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I’ve been watching the Original series again and made an observation

Episode with the Immortal guy who made the “Perfect Woman” Android

and the Classic Mudd episode with all the seemingly perfect androids.

Why was Commander Data such an abnormality in The Next Generation?
 

DietDrThunder

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I’ve been watching the Original series again and made an observation

Episode with the Immortal guy who made the “Perfect Woman” Android

and the Classic Mudd episode with all the seemingly perfect androids.

Why was Commander Data such an abnormality in The Next Generation?
Are you talking about Season 1 Episode 7 - What are Little Girls Made of?
And
Season 2 Episode 8 - I, Mudd
?
In my opinion the main reasons Commander Data is an abnormality in comparison to these other androids is:

1) If I remember correctly, in Season 1 Episode 8, the androids figured out that they were enslaved, their masters became afraid of them and tried to destroy their creations, the androids figured it out and destroyed their masters. Therefore would have destroyed anyone that would have copied this tech.
2) In Season 2 Episode 8, the androids were run off of one central computer, were programmed to serve, and had an overwhelming desire to serve, even if it meant enslaving those that they serve.
3) Star Fleet didn’t have the tech to create their own androids at that time.
4) Commander Data was created by Dr. Nunian Sung, and isn’t alien tech.
5) Data was programmed with the desire to be an individual, the desire to learn, the desire to improve himself, the desire to contribute to society, to be accepted, and most of all to be human.
 
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Are you talking about Season 1 Episode 7 - What are Little Girls Made of?
And
Season 2 Episode 8 - I, Mudd
?
In my opinion the main reasons Commander Data is an abnormality in comparison to these other androids is:

1) If I remember correctly, in Season 1 Episode 8, the androids figured out that they were enslaved, their masters became afraid of them and tried to destroy their creations, the androids figured it out and destroyed their masters. Therefore would have destroyed anyone that would have copied this tech.
2) In Season 2 Episode 8, the androids were run off of one central computer, were programmed to serve, and had an overwhelming desire to serve, even if it meant enslaving those that they serve.
3) Star Fleet didn’t have the tech to create their own androids at that time.
4) Commander Data was created by Dr. Nunian Sung, and isn’t alien tech.
5) Data was programmed with the desire to be an individual, the desire to learn, the desire to improve himself, the desire to contribute to society, to be accepted, and most of all to be human.

I was thinking about #4 but your other points are spectacular
 
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If I tried hard enough, I guess I could have combined #4 and #5 in some way.

Well 5 is its own point on the original androids is they never could handle emotions, they frequently shut down or blew up trying to figure out emotions. Data had trouble understanding emotions but never blew up over them.
 

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You need to profoundly ponder that TOS is an epic tale of heroic manliness while NG is a nerdwank-stained jizzrag. In one robots simply are (and look hot), while in the other they need pathetic excuses for their existence, just like NG fans.
 

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You need to profoundly ponder that TOS is an epic tale of heroic manliness while NG is a nerdwank-stained jizzrag. In one robots simply are (and look hot), while in the other they need pathetic excuses for their existence, just like NG fans.

lol harsh NG was great second in line after the vanila ST
 
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I’ve been watching the Original series again and made an observation

Episode with the Immortal guy who made the “Perfect Woman” Android

and the Classic Mudd episode with all the seemingly perfect androids.

Why was Commander Data such an abnormality in The Next Generation?
The Android's in TOS were advanced alien tech (from ancient, dead civilizations) that the Federation couldn't duplicate. Data was advanced Federation tech whose inventor died, and they couldn't duplicate it, they thought. (When Data tried reproducing, it ended poorly.)

Also, Data wasn't evil.
 

DietDrThunder

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The Android's in TOS were advanced alien tech (from ancient, dead civilizations) that the Federation couldn't duplicate. Data was advanced Federation tech whose inventor died, and they couldn't duplicate it, they thought. (When Data tried reproducing, it ended poorly.)

Also, Data wasn't evil.
Except for when his older brother Lore manipulated Data turning him evil.
And then there was Data's and Lore's older brother named B4, which if I remember correctly was a less advanced older version which spied on the Enterprise for the Romulans.
 

DigDog

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See what i mean?

NG fans are all a bunch of pseudo-nerds who try to rationalise the tech and lore in the show. There is nothing like that in TOS because nothing is more real than a double-fist punch to the face by Kirk.

Here, i made a flowchart for you to follow:
1. if the bad guy is Female, then kiss it;
2. if not, punch it.

James T. Kirk; conquering the stars one punch at the time.
 
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Wasnt Data so good that it turned Tasha Yar against all other men for life?
Denise Crosby is one F'ed up individual. I went to a Comic-Con a few years back and the Next Gen cast was there (except for Gates Mcfadden and Patrick Stuart). The Firefly cast was at the show as well, and all of a sudden the autograph area cleared out because the Firefly cast was doing their panel. I'm not the kind of person who cares about getting autographs, but since there were no lines for the Next Gen folks, we walked up to each and talked to them. Denise Crosby was very unapproachable. Where as the rest of the Next Gen cast would talk to you and were very nice even if you weren't paying for an autograph ($25 each cast member), Denise was a total bitch, and just glared at you until you walked away. During the Next Gen cast panel, which was hosted by William Shatner (which the cast referred to him as "shat"), Shatner put Denise in her place twice during the panel. One particular instance, Denise was complaining about not earning much money, and Shanter pretty much slammed her by saying "Denise, you earn more money in one year than most of the Star Trek fans in the audience earn in a decade, so shut up."

Edit: I did get one autograph at the show. Stan Lee was also at the show. During the same time period as the FireFly panel, we went up to talk to Stan Lee (no line there either). We talked with him for a good 5 minutes, and he joked with me about me being too old to be a fan boy. I don't remember exactly what my come back was (something like "look who's talking about age"), but I made him have a good laugh. He grabbed one of his Stan Lee posters, signed it, and just gave it to me.
 
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Except for when his older brother Lore manipulated Data turning him evil.
And then there was Data's and Lore's older brother named B4, which if I remember correctly was a less advanced older version which spied on the Enterprise for the Romulans.

True. Now that I think about, there was plenty of artificial intelligence in TNG. OP is just a false premise.
 

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Pretty much every AI in TOS (androids, probes and mainframes) attempted to either enslave or kill all the humans, so by the TNG era they were much more cautious about creating mobile, combat-capable AIs.

They did finally fix the flaw where simple contradictions and logic puzzles would cause CPUs to explode in a shower of sparks. Kirk would've had a lot more trouble with TNG AIs.
 
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