Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[Starbuck1975]

Leia as potentially falling to the dark side is the best and most interesting theory I've read, and definitely puts Force Awakens in a whole different perspective.

 

[Balt]

Luke and Rey work to save Kylo. It turns out that Leia is really the new emperor, and flips Rey to the dark side. .

The idea of Leia being on or going to the dark side is so silly, the earth might start spinning the other way as people collectively roll their eyes.

 

[SKORPI0]

With Han Solo dead, nothing can stop them continuing their romance
that started a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... D:

 

[Charmonium]

With Han Solo dead, nothing can stop them continuing their romance
that started a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... D:

The wookie gets some nookie

 

[Sonikku]

I think it would have been better if the starkiller had managed to fire and decimate the resistance command and leia with it. Let her become "one with the force" with Han almost at the same time. It would also put a serious dent in it simply being an episode 4 retread, defying expectations. With the resistance decimated the New Republic would be forced to break its treaty with the First Order, thus setting up the next couple of movies.

 

[Phokus]

With Han Solo dead, nothing can stop them continuing their romance
that started a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... D:

LMAO it's like furry porn

 

[brainhulk]

With Han Solo dead, nothing can stop them continuing their romance
that started a long time ago in a galaxy far far away... D:

imagine a dark wookie jedi kylo ren. he would be unstoppable, uncombable, and incomprehensible

 

[Kaido]

Yup.... I agree and her dad was king Darkside himself, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch for her to make the move.

Remember how the Emperor didn't show any Force powers or interest in it before he came to power.... She could have helped by pushing Ben(Kylo) to destroy Luke's Jedi training center.

Especially given the history of lack of peace in the galaxy...Leia could see herself as the new Emperor, but with good intentions - instead of keeping the power all to herself, she would be the one enforcing the peace...by being the aggressor. Sick of the inefficiency of the bureaucratic Republic, she bides her time, gathers her forces, and strikes...especially now with the controlling planets decimated by the death-sun weapon.

That would actually make for an amazing story :thumbsup:

 

[blankslate]

Also apparently the force is now just a light switch you can turn on. You don't need any training to control it, just 'feel it' and BAM you're a jedi.

The thing is we don't know that she didn't have initial training as a youngling... pay attention to her vision / flashbacks if you see it again.


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[JEDIYoda]

it was short of brilliant.
waaaaaaaaay short

We have all these people who supposedly have watched the movie and could have written the movie plot lines better than the professionals...

Yet I do not see any of their names on the movie credits!!
What I do see is that they spend a lot of time on these forums.....so sad all wannabee script writers!!

 

[Ichinisan]

We have all these people who supposedly have watched the movie and could have written the movie plot lines better than the professionals...

Yet I do not see any of their names on the movie credits!!
What I do see is that they spend a lot of time on these forums.....so sad all wannabee script writers!!

Only writers can criticize writing? We just have to be happy and consume whatever is given to us?



It's no wonder they think we'll accept poor writing. Most of us do accept it. Thanks for being part of the problem.

 

[gorcorps]

We have all these people who supposedly have watched the movie and could have written the movie plot lines better than the professionals...

Yet I do not see any of their names on the movie credits!!
What I do see is that they spend a lot of time on these forums.....so sad all wannabee script writers!!

I get your point, but just because somebody isn't paid to do something doesn't mean they don't have good ideas about it.

Just like I don't need to be a QB in the NFL to know that throwing an interception is bad.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I cannot imagine what they were thinking with Kylo Ren's character. They took all the stuff that people hated about Anakin Skywalker in the prequels (eg, that he was just a whiny little brat) and duplicated it with Kylo Ren. Just another completely hollow and uninteresting villain, which seems to be a pattern in JJ Abrams movies.

