Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[CZroe]

Were you actually watching the movie?

Kylo Ren was hit by Chewie's bowcaster, something that kills most enemies in a single shot.

Kylo Ren was also under orders to get the map from Rey, not kill her, so he was at a distinct disadvantage in the fight in that he had to win without killing her.

Also, Rey was a very experienced fighter, as shown earlier in the movie when she defeats several opponents at once with her staff. Just because she isn't a Jedi doesn't mean she can't fight.

Further, he had some idea that he could simply turn her to the dark side, so for that to happen he again had to defeat her without causing permanent physical damage.

And finally, it was a 2vs1 fight from the start, Fin & Rey were both attacking Kylo Ren.

So no, Rey didn't just beat Kylo Ren in a straight lightsaber fight, there was a lot more to it.

Rey didn't have the map. He ignored the droid running around with it to go ask her where the droid was, as if she'd have any more clue than him by that point. When he said "Where is the droid?!" I LOL'd right there in the theater because the answer was "back there running around while you waste time over here, idiot."

If using The Force is just natural to certain people, why was she unable to fight when he did he freeze her in place before and suddenly able to fight here? The least they could have done was showed that it takes a conscious effort to fight it by having him try that again and having it work for a moment until she overcomes it. There are so many little useless things they could have cut to make room for stuff like that it makes me think they need to go back to film school.

Not having orders to kill her does not mean he's at a disadvantage because he can't kill her. He can still kill her.

 

[Chiropteran]

If using The Force is just natural to certain people, why was she unable to fight when he did he froze her in place before and suddenly able to fight here?
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Not having orders to kill her does not mean he's at a disadvantage because he can't kill her. He can still kill her.

1- What are you talking about? He never froze her. I think you are confusing with how he knocked Fin unconscious, and that wasn't anything to do with the force.

2- No, he can't. Despite his position he can't do whatever he wants, he depends on Snoke for training and the first order for support, he doesn't really have the capability to ignore orders and go off on his own.

>Rey didn't have the map.

She saw the map and had it in her mind. It's a massive plot point of the movie, can't believe you missed it. The whole discovery that she has force powers came about because Kylo Ren realized he couldn't get the map out of her- a non force sensitive person wouldn't have been able to hide it.

 

[CZroe]

1- What are you talking about? He never froze her. I think you are confusing with how he knocked Fin unconscious, and that wasn't anything to do with the force.



2- No, he can't. Despite his position he can't do whatever he wants, he depends on Snoke for training and the first order for support, he doesn't really have the capability to ignore orders and go off on his own.



>Rey didn't have the map.



She saw the map and had it in her mind. It's a massive plot point of the movie, can't believe you missed it. The whole discovery that she has force powers came about because Kylo Ren realized he couldn't get the map out of her- a non force sensitive person wouldn't have been able to hide it.

1.) He ABSOLUTELY DID freeze her in an earlier encounter.

2.) They didn't imply that Snoke was a master. They didn't imply that he had any connection to The Force or training. He's just some evil-looking bad guy with no explanation for why Kylo Ren swears fealty to him. In fact, they implied that Snoke was as open to the other lackey's input/methods as Kylo Ren's and that Kylo still had something to prove about the power of The Dark Side and his own abilities.

His "orders" were to get the droid/map. It would not have been ignoring orders to actually go after the droid/map. Instead, BB8 is just running around with it while everyone else distracts themselves. His question TO HER was "Where is the droid?," so it's clear that he was still after the droid and not after what was in her mind. Being after the droid was not ignoring orders. Being after someone who knows as little about the droid's whereabouts as you and who can resist giving you the information you need is just silly.

>I didn't "miss it." Having it or the droid's location in her mind and being able to block him is EVEN MORE of a reason why he should have been back there in the melee with the droid just running around in circles. They basically LEFT the droid to go talk about where the droid was when it wasn't even hiding!

 

[Childs]

1- What are you talking about? He never froze her. I think you are confusing with how he knocked Fin unconscious, and that wasn't anything to do with the force.

He did, but it was earlier. Thats how he caught her in the first place. Then he knocked her out in the forest using the force later in the film when they were trying to leave the base. And he didnt really knock out Fin as much as wound him to the point of death. Its interesting if Fin survived that. It looked like Ren severed his spine. It wasnt clear if he was recovering or dead and ready to be buried.

