good reason to hate starfleet. He should have showed it. It also should have been clear that he was piloting from the moment the ship rose into view.

That may all seem kind of overkill, but after seeing the difference it made in terms of my relating to the characters, it's the better choice. The Khan from the older movies is memorable and actually IS someone. This one is kind of a dead fish by comparison. All the "I'm 10 times stronger than you and 10 times smarter than you" BS old Khan was spouting all the time was stuff that needed to be directly said, if for no other reason than to let you know just how big of an egotistical blowhard Khan was.

When Pike got shot, it was almost without fanfare. It happened suddenly, and all I thought was "Well, guess he's history". Kirk cries over his body a minute later, and then doesn't really seem affected by the whole thing much after that, beyond a couple mentions which seem to play no part in his decision making regarding Khan.

 

[child of wonder]

It was character exposition so they could have a scene showing that Spock was willing to sacrifice himself for the needs of the many. The volcano was going to destroy this pre-warp civilization and the Enterprise crew went outside their mission parameters to try and prevent it. They didn't mean to violate the Prime Directive until Kirk felt he had no choice.

As Kirk and McCoy were running Kirk said they had successfully led the natives away from the kill zone. They must have stolen that scroll so that the natives would chase them away from the volcano.

 

[child of wonder]

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Kirk cries over his body a minute later, and then doesn't really seem affected by the whole thing much after that, beyond a couple mentions which seem to play no part in his decision making regarding Khan.

Except when he requested to have the Enterprise back to go after Khan, except when he agreed to execute Khan by firing torpedoes at Qo'noS, except when he let Scotty resign rather than heed his advice about the torpedoes, except when he repeatedly beat on Khan after he surrendered, except when he angrily went off on Khan in the brig.

Outside of that, he really didn't seem affected by Pike's death at all.

 

[CZroe]

As Kirk and McCoy were running Kirk said they had successfully led the natives away from the kill zone. They must have stolen that scroll so that the natives would chase them away from the volcano.

We know. He's talking about the reason for the whole scene. The event supposedly threatened the entire planet (a lot more than those few that were led away). They were led away for their safety, Spock risked everything for the planet's safety.

 

[CZroe]

It could've used one more re-write. In particular, it needed something like Kirk offering the option for his enemy to surrender, secretly hoping he would refuse so he could blast them all away ala Star Trek II. No, I'm not saying that because I want a cliched rehash but because I don't want them to

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Tribble someone else back to life with the frozen superblood

in any future stories.

 

[Ichinisan]

As Kirk and McCoy were running Kirk said they had successfully led the natives away from the kill zone. They must have stolen that scroll so that the natives would chase them away from the volcano.

Yes. Their identities were concealed while they were in the temple.

 

[vshah]

my biggest annoyance was

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how can 72 photon torpedoes not destroy any contemporary ship when detonated INSIDE. we even saw them blowing holes in the hull of the vengeance. no way it still had any sort of power or anything that would let khan say "aim for starfleet HQ" after that.

 

[Sonikku]

And no explanation of how these immortal super bad ass guys were invented/created 300 years ago and then captured/frozen?

You don't remember the Eugenics wars from the 90's when Kahn almost conquered the world?