Star Trek < or > than Star Wars

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GagHalfrunt

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No. What he tried to say is well-established:

Star Trek is science-fiction.
Star Wars is fantasy-fiction.

Well-established, but wrong. Star Trek fanboys look down on Star Wars fanboys because Star Wars makes no attempt at getting anything science-y realistic. But Star Trek is only like 1% better. Star Trek uses lots of science-y words and completely ignores the science behind them. Trek is science fiction right up until the point where science doesn't cover what they want to do and then they invent fake science to do it anyway. Ask the Q Continuum about how sci-fi Star Trek is.
 

Amused

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what is the point of this? I call shenanigans. Doesnt even have the rebel craft or ties on it.

No Rebel Craft? The Calamari Liberty, The Corellian Gunship and the Corellian Corvette aren't rebel?

This features only large ships over 100m. No single occupant fighters.
 

JujuFish

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Well-established, but wrong. Star Trek fanboys look down on Star Wars fanboys because Star Wars makes no attempt at getting anything science-y realistic. But Star Trek is only like 1% better. Star Trek uses lots of science-y words and completely ignores the science behind them. Trek is science fiction right up until the point where science doesn't cover what they want to do and then they invent fake science to do it anyway. Ask the Q Continuum about how sci-fi Star Trek is.

Awww, were your poor wittwe feewings hurt when someone said Star Wars was fantasy?
 

cbrunny

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No Rebel Craft? The Calamari Liberty, The Corellian Gunship and the Corellian Corvette aren't rebel?

This features only large ships over 100m. No single occupant fighters.
yeah but the single occupant fighters are star wars. there are so few other ships of importance.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Awww, were your poor wittwe feewings hurt when someone said Star Wars was fantasy?

Awww, is we too childish to address the content? The fan boys of either franchise are losers. It's just sad and pathetic when the equivalent of the triangle player in the marching band looks down on the equivalent of the chess club. The point is that Star Trek nerds have no right to look down on any genre as being fantasy when Trek is 99% fantasy and 1% science.

Sorry I didn't dumb it down enough for you to be able to understand the first time.
 

bigboxes

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I just downloaded the orignal trilogy despecialized version. I'll take ANH & ESB over the prequels and ST any day. Runner up to the original ST series.

Edit: ROTJ sucks. LOL
 
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JujuFish

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Awww, is we too childish to address the content? The fan boys of either franchise are losers. It's just sad and pathetic when the equivalent of the triangle player in the marching band looks down on the equivalent of the chess club. The point is that Star Trek nerds have no right to look down on any genre as being fantasy when Trek is 99% fantasy and 1% science.

Sorry I didn't dumb it down enough for you to be able to understand the first time.

Awwww, someone DID huwt your poor wiitwe feewings. It's OK, daddy's here to kiss your booboo and make it allllll better.
 

madoka

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Any of the women of Farscape beat all of those, and they did it without pandering in decontamination chambers.

While I never met Claudia Black, I did meet the other two main female characters.

I met Gigi Edgley (Chiana) last year. Super nice and friendly woman. I think she introduced herself to us! Was willing to chat at length with fans. Her boyfriend at the time was a street performer (rides a really tall unicycle).

Virginia Hey (Pa'u Zotoh) now sells high end candles. I think I still have the one I bought from her. Very warm person; a bit of a hippie vibe.
 

madoka

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I must say I'm a filthy millenial so I'm talking about the feature movies and I have no idea who that guy is. I guess that makes me a pleb.

By Grabthar's Hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you need to watch more sci-fi.
 

ViRGE

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How on Earth is this even a debate? One is proper science fiction, with heaps of fantastic episodes examining everything from the definition of life to racism to the ethics of war. The other is an action series; a fantastic action series, but an action series all the same. They're not even in the same league, nor are they trying to be.

Edit: Also, the correct answer is Stargate
 

poofyhairguy

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Well-established, but wrong. Star Trek fanboys look down on Star Wars fanboys because Star Wars makes no attempt at getting anything science-y realistic. But Star Trek is only like 1% better. Star Trek uses lots of science-y words and completely ignores the science behind them. Trek is science fiction right up until the point where science doesn't cover what they want to do and then they invent fake science to do it anyway. Ask the Q Continuum about how sci-fi Star Trek is.

The difference is in the narrative.

Trek spends a lot of its narrative time discussing the effects (positive and negative) of real life (or realistic potential) technology. You get episodes/movies that explore the morality of cloning, or sharing technology with more primitive peoples, or eugenics, or how technology we create for the good of mankind can be turned into a weapon (Khaaaaaaan!).

Meanwhile the only real discussion of "science" in Star Wars is if it's better to use a blaster or a light saber. Star Wars plots completely revolve around the politics of high born people and little else. The science is never questioned, the only thing questioned is the morals of whoever has their finger on the trigger of the big gun. It doesn't even try to explore how someone could make a weapon big enough to destroy a planet, just that it exists and we have to hit it in one little spot that somehow engineers that designed such a marvel missed so we can blow it up.

It all makes sense if you know where Star Wars comes from. Star Wars is a combo of pulp Sci-Fi (aka racist Flash Gordon comics) and a Camelot era fantasy with laser swords instead of real ones. It was never meant to make you think about the technology, more thought was put into how the special effects should be achieved compared to why they should exist in said universe. And there is nothing wrong with that- Star Wars was the printing press of big budget action movies. The world was never the same afterwards for the good of us all! Some people will never like Sci Fi that is Sci Fi, but Star Wars being dressed up like Sci Fi plus it's massive success pumped more money into the production of real good actual Sci Fi in the late 20th century than everything Trek ever did. Both are important to anything we call Sci Fi today.

But out of the two Trek (minus the recent movies) is much more Sci Fi than Star Wars.
 
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