Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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zinfamous

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I'm sure he could have negotiated something like that, but he did donate most of the $4B to charity. I don't think he was too interested in the financial windfall from selling the franchise.

But imagine that backend also going to charity--what a jerk!

Just kidding. As much as he soured himself to the fanworld and kinda shit on eveyrthing he did--I always respected him for that.

I totally would have done the same thing, and intentionally, were I in his shoes. Thing is, it seems he honestly thought those prequels were great. Me...I would have made those shitty movies on purpose and told everyone to fuck off if they didn't like it, with that kind of power.

 

Chiropteran

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Ren stopped a sniper blast midair, and held it during the entire intro scene. By the end he struggled against a stormtrooper wielding a lightsaber. I understand that he is conflicted but to make him ineffective in a fight after the intro scene didn't make sense. After 10 viewings it won't make sense.

Maybe after 10 viewings you will realize Kylo Ren was suffering massive blood loss and presumably pain from chewie's shot. Lesser enemies are killed outright, I think it makes perfect sense that Kylo Ren might be fighting at less than 100% there.
 

HendrixFan

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Maybe after 10 viewings you will realize Kylo Ren was suffering massive blood loss and presumably pain from chewie's shot. Lesser enemies are killed outright, I think it makes perfect sense that Kylo Ren might be fighting at less than 100% there.

He force pushed Rey out of commission to go one on one with Finn. Why not force push Finn? Why not force choke Finn? Why not freeze him like he did with Rey earlier in the movie?

He did stick around and fight, and his moves were mostly ok. He was able to utilize the force to toss Rey around like a doll. There is no good reason for him to have to take a blow from Finn. I'll accept him toying with Rey and trying to turn her instead of defeat her. I still can't fathom him having even a slight difficulty with Finn, including the injury he sustained.
 

zinfamous

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Maybe after 10 viewings you will realize Kylo Ren was suffering massive blood loss and presumably pain from chewie's shot. Lesser enemies are killed outright, I think it makes perfect sense that Kylo Ren might be fighting at less than 100% there.

they did set up the OP crossbow blaster and his massive +10 bleed damage in that scene, I'll give you that.

But damn--he stopped an effing blaster shot, and I forgot about that scene as early as it was. This reminds me that his unmasking was that much more disappointing. Shit.

but that blaster shot block....badass. What happened to him in every scene after that?
 
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That wouldn't make logical sense though. Once you have a powerful weapon, why would you abandon it? (Because a group of fighters got off two lucky shots?) The logical thing is to increase the power of your weapons, not completely abandon them.


Also, in the opening scroll of text, did anyone else notice that all of the stars are of the same hue? A sort of bluish white? That would make them class A or class B stars. Even if I'm off and there are some class O stars, or even some class F stars, there's an absence of stars like our own. It's statistically unlikely in that section of the universe - O, A, B, and F only make up around 10% of all main-sequence stars. I expect to see some yellowish, orangeish, or reddish hues in Episode 8.

P.S., I don't know what that scroll of text said - I was too busy noticing the star thing.

It's not even that they're building a planetary destruction device that bothers me, I have a problem with the general direction of the movie. A lot of time and potentially very interesting plot options occured between Episodes VI and VII. There are literally a million more interesting options to go than another Death Star plot. In fact, why do they have to rename this Empire to the First Order. Just stick with the Empire since nothing else has obviously changed.
 

ImpulsE69

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Finally saw it in IMAX. IMAX was great for the space fights, but for everything else it sucked. Movie itself was decent..I am no Star Wars fanboy so I probably had lower expectations, but I definitely enjoyed it more than the prequels.

Anyone notice the Half Life droid?
 

sactoking

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That's a good observation. Though through Rey's flash back of the Knights of Ren murdered a lot of Jedi. Luke probably needed to clear his mind a bit.

I assume that the Knights of Ren had more sensitives amongst them other then Kylo.

The more I think about it (and watch those irritating embedded gifs) I'm not sure that's the case. In the flashback we're supposed to think it's the Knights of Ren killing the Jedi, but watching it again I don't think that's what's happening.

There's Rey on the ground in the rain. She's about to be clubbed by some indistinct humanoid. Suddenly Kylo stabs the humanoid through the torso. If this was the past, was Rey actually there? If so, why would someone be trying to kill her? Why would Kylo save her? If that's a Knight that's stabbed, who is she to him that he would kill one of his own to save her? Why would the other Knights still follow him? If she wasn't there, who's location is she inhabiting in the vision (and the other questions remain under new circumstances).