Dammit, its almost like I might have to watch it again just to continue discussing this so I dont forget the details. :biggrin:

 

[Chiropteran]

2.) They didn't imply that Snoke had any connection to The Force or training. In fact, they implied that he was as open to the other lackey's input as Kylo Ren's and Kylo still had something to prove about the power of The Dark Side and his own abilities. His "orders" were to get the droid/map. It would not have been ignoring orders to actually go after the droid/map. Instead, BB8 is just running around with it while everyone else distracts themselves. His question TO HER was "Where is the droid?," so it's clear that he was still after the droid and not after what was in her mind. Being after the droid was not ignoring orders.

1.) He ABSOLUTELY DID freeze her in an earlier encounter.

Having it in her mind and being able to block him is EVEN MORE of a reason why he should have been back there in the melee with the droid just running around in circles.

I think you watched a different movie, what you are saying makes no sense at all.

The fight we are talking about, between Kylo Ren Fin & Rey, occurs on the Starkiller. BB8 wasn't there at all. The whole planet was about to go boom. Kylo Ren couldn't have killed Rey and gone after BB8, because BB8 wasn't even on the same planet.

1- You mean before she was aware she could resist him? They made it plain as day that she was just discovering her powers, going through the process of repeatedly trying to mind conbtrol the stormtrooper before it succeeded.

2- I'm flabbergasted that you think Snoke is some sort of lacky. He was obviously Kylo Ren's master. This was 100% clear.

 

[Childs]

2- I'm flabbergasted that you think Snoke is some sort of lacky. He was obviously Kylo Ren's master. This was 100% clear.

His name is Supreme Leader...

Speaking of Snoke, his projection was pretty cool. It would be funny if he actually turned out to be that big. Creatures of that size are not uncommon in Star Wars.

 

[Skel]

Maybe thats why it was forbidden for Jedi to have kids. I know its common in religions for holy figures to not be married or have kids, and its probably what inspired Lucas to have that rule, but it could explain the Sith. Maybe using the ability to use the force is like a regressive gene, and each generation gets crazier and crazier.

<snip>

I'm pretty sure Lucas put the rule in so he could make Anakin a bit more sympathetic. It only turned up in Episodes 1-3 so I'm really inclined to think he made it up to help the Anakin's fall story. I'm also one of those people that calls it complete bullshit that he had all 6+ movies plotted out.

 

[CZroe]

I think you watched a different movie, what you are saying makes no sense at all.



The fight we are talking about, between Kylo Ren Fin & Rey, occurs on the Starkiller. BB8 wasn't there at all. The whole planet was about to go boom. Kylo Ren couldn't have killed Rey and gone after BB8, because BB8 wasn't even on the same planet.



1- You mean before she was aware she could resist him? They made it plain as day that she was just discovering her powers, going through the process of repeatedly trying to mind conbtrol the stormtrooper before it succeeded.



2- I'm flabbergasted that you think Snoke is some sort of lacky. He was obviously Kylo Ren's master. This was 100% clear.

No. Back on the planet where she gets Luke's saber and Ren freezes Rey. "Where is the droid?!" Answer: Running around back there, idiot.

I didn't say that Snope was a lackey nor did I think that. The "lackey" was the person standing right next to Kylo Ren in front of Snope implying that Ren is a lackey of equally high rank to this other guy.

There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING implying that Snoke was anything more than some bad guy in charge of The First Order. Absolutely nothing. It was not conveyed. He gave BOTH of them orders, they squabbled about tactics and methods for a second time as if they were of equal rank, and Snope neither spoke of nor demonstrated his own alignment with the Force. As far as we know he has no abilities and Ren serves him for no reason. There's no conveyance. We are left to jump to conclusions that he's a Sith/Force Master based on our knowledge of the first one, as you have. Like I said: they need to go back to film school. If they expect us to assume he's a Sith like Emperor Darth Sidious is to fill in the gaps then they aren't even hiding that it's a shameless remake of A New Hope.

Ugh. Just don't even question what they are feeding you.

That storm trooper scene was just so bad. They seemed to think that the repeating from A New Hope when the mind trick was used was supposed to be cartoony hypnosis. The trooper only spoke those words because that's what Ben was influencing him to do for the sake of the other troopers around! If you influence them to set a weapon down and say "you will set drop your weapon" he's not supposed to say "I will drop my weapon" before doing it. Who's he supposed to be talking to?!

