Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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Slew Foot

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It appears so. I'm sure the Republic would have smashed it if the resistance didn't beat them to the punch.

SO im guessing the Republic is significantly weakened now that they just lost 5 planets including their main seat? On a side note, I would have loved to see Jar Jar on that main planet look into the sky right before i blew up.

ANd whats left of the First Order? Im guessing they lost almost all they had on that Ice planet.
 

blankslate

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Who is snoke? They didn't even mention him much. Is the supreme leader that huge? He is like thanos.

Some people think Darth Sidius was mistaken when he implied he killed Darth Plagueis...

The hypothesis seems to be Darth Plagueis was able to survive the attack from his student but probably spent time in a coma to heal and recover from grievous wounds and by the time he regained consciousness Darth Sidius had already trained his own apprentice so he hid and waited.



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local

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SO im guessing the Republic is significantly weakened now that they just lost 5 planets including their main seat? On a side note, I would have loved to see Jar Jar on that main planet look into the sky right before i blew up.

ANd whats left of the First Order? Im guessing they lost almost all they had on that Ice planet.

The Republic would still have hundreds if not thousands of systems under their control. Also I was unsure of what the Hosnian system was until reading this. So yes the capitol, the fleet and the senators are gone.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_system


Convenient that the Republic fleet was destroyed while it appears that the Imperial fleet was not present at the Starkiller Base. So, temporary advantage to the First Order I guess.

I'm not sure how much territory the Imperials control or how much damage was done to their power. They are based in the Unknown Region and it is called that for a reason I guess.
 

lk2500

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So we just watched a movie about a mostly worthless tiny resistance movement, when they just could have sent the republic fleet and smashed it?

I am going to assume the New Republic is about as effective as the modern day UN.
 

Aikouka

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so? many are trained in and how to kill and given jobs outside of being on the lines.

This really does not bother me. The thing that bothered me is he says he was sanitation yet he was on the assault team on the planet. that does not make sense..

I took it that he was transitioned from a sanitation role to a combat role. Although, one thing that didn't make sense about Finn is that he stated that he was taken from his family at a young age, but Kylo Ren seems to poke at the general about his "clone army". The general comes back stating that they've been grown for one purpose, blah blah blah. The discussion seems to have been spawned from Finn's betrayal, but according to Finn, he wasn't a test-tube baby. So... it doesn't matter?

Those who saw this in 3D... How was the 3D? Was the effect consistent throughout the movie? Was it "good" 3D?

I saw it in 3D. The two effects that I noticed the most were probably the wires hanging in the fallen Star Destroyer that Rey was pillaging for parts. They were subtle, and in the corner, but they were presented in the foreground. Also, as others mentioned, the Star Destroyer popping out of the screen was hard to miss. One of the biggest problems that I have with 3D is that it usually focuses a lot on putting things into the background, and... well, I don't notice that stuff much at all.

Rey takes BB-8 from that scrapper.

That scene actually bugged me a bit on the second watching. The whole area seemed to be this sort of semi-lawless, finders-keepers sort of land, and what claim did Rey have to make that guy let BB-8 go? It just seemed really weird.

Who is snoke? They didn't even mention him much. Is the supreme leader that huge? He is like thanos.

He's not as big as shown in the hologram. According to Andy Serkis, the guy that did the mo-cap for Snoke, Snoke is about 7 feet tall.

Supreme leader is snoke? Was there an Easter egg after credits? I left immediately at the credits.

No, J.J. Abrams stated prior to the release that there would be nothing after the credits.

Bah, the hand holding thing was little more than a "girl power" moment from my perspective. We've seen so many times in movies where the man grabs the woman and gets her to safety. In this case, it was a way to blatantly show that she didn't need such help from a man and establish her character as a strong woman.

Make no mistake, I'm all for that, especially with two daughters of my own. I just felt it was overt in such a way that made it feel cheap somehow.

That's the way I took it as well. It didn't really bother me, but I did think that it could've been done better. Essentially, I would've rather had Rey take lead at one point by saying something like, "Do you even know where you're going!?" Keep in mind that Finn literally just arrived at that settlement prior to the attack, so Rey should know it far, far better than him. That would've given her a moment to show that she's a strong character who has no problem taking charge without the obvious "I don't need you told my hand just because I'm a girl!" moment.

