Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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MikeyLSU

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My thoughts after seeing it last night and having time to think about it. I'm not using spoiler posts since it is in the title.

First off it is hands down better than the prequel, and probably better than Jedi. If this movie was the only star wars it would be absolutely amazing. But it is not the only star wars and they basically retold a story with new characters which really to me is one of the only downsides.

My hope is this was a movie to set up new characters and win back the fan base while they use 8 and 9 to truly break apart and get creative in the story telling.

Without knowing the back story and seeing kylos struggle with being bad, it makes it harder to believe his fall to darkness but I hope they further explain that in the next episode.

We now know why Luke was absent from the trailers, he wasn't in the movie(except for his 1 minute).

I think they really were making these films as an entire trilogy rather than 3 standalone films that are a trilogy and expect it to be even better the next 2 movies.

But overall I enjoyed it as it was a return to the true star wars universe and I lived) loved the Rae and Fin actors, I think the future of star wars is in good hands.
 

Aikouka

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I saw it yesterday in 3D Imax. It was my first 3D movie ever so I didn't know what to expect. Overall some of the 3D scenes were pretty well done but I'd be just as happy if not happier watching it in 2D.

Yeah, I had to see it in 3D, and I'd rather save the few bucks. Although, I did find some of the 3D effects to be interesting, and to be clear, I normally don't notice them at all during most 3D movies unless they're the ridiculously corny stuff that's purely designed for 3D effect. The two that I remember the most are at the beginning when Rey is rummaging about the fallen Star Destroyer and they have some wires in the foreground up in the corners of the screen. There was also a scene with a Star Destroyer out in space, and it was all popping out of the screen.
 

sactoking

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More detailed thoughts now that I'm at a keyboard and not relying on my phone.

Yes, the plot is very reminiscent of A New Hope. That didn't bother me.

The movie has sooooo much more of a Star Wars "feel" to it than Episodes 1-3. It even has more of the correct feel to it than Jedi. Definitely on par with Hope and Empire in that regard.

I had no problem with Finn bugging out. As a sanitation worker it would seem to make sense that he would panic on his first real action, especially given they were essentially slaughtering innocents. Did it seem a bit weird at first having it not explained until 3/4 of the way through the movie? Yes, but do we need every plot point spoon-fed to us?

No problem with Finn in the lightsaber fight. He was a trained stormtrooper. Leading up to the movie people were speculating that Kylo Ren was a just a normal guy obsessed with Vader and were wondering how he'd do with a lightsaber. We saw that in the Finn fight, with Finn losing until Han came along.

No problem with Rey during the Kylo Ren fight. Leia was less force-powerful than Luke, so it makes sense that her son is less powerful than his daughter even though she isn't trained. After all, isn't the true power of the force apparent when someone taps their emotions? She seemed to be raging all over him so that seemed somewhat appropriate. Also, seems like Ren isn't really fully trained, since Snoke pretty much said as much. So it's not like Rey turned the tables on a Jedi/Sith master or anything.

Saw the death coming when he said his goodbyes.

Interesting to see that Ren is obsessed with Vader and he kinda got Vader'ed at the end, being slashed in the leg and side, stabbed through the shoulder and disfigured.

Not too concerned about the politics. In 4-6 the Empire was the main political force and had huge resources at its disposal while the Rebellion was a smaller but not insignificant force operating outside of the government. In 7 the First Order is apparently NOT sanctioned by the government but rather an independent faction existing after the Empire's collapse. The Resistance is not a full-blown Rebellion but a smaller force against the First Order. The Resistance is supported by the New Republic, so when Coruscant was blown up the Resistance lost a bunch of assets, which is why the strike team was so small. I think of it as the New Republic being the France in the 1500's, the Resistance is a group of privateers, and the First Order is England. The French Navy cannot beat England on its own so they sponsor privateers to harass them. The privateers rely on protection and support from France, but if France gets blowed up then the privateers are a pretty sorry-looking bunch on their own.
 

tynopik

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interesting perspective from a hard-core SW nerd who actually liked the prequels

People owe a BIG apology to George Lucas. Now we see what Star Wars is like without him, and the best they could do was rip off Ep. 4.