 

[Childs]

I'm pretty sure Lucas put the rule in so he could make Anakin a bit more sympathetic. It only turned up in Episodes 1-3 so I'm really inclined to think he made it up to help the Anakin's fall story. I'm also one of those people that calls it complete bullshit that he had all 6+ movies plotted out.

haha maybe, but I think he knew the major plot points or concepts and fleshed them out as he went along. Its not a problem as long as he's consistent.

In those movies he also kinda tied the force to genetics. So you would think two force users having a kid would produce a more powerful force user. I'm not sure why this would be a bad thing, unless the side effect is susceptibility to the dark side. Even a Jedi having a mate was forbidden presumably because it leads to emotion. In a way he set it up so that the natural order of the force is the dark side, and a Jedi spends his life fighting his nature. That in itself would kinda explain why the dark side is more powerful.

 

[Newbian]

His name is Supreme Leader...

Speaking of Snoke, his projection was pretty cool. It would be funny if he actually turned out to be that big. Creatures of that size are not uncommon in Star Wars.

I am calling it and saying he is tiny like yoda.

 

[Childs]

That storm trooper scene was just so bad. They seemed to think that the repeating from A New Hope when the mind trick was used was supposed to be cartoony hypnosis. The trooper only spoke those words because that's what Ben was influencing him to do for the sake of the other troopers around! If you influence them to set a weapon down and say "you will set drop your weapon" he's not supposed to say "I will drop my weapon" before doing it. Who's he supposed to be talking to?!

Didn't Jabba's lackey Bib Fortuna in Return of the Jedi repeat what Luke was telling him?

I am calling it and saying he is tiny like yoda.

Yeah, little guys always overcompensate.

 

[ctark]

1.) He ABSOLUTELY DID freeze her in an earlier encounter.

2.) They didn't imply that Snoke was a master. They didn't imply that he had any connection to The Force or training. He's just some evil-looking bad guy with no explanation for why Kylo Ren swears fealty to him. In fact, they implied that Snoke was as open to the other lackey's input/methods as Kylo Ren's and that Kylo still had something to prove about the power of The Dark Side and his own abilities.

His "orders" were to get the droid/map. It would not have been ignoring orders to actually go after the droid/map. Instead, BB8 is just running around with it while everyone else distracts themselves. His question TO HER was "Where is the droid?," so it's clear that he was still after the droid and not after what was in her mind. Being after the droid was not ignoring orders. Being after someone who knows as little about the droid's whereabouts as you and who can resist giving you the information you need is just silly.

>I didn't "miss it." Having it or the droid's location in her mind and being able to block him is EVEN MORE of a reason why he should have been back there in the melee with the droid just running around in circles. They basically LEFT the droid to go talk about where the droid was when it wasn't even hiding!

It's already been confirmed that Snoke is powerful in the darkside.

 

[Chiropteran]

No. Back on the planet where she gets Luke's saber and Ren freezes Rey. "Where is the droid?!" Answer: Running around back there, idiot.

Look, this started from a response I wrote to akugami's comment:
>How in the hell did Rey beat him in a light sabre fight?

Did Rey defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber fight in that scene? No. Obviously I've been talking about the final confrontation, which occurs on the Starkiller. Why you are jumping around and assuming we are talking about a scene 1 hour prior in the movie, I haven't a clue. Maybe you are being intentionally obtuse, but just to be 100% clear here: Rey only defeats Kylo Ren on the Starkiller, not in any other part of the movie, and certainly not in any situation where BB-8 is nearby.

I didn't say that Snope was a lackey nor did I think that. The "lackey" was the person standing right next to Kylo Ren in front of Snope implying that Ren is a lackey of equally high rank to this other guy.

Why are you even bringing up this other guy? Snoke told Kylo Ren to get the map. Snoke is obviously Kylo Ren's master. Snoke talks about continuing Kylo Ren's training. I'm sorry if you think things need to be spelled out in the style of a kid's cartoon, I think most people can put 1&1 together and realize that Snoke is above Kylo Ren and his master.

There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING implying that Snoke was anything more than some bad guy in charge of The First Order. Absolutely nothing. It was not conveyed. He gave BOTH of them orders, they squabbled about tactics and methods for a second time as if they were of equal rank, and Snope neither spoke of nor demonstrated his own alignment with the Force. As far as we know he has no abilities and Ren serves him for no reason. There's no conveyance.

Well, nothing except the statements of Leia that Snoke seduced Kylo Ren to the dark side, which is a pretty solid implication that Snoke himself is of the dark side. Sorry it wasn't explained in the style of a scoobie doo cartoon where the bad guy has a monologue explaining all his motives, if you actually pay attention to what is going it's pretty obvious.