I think we will find out that Rey was training at Luke's Jedi temple when Ben Solo (AKA Kylo Ren) went full retard and copied Anakin and snuffed a bunch of kids. She survived but had her mind wiped to protect her and was dropped off on Jakku.

I was talking a bit about this earlier, but it appears that I made one mistake: assuming that Ben Solo and Rey are about the same age. According to Pablo Hidalgo, a creative executive on Lucasfilm's story group, Ben Solo is about 30-years old. Rey is only 19 as stated in a book that was released for the film. If the two were close in age, the scene with Kylo Ren attacking Luke and "someone" leaving a very young Rey on Jakku wouldn't work with that someone being Luke, because the timetable wouldn't fit.

So, since there's an 11-year difference between the two characters, it could work if Rey was 8 and Ben was 19 at the time of Ben's betrayal. Although, if he turned on Luke 11 years prior to the movie, then what was he doing over all those years? We know his training wasn't complete, which seems a little strange? Perhaps, he couldn't complete his training because he had yet to kill his father. Keep in mind that during Episode V and VI, it was noted that Luke could not kill Darth Vader without giving in to The Dark Side.
 

CZroe

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That scene actually bugged me a bit on the second watching. The whole area seemed to be this sort of semi-lawless, finders-keepers sort of land, and what claim did Rey have to make that guy let BB-8 go? It just seemed really weird.
I was saying that the first time through. How did she know the droid didn't belong to the guy?

They also never explained why BB8 was following her around when she told him to leave and he had another mission. He just... was.
 

local

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I took it that he was transitioned from a sanitation role to a combat role. Although, one thing that didn't make sense about Finn is that he stated that he was taken from his family at a young age, but Kylo Ren seems to poke at the general about his "clone army". The general comes back stating that they've been grown for one purpose, blah blah blah. The discussion seems to have been spawned from Finn's betrayal, but according to Finn, he wasn't a test-tube baby. So... it doesn't matter?

You have that backwards. He asked him to rethink not using a clone army. The General says the troops he has are conditioned, meaning brainwashed.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stormtrooper_(First_Order)
 
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HeXen

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Well I was always curious why people care so much for Star Wars and after reading this thread...I still don't get it. I saw a few of the old ones and it just never appealed to me, I just never could see what the appeal was for anyone else but was always curious to see what it is about those films that were so "epic"
 

Slew Foot

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So, since there's an 11-year difference between the two characters, it could work if Rey was 8 and Ben was 19 at the time of Ben's betrayal. Although, if he turned on Luke 11 years prior to the movie, then what was he doing over all those years? We know his training wasn't complete, which seems a little strange? Perhaps, he couldn't complete his training because he had yet to kill his father. Keep in mind that during Episode V and VI, it was noted that Luke could not kill Darth Vader without giving in to The Dark Side.


Im slightly curious as to what exactly Ren means when he says, "I know what i must do but Im not sure if I have the strength to do it."

Does he mean that he wants to turn to the light side but cant give his lightsaber to Han, or does he want to turn dark but hes not sure if he can kill his father?
 

local

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Im slightly curious as to what exactly Ren means when he says, "I know what i must do but Im not sure if I have the strength to do it."

Does he mean that he wants to turn to the light side but cant give his lightsaber to Han, or does he want to turn dark but hes not sure if he can kill his father?

I think he wanted to be dark, like his idol Vader, but he is conflicted. That's the way I took it anyway.
 

Ichinisan

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I saw it in 3D. The two effects that I noticed the most were probably the wires hanging in the fallen Star Destroyer that Rey was pillaging for parts. They were subtle, and in the corner, but they were presented in the foreground. Also, as others mentioned, the Star Destroyer popping out of the screen was hard to miss. One of the biggest problems that I have with 3D is that it usually focuses a lot on putting things into the background, and... well, I don't notice that stuff much at all.
I was really annoyed by all the particles in the foreground that seemed like their own layer, not like part of the environment behind it. Super annoyed.

The destroyer popping-out into the theater was really cool. I thought that was awesome.

That scene actually bugged me a bit on the second watching. The whole area seemed to be this sort of semi-lawless, finders-keepers sort of land, and what claim did Rey have to make that guy let BB-8 go? It just seemed really weird.
I've only seen it once, and that really bothered me from the moment she started walking over to the guy.
 