All the money and time and 'professionals' working on this ended up in a remade Ep. 4 with a bunch of fanfic and political crap thrown in.

A lot of people are just happy to see Star Wars on the screen again, and I enjoyed the movie while watching it. But today I woke up mad.

George Lucas is Star Wars. JJ Abrams is not. He killed Star Trek, and he just killed Star Wars.

I like Rey and I love Po. But the smart female/dysfunctional male stereotype is all over this movie. Finn doesn't act like a soldier at all.

Daisy Ridley is adorable, but her character using force powers without learning them is insulting to the franchise. And lightsaber fighting?

A former apprentice of Luke's gets owned by a girl with no training? This isn't Star Wars, it's a Pro-woman political campaign.

Finn is a great character, but comedic. Stormtroopers aren't comedic. Look at Kurt Russel in Soldier and compare. Finn ain't military.

And JJ has NO understanding of physics. First he thought it was alright to beam from earth to quonos, now suck up a star?

Do you know how big a star is? You can't fit one inside a planet. And the star coming back when it blew up...just no. This is not Star Wars.

Point for point, this movie is a remake of Ep.4 reworked into a fanfic with Disney politics added. It is not original or a continuation.

It is a joke. But one that gives out fan service and has enough pieces of Star Wars in it to be worth watching. Samurai Jack SW was too.

Definitely go see the movie, and I may see it again, but this is crap. Same thing happened with Star Trek and Halo.

If you give a fan the ability to make Star Wars, you get fanfic, not a continuation. George Lucas is Star Wars. Disney is not.

Now I really want to read the script he wrote for 7 and Disney threw out.

I may have a crush on Rey, and Po is awesome, but the movie sucks. JJ Abrams should now be renamed Jar Jar Abrams. He earned it.
 

Aikouka

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I had no problem with Finn bugging out. As a sanitation worker it would seem to make sense that he would panic on his first real action, especially given they were essentially slaughtering innocents. Did it seem a bit weird at first having it not explained until 3/4 of the way through the movie? Yes, but do we need every plot point spoon-fed to us?

Honestly, this reads like someone making an excuse for poor storytelling. It isn't about a plot point being "spoon-fed to us", it's about being able to properly understand a character so their motivations are more clear. Someone might respond, "This isn't [insert fancy, high-brow movie title here]!" No, but that isn't an excuse to ignore basic tenets of storytelling. Someone might say, "I think your expectations are a bit too high", and I might agree with that, but when the story was written by J.J Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan (the latter being the co-writer of Episode V, Episode VI and Raiders of the Lost Ark), I'm far less likely to give seasoned writers a pass.

As it stands, the only motivation presented to the viewer was, "because the script needs me to be a good guy", and if this wasn't Star Wars, no one would accept that shit.

No problem with Finn in the lightsaber fight. He was a trained stormtrooper.

That's the exact reason why I thought it looked weird. Why would they train Stormtroopers in sword fighting when they are typically shown using ranged weapons (blasters)? We only see a single Stormtrooper shown using a melee weapon, and that happened to be the one that Finn fought. Although, that Stormtrooper was kind of interesting... he seemed to have a shield too, so he was sort of a "Stormknight"?

No problem with Rey during the Kylo Ren fight. Leia was less force-powerful than Luke, so it makes sense that her son is less powerful than his daughter even though she isn't trained.

I don't think anyone has a problem with her being more powerful in The Force. The problem comes from how she just seems to know how to use it for no apparent reason. She pulls off a no-handed Jedi mind trick when she only found out that The Force is real shortly before that.

Also, I assume that Luke is Rey's father, but we don't really know. It does make sense that Luke would need to hide her a she'd become a target given her parentage, but we'll just have to wait for Episode 8 or 9 to find out for sure.