That storm trooper scene was just so bad. They seemed to think that the repeating from A New Hope when the mind trick was used was supposed to be cartoony hypnosis.

It works the same way in the original trilogy, and the prequels. Why did you think it should work differently in this movie?

 

[ctark]

Didn't Jabba's lackey Bib Fortuna in Return of the Jedi repeat what Luke was telling him?



Yeah, little guys always overcompensate.

Nope he's tall. He was based off the original art for the emperor in ROTJ.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Saw the movie last night, absolutely loved it. It has been a LOOOONNNNGGGGG time since a movie got my blood pumping and my emotions invested like TFA did. JJ Abrams is clearly much more suited to Star Wars than he was Star Trek (though the first movie there was a decent attempt).

A couple points:
- Storm Troopers: Fin was great, I really enjoyed his character and I do appreciate the humanization the troopers got (the first trooper bleeding out, the two troopers noping out of Ren's fit). It would be nice to see this expanded on later with troopers other than Fin having a major issue with how the First Order conducts its business.

- Kylo Ren: Great character. I loved how Abrams played the expectation of just another Maul/Vader evil disfigured dude does evil trope and flipped it. He's just a young man with major issues making some very poor life decisions. No one can really get into the head of an otherwise nice kid who one day decides he is going to support ISIS, and this is sort of the impression I got from Ren. He wants the power and iron fist of order that the Dark Side promises, but cannot seem to escape the decency inherent in him. Maybe this will lead to a redemption/moment of weakness or maybe it will result in a balanced force user who is neither Sith or Jedi, we'll have to see.

On the point of his fight with Rey (aside from being emotionally compromised and badly wounded): Its important to remember that he is an upstart with a lot of raw power and talent that is wild and unfocused (a parallel with Anakin, who he idolizes). It is doubtful that Luke ever even focused on actual lightsaber combat with his students while his school was running and in the flashback when Rey touches Luke's Saber, Kylo is the only Knight of Ren with a lightsaber. Until he fought Rey, he probably never ran into someone as naturally talented or capable as him and may not have ever actually sparred with a lightsaber user previously.

-Rey: Another great character. She is a bit of a mary sue, but that's essentially what force sensitivity is so it makes sense in the context of the story. Whether she was previously trained in the force or not, she clearly becomes aware that it flows through her during her mental duel with Kylo Ren (maybe it was like the white noise that was always there and only gets brought into focus when she experiences Kylo using it). She does a great job, much like Fin, in bringing the viewer into the scene.

Anyhow, daughter woke up so I'm done typing.

 

[Childs]

Nope he's tall. He was based off the original art for the emperor in ROTJ.

I just looked at the concept art and the scale is not the same. He's like 30+ feet tall in the movie. But yeah, his height is closer to the concept art, about 7ft:

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/p...-and-weight-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

I just thought it would be funny if he was 30ft tall but everyone assumed he was a little guy because his projection seems exaggerated.

On the point of his fight with Rey (aside from being emotionally compromised and badly wounded): Its important to remember that he is an upstart with a lot of raw power and talent that is wild and unfocused (a parallel with Anakin, who he idolizes). It is doubtful that Luke ever even focused on actual lightsaber combat with his students while his school was running and in the flashback when Rey touches Luke's Saber, Kylo is the only Knight of Ren with a lightsaber. Until he fought Rey, he probably never ran into someone as naturally talented or capable as him and may not have ever actually sparred with a lightsaber user previously.
.

One thing about this is that Anakin was a killing machine. If Ren didnt catch that blaster shot my expectations would have been more managed. And he didnt just catch it, he held there for a long time. For all we know if they go back to that planet its probably still there! haha

 

[Zstream]

SMH @ above - I can at least understand most of the points others made, as they have to add multiple levels of explanation in order to make any sense of the situations brought in screen. That means it was poorly directed.

However, your post just reminds me of why people like the avengers. Plot be damned! Character development be damned! It's Star Wars with a new director damnit, so enjoy it.

 

[JTsyo]

When did Luke have a girl friend to make Rey?

There's a lot of holes in the film so it's possible, but I think she's Han's kid. Why else would he offer her a job, let her be co-pilot, etc?

Han was impressed with how well she did in helping with the Falcon.

