Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[brainhulk]

nvm

 

[Homerboy]

Why worry about them at all? They are not designed to track and hit fighters in the first place. It's like using a battleship gun to fire at a jet ski. Also for some reason ventral "cannons" fire missiles.

Speaking of "missiles" I did like this movie's use of "hard" ordnance. Came up several times.

 

[MarkXIX]

He holds her hand while running away. He gets knocked out and she runs to his side and the first thing he asks on waking up is if she is OK.

Bah, the hand holding thing was little more than a "girl power" moment from my perspective. We've seen so many times in movies where the man grabs the woman and gets her to safety. In this case, it was a way to blatantly show that she didn't need such help from a man and establish her character as a strong woman.

Make no mistake, I'm all for that, especially with two daughters of my own. I just felt it was overt in such a way that made it feel cheap somehow.

 

[MarkXIX]

Who is snoke? They didn't even mention him much. Is the supreme leader that huge? He is like thanos.

Snoke isn't actually that large, that was just his hologram projection much like Palpatine had a large projection in Empire.

Snoke is supposedly going to be about 7 foot tall when we finally see him on screen as a character and not a hologram.

 

[AgentUnknown]

Supreme leader is snoke? Was there an Easter egg after credits? I left immediately at the credits.

 

[MarkXIX]

Supreme leader is snoke? Was there an Easter egg after credits? I left immediately at the credits.

Yes. It was mentioned several times in the film. I had no idea going in.

His character is played by the same actor who played Smeagol in the LoTR films.

 

[Childs]

Bah, the hand holding thing was little more than a "girl power" moment from my perspective. We've seen so many times in movies where the man grabs the woman and gets her to safety. In this case, it was a way to blatantly show that she didn't need such help from a man and establish her character as a strong woman.

Make no mistake, I'm all for that, especially with two daughters of my own. I just felt it was overt in such a way that made it feel cheap somehow.

It was funny though. It makes you wonder how that trope got started in the first place. Its not like it would make the woman run faster. If anything it would pull her off balance and make her fall.

After stewing on the movie over the weekend, I think the only thing I really object to was Han and Leia breaking up, and his death. Maybe it was one of those kinds of relationships where they break up and get back together over and over, but it felt like an extended break up, like 20 years. And I realize Harrison Ford really wanted Han to die, but it could have been done better. Most of the other issues with the movie probably wont matter over time, but they cant really recover from the Han and Leia chapter.

 

[CZroe]

After a couple of viewings, I noticed something peculiar about Rey and Finn -- they are both impeccably "nice". They are perfectly "kind" souls. Perfectly "light"



They never do the wrong or bad thing. Rey takes BB-8 from that scrapper. Fixes his antennae. Won't sell him for a years worth of "portions". Finn helps out Rey at the drop of the hat while he's dehydrated and running from TFO himself. He holds her hand while running away. He gets knocked out and she runs to his side and the first thing he asks on waking up is if she is OK.

You mean she stole BB8 from a fellow scrapper with a better claim than her own, told BB8 to get lost, considered trading him for "portions," attacked Fin without consideration for the truth (he did not steal the jacket), etc. Fin isn't innocent either. He lied about his affiliation with The Resistance for no reason (he ultimately told the truth and it was of no consequence), he spread untrue conclusions about the fate of the pilot he escaped with, etc.

 

[CZroe]

Yes. It was mentioned several times in the film. I had no idea going in.



His character is played by the same actor who played Smeagol in the LoTR films.

Andy Serkis

 

[MarkXIX]

It was funny though. It makes you wonder how that trope got started in the first place. Its not like it would make the woman run faster. If anything it would pull her off balance and make her fall.

After stewing on the movie over the weekend, I think the only thing I really object to was Han and Leia breaking up, and his death. Maybe it was one of those kinds of relationships where they break up and get back together over and over, but it felt like an extended break up, like 20 years. And I realize Harrison Ford really wanted Han to die, but it could have been done better. Most of the other issues with the movie probably wont matter over time, but they cant really recover from the Han and Leia chapter.