JEDIYoda

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Well I was always curious why people care so much for Star Wars and after reading this thread...I still don't get it. I saw a few of the old ones and it just never appealed to me, I just never could see what the appeal was for anyone else but was always curious to see what it is about those films that were so "epic"
troll much???
 

Subyman

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Loved it. I liked seeing a new, fresh perspective on the series. I really like Rey and Finn, they are a great addition and I can't wait to see how their story arc pans out. The post about the movie being "pro women" as if that is a bad thing is dumb. A strong female lead is great and very refreshing! I think she did a bang up job and loved the Finn/Rey dynamic. IMO, the worst lines were given to Leia and Han Solo when they were exposing their reasons for parting ways. A little too on the nose.

I was a huge star wars fan when I was young and I think it is impossible to compare it relative to the original movies. I will say, I'd rather watch it again than any of the old ones Definitely a huge, huge leap forward over the prequels.
 

Aikouka

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The post about the movie being "pro women" as if that is a bad thing is dumb. A strong female lead is great and very refreshing! I think she did a bang up job and loved the Finn/Rey dynamic. IMO, the worst lines were given to Leia and Han Solo when they were exposing their reasons for parting ways. A little too on the nose.

I haven't seen any posts here complaining about Rey being the lead, but more than people found the dialog "Why are you holding my hand!" "Quit that!" to be a bit awkward and possibly there for some sort of agenda. You can't really say that she does that because she's a bit of a loner as she seemed rather glad to meet "Finn the Resistance fighter" (he's a big deal :biggrin. As I mentioned earlier, I think they could've done a better job to showcase Rey by simply having her take the lead and pull Finn from an area that she knows would be far too dangerous. It would not only showcase her as being strong-willed but also intelligent.

One of my biggest problems with the movie affects Finn and Rey too. The movie just leaves to much out that helps give our characters this air of believability. That link posted earlier about 25 questions on the movie actually provide a lot of detail that makes the movie make a lot more sense. The problem is... none of it's in the movie. They're sort of emulating a move from Blizzard Entertainment's repertoire, and it's a move that I really, really hate: releasing companion works to your main work that are recommended to truly understand what's going on. In Blizzard's World of WarCraft, there are usually companion novels that explain how certain things came to be. It seems like we've got a similar situation here with The Force Awakens.

I agree with the dialog, but honestly, I don't think it was just limited to Han and Leia. During my second viewing, I was in a pretty bad seat for a dome IMAX showing, so I spent more time listening than looking for details. Honestly, some of the dialog is pretty hokey, and you'd expect better from Lawrence Kasdan and J.J. Abrams. I know... I know... a lot of people will say, "Hey, it's Star Wars", but that's really not a valid excuse.

Although, I think some of my favorite stuff was the sort of goofy voices that John Boyega would use for Finn. I still giggle a little when I recall his line about being a big deal -- it's just the way he says it.
 

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After a couple of viewings, I noticed something peculiar about Rey and Finn -- they are both impeccably "nice". They are perfectly "kind" souls. Perfectly "light"

They never do the wrong or bad thing. Rey takes BB-8 from that scrapper. Fixes his antennae. Won't sell him for a years worth of "portions". Finn helps out Rey at the drop of the hat while he's dehydrated and running from TFO himself. He holds her hand while running away. He gets knocked out and she runs to his side and the first thing he asks on waking up is if she is OK.

This, sometimes the dialogue felt like scenes from a Disney channel show
 

Udgnim

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I thought the overall character of Kylo was well done, but my only beef (as stated earlier) was they could have left the audience in suspense until the end of the movie. Probably right before he whacks dear old daddy.

should have kept the helmet on until he talked to Han
 

wetech

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Im slightly curious as to what exactly Ren means when he says, "I know what i must do but Im not sure if I have the strength to do it."

Does he mean that he wants to turn to the light side but cant give his lightsaber to Han, or does he want to turn dark but hes not sure if he can kill his father?


The latter.
 

Rage187

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Im slightly curious as to what exactly Ren means when he says, "I know what i must do but Im not sure if I have the strength to do it."

Does he mean that he wants to turn to the light side but cant give his lightsaber to Han, or does he want to turn dark but hes not sure if he can kill his father?

he has to kill Han but he doesn't know if he can. So, Han says he'll do anything to help him, and Ren takes that as an invitation to strike him down and do what he thought he could not.
 
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