Not too concerned about the politics.

After the prequels, I think everyone is overjoyed at the lack of politics. Honestly, I was actually quite happy at the beginning crawl as it was simple and gave you the basics that you needed to know.

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interesting perspective from a hard-core SW nerd who actually liked the prequels

I actually find it interesting that even with all of my complaining, I didn't care that the plot felt "recycled".

Actually, I do have a complaint about the Star Killer, and it has nothing to do with the plot. It has to do with the design of the weapon itself. From how they made it sound, the Star Killer absorbs the star's energy, which should effectively kill the star. So... how do they plan to keep firing this weapon that doesn't have a reusable power source?

Although, I think that guy looked at the whole "sucking up a star" a bit too literally. I took the process as using the star's super-heated molecules in an endothermic reaction to provide power for the weapon. The general does reference that the batteries have failed when talking to the leader, so you would assume that they're storing the energy throughout the absorption process, and then firing it once they've pulled in enough.
 
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Bacstar

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Definitely good enough for me, brought back a lot of memories when the first star wars came out. I'll have to go see it again sometime in the next few days. As others have said, some parts seemed too "rehashed", but I kept reminding myself a lot of stories follow the same basic formula so just enjoy the show.

I definitely did. How long is the wait for the next movie? I hope it's not 3 - 4 years.

I was kind of having a blast texting back and forth with my nephew in a different time zone, my friends in another city, and various peeps online who were waiting for their movie to start. After it started, I don't think anyone was texting anybody.

Star Wars VIII - May 2017
 
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Adrenaline

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interesting perspective from a hard-core SW nerd who actually liked the prequels

He liked the prequals. One of a very few. They were really horrible with good special effects.

JJ Abrams did to Star Wars what he did with Star Trek, saved the movie franchise from being horrible.
 

ctark

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The one thing they did well with Ren was his temper tantrums. That is how you write scenes for an angsty character. Compare Ren's outbursts with Anakins and Ren's seem more in line with something that would realistically happen. The movie was great, and it was a modern take on Star Wars. JJ and most directors like to use moving camera's whereas Lucas used more of a stationary camera and just used different angles. I liked the change and it was much needed. The style used in the prequels was old and stale, and it just doesn't work in today's movie making.

I give the movie 9/10. Its on par with the best Star Wars movies and I expect the sequels to be even better. I think they played it pretty safe. I went in completely spoiled and had tempered expectations because of the spoilers that I've known for over a year. I'm naturally cynical and I loved it.
 

Slew Foot

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Total stream of conciousness after I just saw it.

Overall I liked it miles better than the prequels and probably about on par with episode 4. Granted, it seemed like a lot of the story was borrowed from there.

Agree with someone above that there seems to be a lot of missing content and a lot of story lines to make for "prequels". Its almost like this was enough for two or three movies and a bunch of stuff was cut out which makes the pace seem hurried. It probably could have ended when she and chewie left in the falcon to make for an easy transition to 8.

Poe is a total badass

Rey is a badass as well, I get the feeling that she has been force trained in the past but her memory was blocked (a la Darth Revan) which explains why she picks up on force concepts so fast.

A lot of the trailers have lines and concepts that were not in the movie. Maz Kanata asking Rey "who she is", Luke telling someone (most likely Rey) about the force running in his family.

So why did R2 suddenly wake up? Do he and bb8 have some sort of common connection? Im assuming he knows exactly where Luke is since Luke is seen with his hand on R2, why is he hiding the info from everyone?

Sad to see Han go, but I think he wanted out.
 

sactoking

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I assumed R2 woke up because his sensors detected Luke's daughter at the base.
 

Slew Foot

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I assumed R2 woke up because his sensors detected Luke's daughter at the base.


that makes sense, hide Lukes location until "the one" shows up.

And so is the entire first order destroyed? I assume Hux and Ren escaped but the whole planet with everything on it blew up.

ANd Phasma? What a putz. She gets the Darth Maul treatment.
 