 

[ctark]

I just looked at the concept art and the scale is not the same. He's like 30+ feet tall in the movie. But yeah, his height is closer to the concept art, about 7ft:

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/p...-and-weight-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens/

I just thought it would be funny if he was 30ft tall but everyone assumed he was a little guy because his projection seems exaggerated.

I kind of think about it like the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back, except it shows a whole body instead of just a head.



One thing about this is that Anakin was a killing machine. If Ren didnt catch that blaster shot my expectations would have been more managed. And he didnt just catch it, he held there for a long time. For all we know if they go back to that planet its probably still there! haha

I was responding to the people who were saying he was little or that wasn't really him. I know he's not 30ft tall because that would be ridiculous lol. I guess I should have clarified.

 

[drquest]

If Ren didnt catch that blaster shot my expectations would have been more managed. And he didnt just catch it, he held there for a long time. For all we know if they go back to that planet its probably still there! haha

The blaster shot was released and it hit something after Ren turned to leave the planet.

Cool way to introduce his power I thought....

 

[CZroe]

Look, this started from a response I wrote to akugami's comment:

>How in the hell did Rey beat him in a light sabre fight?

Did Rey defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber fight in that scene? No. Obviously I've been talking about the final confrontation, which occurs on the Starkiller. Why you are jumping around and assuming we are talking about a scene 1 hour prior in the movie, I haven't a clue. Maybe you are being intentionally obtuse, but just to be 100% clear here: Rey only defeats Kylo Ren on the Starkiller, not in any other part of the movie, and certainly not in any situation where BB-8 is nearby.

So? I'm criticizing what led to that. Referring back. It was DIRECTLY relevant to your "he had orders" logic. He ignored the droid and went after her at their first encounter... for some inexplicable reason.

Why are you even bringing up this other guy? Snoke told Kylo Ren to get the map. Snoke is obviously Kylo Ren's master. Snoke talks about continuing Kylo Ren's training. I'm sorry if you think things need to be spelled out in the style of a kid's cartoon, I think most people can put 1&1 together and realize that Snoke is above Kylo Ren and his master.

Because you don't realize how many assumptions you are making about his relationship with the man giving orders.

Well, nothing except the statements of Leia that Snoke seduced Kylo Ren to the dark side, which is a pretty solid implication that Snoke himself is of the dark side. Sorry it wasn't explained in the style of a scoobie doo cartoon where the bad guy has a monologue explaining all his motives, if you actually pay attention to what is going it's pretty obvious.

:whiste:
...and where did they ever convey that the person they were talking to was this "Snoke" fellow Leia was talking about? Only reason I know is because of this thread. One could assume but only by acknowledging that it's a shameless remake of the original that relies on the viewers to make that assumption after realizing it.

It works the same way in the original trilogy, and the prequels. Why did you think it should work differently in this movie?

I'll have to watch it again, but it's clear in the first flick that the trooper is telling the other troopers, not just repeating it back to Ben, Luke, and the droids. It didn't work that way when it was first used so if it worked that way at any other point then I am being critical of that too.

 

[sportage]

Star Wars 2015 vs 1977?

I wonder if the younger folks, those in their teens, 20's, 30's, if they wonder WHY would Hollywood filmmakers put these old fogy stars in a current blockbuster film?
Usually, if Hollywood goes that route, the film stars people like Meryl Streep or Cate Blanchett.
That seems to be hitting the age limit ceiling.
Surely not Harrison Ford, nor Mark Hamill nor Carrie Fisher would fit in with those cute young buff attractive actors staring in this Hollywood blockbuster film?

Well kiddies, fact is back "then" in 1977 Carrie Fisher "was" cute and attractive.
And the same goes for Harrison Ford, and Mark Hamill.
They "were" the young cute fabulous stars back then.
Just be thankful that Hollywood movie magic allowed these 1977 stars to become fairly tolerable on the big high deff 3D screen.
Wrinkles are wrinkles. But wrinkles in 3D. Holy crap!
DUCK! That cheek wart almost hit me in the face.

THANK GOD Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford did not kiss in those close-up shots.
I was expecting a full-on tongue in mouth kiss, the audience ready to cringe, but luckily for the audience Hollywood realized that would have sent movie goers running in panic from the theater.
A hand shake, a sentimental head on the shoulder, that was the way to go.
After all, Han Solo and Princess Leia did supposedly do the nasty and had a kid together.
And a FU-ing brat too boot... naturally.
Probably the most relatable and true part of the entire film for parents.
But as with most parents 40 years older, a hand shake, a sweet little pat on the head, is about as good as it gets in public. And you kiddies should be thankful for that.