Except that Anakin just whined and bitched and then abruptly murdered a bunch of kids apropos of nothing. At least Kylo Ren actually loses his temper pretty much all the time. Which is kind of the whole point of the dark side, you know? Oh, the vending machine gave me Canadian coins as change? WELL I GUESS I'LL JUST BLOW UP THE WHOLE FUCKING HALLWAY! That's how the dark side is supposed to operate and it completely makes sense. People hated Anakin because the only emotion he showed was trying to make droids seem human.

*Seriously massive spoilers follow*

Spoiler

Kylo Ren has multiple moments where he lets his rage loose over seemingly inconsequential things in front of underlings, before he lets us know that he's not even sure if he wants to give in to the dark side, and we see the conflict resolved when he has an internal struggle prior to hauling off and killing his father. So, no, Kylo Ren is not Anakin Skywalker in the prequels, he is what Anakin should have been if he hadn't been poorly written, acted and directed.

 

[Phoenix86]

I get your point, but just because somebody isn't paid to do something doesn't mean they don't have good ideas about it.

Just like I don't need to be a QB in the NFL to know that throwing an interception is bad.

Typical Monday morning QB, sometimes they MEAN to throw INTs. It keeps the defense honest.

 

[Phoenix86]

So I was just now able to see the movie, was the "big spoiler" that all the douchebags were posting, that I somehow managed to avoid was that Kylo Ren killed Han? I expected Han to die... Or was it Kylo Ren was a Solo? I expected he was a child of Leia or Luke...

Wasn't the painting on the wall for both of these things?!

 

[Phoenix86]

Oh, one more thing. Rey has to be related to Padme, right? If she's not a Solo, she's Luke's daughter. Again, painting on the wall. It's not like they cast her with that accent, and those looks and aren't making that happen.

There were dozens of scenes where she was basically channeling Natalie Portman's mannerisms. They could pass for sisters/cousins easily.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh, one more thing. Rey has to be related to Padme, right? If she's not a Solo, she's Luke's daughter. Again, painting on the wall. It's not like they cast her with that accent, and those looks and aren't making that happen.

There were dozens of scenes where she was basically channeling Natalie Portman's mannerisms. They could pass for sisters/cousins easily.

I assume she is Luke's daughter and that was him abandoning her on the desert planet in her flashback. If episodes 4-6 are still canon--they are, right?--then she has to be a Skywalker.

unless we again have to go with "Well, the previous material is trashed, for reasons" and she's some other bullshit virgin birth infused with middidcklieons. Plus, she has the same skillset as a young Luke, and Anakin. She could certainly be a twin of Leia and Han's little dark Jedi--might as well stick with the "separated and abandoned Jedi twins" plot since we have rehashed everything.

Finally saw it yesterday. I enjoyed it, not the revelation I was hoping it would be, but it was better than "those that I have forgotten."

It pretty much hit every major plot point of a New Hope--would have appreciated not seeing yet another death star attack. Not to mention that Rey = Luke and Anakin's exact character progression from technical wizards and ace pilots living on dusty abandoned shithole desert world, swept up into galaxy-crucial shenanigans.

I guess Han Solo shouldn't be all that spoilery as it is public knowledge that he long ago demanded that he would only do a 4th Star Wars film if he was killed in it. ...which is fine. I just couldn't bare seeing 70 year-old Harrison Ford limping through that role. Certainly not for 2 more. Still, I had forgotten about that demand and after nearly 2 weeks, it was spoiled to me via google: searching for some crossword clue, my search started with Han--and fucking google autocompleted the suggestion to Han Solo Dies.

lol.

I was also thinking that "the big spoiler" would be that the masked fellow with the lame hilted lightsaber would be Luke in the end, following some of the Dark Horse comics stories, but alas--it was some other whiny emo kid.

 

[zinfamous]

So I was just now able to see the movie, was the "big spoiler" that all the douchebags were posting, that I somehow managed to avoid was that Kylo Ren killed Han? I expected Han to die... Or was it Kylo Ren was a Solo? I expected he was a child of Leia or Luke...

Wasn't the painting on the wall for both of these things?!