Aikouka

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I assumed R2 woke up because his sensors detected Luke's daughter at the base.

That's how I took it. It definitely can't be BB-8, because BB-8 was attempting to interact with R2 earlier, and it didn't do anything. It was at that point when C-3PO mentioned that he was in low-power mode ever since Luke left.

ANd Phasma? What a putz. She gets the Darth Maul treatment.

Phasma's point in the movie made me laugh a bit. I kept seeing these articles about how Gwendolyn Christie wanted this strong, female role in the movie, and her character ends up being more of a throw-away role.
 
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Slew Foot

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So did anyone pick up on the fact the Luke was standing next to someones grave?

When Ren is interrogating Rey she mentions an island and an ocean, I think shes been training with Luke in the past and had her memory blocked.
 

Newbian

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The Resistance is supported by the New Republic, so when Coruscant was blown up the Resistance lost a bunch of assets, which is why the strike team was so small.

It wasn't that planet, that planet was where the jedi council was on during the pre-equals and capital of the empire after, but was planets in the Hosnian System and I believe they said it about being the republics main HQ now.
 

Cappuccino

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fuck this gay film. Over hyped and overrated. Oh wait I havent even seen movie 1.


Its all over my facebook feed, newspapers, TV, NEWS, town, petrol stattion...literally everywhere MAKE IT FKING STOP. I will kill the next person who mentions stars wars to me irl
 

Blanky

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Great movie. Abrams really delivered.

I think the movie could be renamed to Daisy Ridley's Calves, though.
 

Blanky

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fuck this gay film. Over hyped and overrated. Oh wait I havent even seen movie 1.
Whatever gay.

Its all over my facebook feed, newspapers, TV, NEWS, town, petrol stattion MAKIGN IT FKING STOP. I will kill the next person who mentions stars wars to me irl
haha, there is really nothing lamer than being proud of not seeing star wars.
 
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interesting perspective from a hard-core SW nerd who actually liked the prequels

People owe a BIG apology to George Lucas. Now we see what Star Wars is like without him, and the best they could do was rip off Ep. 4.

All the money and time and 'professionals' working on this ended up in a remade Ep. 4 with a bunch of fanfic and political crap thrown in.

A lot of people are just happy to see Star Wars on the screen again, and I enjoyed the movie while watching it. But today I woke up mad.

George Lucas is Star Wars. JJ Abrams is not. He killed Star Trek, and he just killed Star Wars.

I like Rey and I love Po. But the smart female/dysfunctional male stereotype is all over this movie. Finn doesn't act like a soldier at all.

Daisy Ridley is adorable, but her character using force powers without learning them is insulting to the franchise. And lightsaber fighting?

A former apprentice of Luke's gets owned by a girl with no training? This isn't Star Wars, it's a Pro-woman political campaign.

Finn is a great character, but comedic. Stormtroopers aren't comedic. Look at Kurt Russel in Soldier and compare. Finn ain't military.

And JJ has NO understanding of physics. First he thought it was alright to beam from earth to quonos, now suck up a star?

Do you know how big a star is? You can't fit one inside a planet. And the star coming back when it blew up...just no. This is not Star Wars.

Point for point, this movie is a remake of Ep.4 reworked into a fanfic with Disney politics added. It is not original or a continuation.

It is a joke. But one that gives out fan service and has enough pieces of Star Wars in it to be worth watching. Samurai Jack SW was too.

Definitely go see the movie, and I may see it again, but this is crap. Same thing happened with Star Trek and Halo.

If you give a fan the ability to make Star Wars, you get fanfic, not a continuation. George Lucas is Star Wars. Disney is not.

Now I really want to read the script he wrote for 7 and Disney threw out.

I may have a crush on Rey, and Po is awesome, but the movie sucks. JJ Abrams should now be renamed Jar Jar Abrams. He earned it.

And

 

spacejamz

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Can't wait for the special edition when JJ Abrams puts the blue ring around the exploding cannon planet...
 
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