I know, I know... For many of you youngsters it must have been like your mom and dad staring in some blockbuster movie?
Oh, come-on mom. Dad. Back in your wheel chair and we'll turn on the old TV.
I have some nice apple sauce and maybe Lawrence Welk is on PBS?

So you younger folks might ask why does Hollywood do this? And to YOU?
Well think of it this way.
In 40 years from now, Justin Bieber will be just another forgotten old fart with a walker.
And should Justin shows up in some blockbuster movie in 40 years, or when his music is listed under THE OLDIES BUT GOODIES section in iTunes, your offspring will feel the very same way.
Who? What? Why... are these old farts in my movie?
Too many wrinkles for the big screen.
Remind me again, they will say, who the hell WAS this senior citizen?

Yes, it's true. Getting old is a real B I T C H !!!!
And especially if your a Han Solo, Luke Skywalker or a Princess Leia.
May the force be with you.
And screw the light sabers, just bring me my damn prunes for gods sake.

 

[paperfist]

Han was impressed with how well she did in helping with the Falcon.

Or she is his daughter

What's the idea behind the First Order and it's Nazi like similarities?

Why did they move away from using clones as Troopers?

 

[Chiropteran]

So? I'm criticizing what led to that. Referring back. It was DIRECTLY relevant to your "he had orders" logic. He ignored the droid and went after her at their first encounter... for some inexplicable reason.

It wasn't inexplicable.. it was clearly explained. He read her thoughts, realized she had the map in her mind, and took her to interrogate it out of her. No need for the droid- the only thing he needed the droid for was the map, which Rey could also provide. The tiny chance that she might be a powerful force wielder didn't cross his mind, even though that ended up being the case and because of which he couldn't pry the map from her mind.

 

[CZroe]

Star Wars 2015!
I wonder if the younger folks, those in their teens, 20's, 30's, if they wonder WHY would Hollywood filmmakers put these old fogy stars in a current blockbuster film?
Usually, if Hollywood goes that route, the film stars people like Meryl Streep or Cate Blanchett.
That seems to be hitting the age limit ceiling.
Surely not Harrison Ford, nor Mark Hamill nor Carrie Fisher would fit in with those cute young buff attractive actors staring in this Hollywood blockbuster film?

Well kiddies, fact is back "then" in 1977 Carrie Fisher "was" cute and attractive.
And the same goes for Harrison Ford, and Mark Hamill.
They "were" the young cute fabulous stars back then.
Just be thankful that Hollywood movie magic allowed these 1977 stars to become fairly tolerable on the big high deff 3D screen.
Wrinkles are wrinkles. But wrinkles in 3D. Holy crap!
DUCK! That cheek wart almost hit me in the face.

THANK GOD Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford did not kiss in those close-up shots.
I was expecting a full-on tongue in mouth kiss, the audience ready to cringe, but luckily for the audience Hollywood realized that would have sent movie goers running in panic from the theater.
A hand shake, a sentimental head on the shoulder, that was the way to go.
After all, Han Solo and Princess Leia supposedly did the nasty and had a kid together.
But as with most parents 40 years older, a hand shake, a pat on the head is about as good as it gets in public. And you kiddies be thankful for that.

I know, I know... For many of you youngsters it must have been like your mom and dad staring in some block buster movie?
Oh, come-on mom. Dad. Back in your wheel chair and we'll turn on the old TV.
I have some nice apple sauce and maybe Lawrence Welk is on PBS?

So you younger folks might ask why does Hollywood do this? And to YOU?
Well think of it this way.
In 40 years from now, Justin Bieber will be just another forgotten old fart with a walker.
And should Justin shows up in some blockbuster movie in 40 years, or when his music is listed under THE OLDIES BUT GOODIES section in iTunes, your offspring will feel the very same way.
Who? Why? What?
Too many wrinkles for me.
Remind me again, they will say, why the hell is this senior citizen is appearing in my blockbuster movie?

Yes, it's true. Getting old is a real B I T C H !!!!
And especially if your a Han Solo, Luke Skywalker or a Princess Leia.
May the force be with you.
Screw the light sabers, just bring me my damn prunes for gods sake.

Do you think you're funny saying all that crap we already know? Also, we'll probably be using Holo-tunes a couple decades from now and Quantum-entangle-tunes by then.