I think the "big spoiler" that got that rapper fellow in trouble was Han dying. I'm not sure what else it would be. You do sorta have to be a fan and actively search for these details to know the long-standing demands of Harrison Ford.

 

[Ichinisan]

Oh, one more thing. Rey has to be related to Padme, right? If she's not a Solo, she's Luke's daughter. Again, painting on the wall. It's not like they cast her with that accent, and those looks and aren't making that happen.

There were dozens of scenes where she was basically channeling Natalie Portman's mannerisms. They could pass for sisters/cousins easily.

The only "mannerism" of Natalie Portman's character was...um..."stoic."

 

[zinfamous]

Except that Anakin just whined and bitched and then abruptly murdered a bunch of kids apropos of nothing. At least Kylo Ren actually loses his temper pretty much all the time. Which is kind of the whole point of the dark side, you know? Oh, the vending machine gave me Canadian coins as change? WELL I GUESS I'LL JUST BLOW UP THE WHOLE FUCKING HALLWAY! That's how the dark side is supposed to operate and it completely makes sense. People hated Anakin because the only emotion he showed was trying to make droids seem human.

*Seriously massive spoilers follow*

Spoiler

Kylo Ren has multiple moments where he lets his rage loose over seemingly inconsequential things in front of underlings, before he lets us know that he's not even sure if he wants to give in to the dark side, and we see the conflict resolved when he has an internal struggle prior to hauling off and killing his father. So, no, Kylo Ren is not Anakin Skywalker in the prequels, he is what Anakin should have been if he hadn't been poorly written, acted and directed.

agreed--his character progression would have passed off as a much better Anakin replacement for those last two shitty movies.

 

[Kaido]

If you liked Emo Kylo Rey, check out these highlights from @VeryLoneyLuke:

http://imgur.com/gallery/6FHJ2

Good reading on synthetic crystals:

http://imgur.com/gallery/znCgJ

JJ explains the thinking behind the death scene:

http://collider.com/star-wars-the-force-awakens-kylo-ren-scene-jj-abrams/

Some background on Finn:

http://imgur.com/gallery/v8L0R

And of course, MOAR TR-8R! (don't forget to click the "load remaining 77 images" link )

http://imgur.com/gallery/3c86T

 

[Sonikku]

I assume she is Luke's daughter and that was him abandoning her on the desert planet in her flashback. If episodes 4-6 are still canon--they are, right?--then she has to be a Skywalker.

Luke tapped Leia, dropped off the kid before things got awkward with Han. Out of sight out of mind.

 

[Skel]

I'm not sure if it's mentioned but there is a book out there that is supposed to be cannon and goes into detail about Finn and Rey before the movie. I discovered it trying to figure out where the name TR-8R came from. I haven't read said book, nor do I really plan on it, but I figured someone on here might like it.

Greg Rucka's Before the Awaking

Amazon link

 

[Triumph]

So I've read 10 of 30 pages of this thread, after finally seeing the movie two days ago. As a long time Star Wars fan, it is simple. Every time I saw things that I didn't like, or things that didn't make sense, or were rehashed, I thought back to Episodes 1-3. And I felt better. George Lucas had his chance to continue on with the saga, and he failed. Miserably. In every way imaginable. There was nothing good about Episodes 1-3. Nothing. So having him involved in this in any way would not have been good.

There's plenty to criticize about Episodes 4-6, but we still love them. Episode 7 is about on par.

 

[Phoenix86]

I'm not sure if it's mentioned but there is a book out there that is supposed to be cannon and goes into detail about Finn and Rey before the movie. I discovered it trying to figure out where the name TR-8R came from. I haven't read said book, nor do I really plan on it, but I figured someone on here might like it.

Greg Rucka's Before the Awaking

Amazon link

Disney said only movies+clone wars are canon. That's it. Disney didn't want to sift through all the EU stuff, but that didn't mean they would exclude it from films. That's why some of the books may seem relevant.