I liked it, it just seemed too overt. She could have just pulled her hand away and sprinted ahead of him without making the viewer feel dumb about having it explained through dialogue I guess.

As for Han and Leia, I still think that we will find out that Rey is their child. I think Ben killed a bunch of Jedi kids at Luke's Jedi temple and Luke led them to believe she died too. The death of a child usually ends in a broken relationship.

I guess we will see though.

 

[lk2500]

Why worry about the turbo lasers at all? Instead of flying in the same plane as the SD, why not just go "down" from it?

Are you talking about when the Tie Fighter escapes from the capital ship?

I would assume the ships guns are set up like an old formation of B-17's. Each battery covers a certain arc of the sphere around the ship. If a small fighter knocks out a certain battery or two then it should be fast enough to continue on it's trajectory and escape while the adjacent batteries try to adjust fire to the uncovered arc. Or even like a solitary B-17, knock out the tail gun and you're uncovered on that arc.

 

[phillyTIM]

Was there an Easter egg after credits? I left immediately at the credits.

No easter eggs, we stayed until the very end.

I would have been disturbing had they done the Vader breathing. That would have sent fanatics in a whole other league of speculation! lol

 

[paperfist]

I think Rey is the Incest daughter of Luke and Leia. They somehow produced a super force user offspring

Maybe Chewie was involved too and why she can understand him...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Poor woman lost her arm to an accident during another movies filming. She was one of the stunt people and I think someone posted a youtube link about her in one of the Star Wars threads.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...sident-evil’-set-injury/ar-BBnMPQT?li=BBnb7Kz

 

[Pulsar]

Why worry about them at all? They are not designed to track and hit fighters in the first place. It's like using a battleship gun to fire at a jet ski. Also for some reason ventral "cannons" fire missiles.

If you're going to get really fussy then ask a couple more questions. Why did hotshot pilot fly toward the REAR of the star destroyer - behind the engines is the biggest hole they have in terms of weaponry. The entire 'wedge' design was create to allow ALL their guns to fire forward. But I'm not that fussy.

I will ask why they didn't just tractor beam the f'in thing.

 

[Childs]

I will ask why they didn't just tractor beam the f'in thing.

I dont think a star destroyer has the same kind of tractor beam that the death star did. You probably have to be close to the hangar for it to work, and even then, probably not strong enough to grap a ship going full speed. I'm not basing it on a book or anything, but seems reasonable as to why they wouldnt always use it.

 

[phillyTIM]

I'm oddly very saddened by the death of Han Solo. It's like losing a long-time family member. :/

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well played Mr. Solo...well played. Always go for the gross sale in any bonus or commisionable event.

Ford’s galactic payday is based on a $25 million upfront payment – placing the 73-year-old star in the very top echelon of Hollywood earners – backed up by a 0.5% share of the film’s gross earnings, which could be worth another $9 million if the film hits $2 billion at the global box office. The basic figure is more than 56 times the $450,000 flat fee received by British newcomers John Boyega and Daisy Ridley – who will also start to receive a cut once the film grosses $1 billion worldwide – and crucially, 17 times the $1.5 million sum Carrie Fisher is due to receive for returning to the role of Leia Organa

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/new...rce-awakens-payday/ar-BBnMoDq?ocid=spartandhp

 

[local]

If you're going to get really fussy then ask a couple more questions. Why did hotshot pilot fly toward the REAR of the star destroyer - behind the engines is the biggest hole they have in terms of weaponry. The entire 'wedge' design was create to allow ALL their guns to fire forward. But I'm not that fussy.

I will ask why they didn't just tractor beam the f'in thing.

Star Wars space combat has always been similar to WW2 naval warfare. Capital ships protected from fighters by smaller picket ships designed to down fighters while their own fighters fly CAP and/or launch an attack at the enemy capital ships. Once the fleets close to within range of the main batteries, can be pretty instant depending on where they drop out of hyperspace, you get a cluster fuck like Endor or Coruscant.

A Star Destroyer is the equivalent of a Battleship, designed to project power and engage other capital ships. Its primary focus is not to shoot down nimble fighters. Its shields and armor are strong enough to shrug off most fighters and its own fighters can intercept any bombers heading for it so it has few light weapons to save room and power for the larger turbolasers. Thus as we see many times small maneuverable ships, even comparatively large ones like the Falcon, can evade the fire from a Star Destroyer. It is true the wedge design allows maximum forward firepower but it is meant to be used on a planet or against an enemy capital ship.

Given the above and accepting that Poe Dameron is the "best pilot in the galaxy" one could reason that he is not overly afraid of the cannons. He is in a VERY maneuverable ship and needs to get to the surface fast. The more time he wastes in space the more time he gives them to launch additional fighters which would be the real threat.

 

[local]

I dont think a star destroyer has the same kind of tractor beam that the death star did. You probably have to be close to the hangar for it to work, and even then, probably not strong enough to grap a ship going full speed. I'm not basing it on a book or anything, but seems reasonable as to why they wouldnt always use it.

Tractor beams against heroes seem to be about as effective as stormtrooper marksmanship.

From what I have read the tractor beams have targeting similar to a gun. A maneuverable target can simply try to avoid getting grabbed. Once grabbed it pulls with more force than a fighter can fight against, but it is not instantaneous. Potentially wrecking your engines by going 100% forward to 100% backward can result in slipping out of the beam.

That Falcon tried to get out of the Death Star tractor beam but probably due to the amount of power and size of its effect Han had to shut down the engines before they burnt out. A tractor beam on the Death Star would probably be able to pull in a Star Destroyer.

They may have been trying to grab the TIE but couldn't get a lock. I don't know because they never said anything about it.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

From Starwars.com
The First Order: The New Republic’s rise reduced the once-mighty Empire to a rump state hemmed in by strict disarmament treaties and punishing reparations. But in the galaxy’s Unknown Regions, former Imperial officers, nobles and technologists plotted a return to power, building fleets and armies in secret. This movement became the First Order, ruled by Supreme Leader Snoke, and is now ready to reclaim the Imperial legacy.

The Resistance: A small, secretive private military force, the Resistance was founded by rebel hero Leia Organa to monitor the actions of the First Order. Most New Republic power brokers tolerate the Resistance while regarding Organa and her fighters as dead-enders with an unfortunate fixation on the past. Organa’s cash-strapped movement relies on credits, ships and equipment quietly funneled to it from the few senators who share her concerns.

 

[drquest]

Here's a decent read on stuff a lot of us seem to be having questions about.

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-questions/

 

[Pulsar]

From Starwars.com
The First Order: The New Republic’s rise reduced the once-mighty Empire to a rump state hemmed in by strict disarmament treaties and punishing reparations. But in the galaxy’s Unknown Regions, former Imperial officers, nobles and technologists plotted a return to power, building fleets and armies in secret. This movement became the First Order, ruled by Supreme Leader Snoke, and is now ready to reclaim the Imperial legacy.

The Resistance: A small, secretive private military force, the Resistance was founded by rebel hero Leia Organa to monitor the actions of the First Order. Most New Republic power brokers tolerate the Resistance while regarding Organa and her fighters as dead-enders with an unfortunate fixation on the past. Organa’s cash-strapped movement relies on credits, ships and equipment quietly funneled to it from the few senators who share her concerns.

So we just watched a movie about a mostly worthless tiny resistance movement, when they just could have sent the republic fleet and smashed it?

 

[local]

So we just watched a movie about a mostly worthless tiny resistance movement, when they just could have sent the republic fleet and smashed it?

It appears so. I'm sure the Republic would have smashed it if the resistance didn't beat them to the punch.

 

[crownjules]

So we just watched a movie about a mostly worthless tiny resistance movement, when they just could have sent the republic fleet and smashed it?

It's not unlike when Britain and France ignored the rise of Nazi Germany until it was too late.