There's Rey backing away from Kylo and the Knights. None of the other Knights have lightsabers. Does that mean that none of them have force powers? Are they just a bunch of toadies? If this is the past and Rey was there, why does Kylo let Rey go? If Rey wasn't there, was it some sort of shared-vision (hence why Kylo looks at her and is obsessed with her the rest of the movie? He has to know who this woman was in his vision? There's no real indication of that.)?

A couple of alternate theories:
1. It was the past, Rey wasn't there, but it was not the murder of the Jedi. I saw a viewer theory that said it may have been a slaughter on Endor or some other planet. Basically, Kylo had Vader's mask. He had to get it from somewhere. It would make sense for him and his Vader cult to make a pilgrimage to Endor, or wherever it ended up, to get it. They likely would have killed anyone that got in their way. There are some major problems with this theory, like what would a non-Ewok humanoid be doing on Endor and where is all the foliage.
2. It wasn't the past, it was a possible future. According to Slashfilm, who claims to have a copy of the screenplay, the scene in question was set very generically and there's nothing explicitly tying it to the Jedi slaughter. On the other hand, the same alleged screenplay says that the scene with Luke's hand is immediately after the Jedi slaughter, with the Jedi temple burning in the background. That makes me ask: if the Jedi were killed during such a torrential downpour how could the temple be on fire?

Another baseless bit of fan speculation: there's either a typo or a spoiler in the opening crawl. Second paragraph, second sentence, discussing Leia: "She is desperate to find her brother Luke and gain his help in restoring peace and justice to the galaxy." We know that Luke and Leia are the twin children of Anakin Skywalker. They are the only children of Anakin Skywalker. But for that second statement to be true the crawl would need to read: "She is desperate to find her brother, Luke, and gain..." If Leia has one brother then naming him after mentioning him would be a grammatical aside and need to be offset from the remainder of the sentence. A statement like "...her brother Luke..." without commas is only correct if she has more than one brother and naming which one is compounding the fact that you mentioned a brother. Do I think there's a secret Anakin child running around? No. I'd put 99.9% on it being a grammar error. But, if it's not, that would be kind of a cool Easter egg/mini-spoiler to put in.
 

Hugo Drax

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I really liked Daisy Ridley and John Boyega. The chemistry between the was great as well. I hope to see more of them on the next installments.

They were solid choices for the new Starwars. Also It definitely was in the spirit of the first two movies, from the humor,banter etc...

I wonder why Lucas screwed up the prequels so badly, the actors, the wooden acting etc.. And BB-8 was a great addition, why couldn't Lucas do something like BB-8 VS the annoying Jar Jar binks.

What happened to Lucas why did he fail so bad where J J Abrahms did so well and its not even his franchise to begin with.

Night and day between the prequels and this movie, he definately captured the spirit of Starwars, something Lucas somehow lost along the way.

Now I know why he hates this movie.


I liked the villains much more compelling villains than the ones in the prequels. I liked "Kylo Ren (Emo Vader)" and "Space Hitler Jr" Very interesting fun characters, loved it when he goes into his angry rampages. Lots of turmoil in him. hopefully they both return again.

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Eug

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I didn't like emo Kylo Ren, but I did like Space Hitler JR. He seemed like a real villain. He had faults but seemed like he was appropriate for the position.

But maybe I'll get over emo Kylo Ren's emo-ness over time, since I'll definitely be getting this movie on Blu-ray.
 

ImpulsE69

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I didn't like emo Kylo Ren, but I did like Space Hitler JR. He seemed like a real villain. He had faults but seemed like he was appropriate for the position.

But maybe I'll get over emo Kylo Ren's emo-ness over time, since I'll definitely be getting this movie on Blu-ray.

Actually, given the dark side and emotions playing into falling into it, I think Kylo Ren's actions and emo-ness were supposed to be mirroring Anikins. They were both snobby little brats.

Also, if I've learned anything from Star Wars, it's that that universe is full of bad parents.
 

bguile

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So I have been avoiding star wars threads till I saw the movie. Fairly disappointed to find out it was the original star wars all over again. I took my son to see it and he enjoyed it, so that was something. I am surprised it so well rated. Its at best a 6 or 7. It's not that it was bad, it was a good action flick, it just that I already saw it.
 

Hugo Drax

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Actually, given the dark side and emotions playing into falling into it, I think Kylo Ren's actions and emo-ness were supposed to be mirroring Anikins. They were both snobby little brats.

Also, if I've learned anything from Star Wars, it's that that universe is full of bad parents.

But where Anakin sucked ass, Kylo Ren is 1000x better. I liked his Character much more depth to him VS Vader.

I think the part where he removes his helmet and it turns out he is a regular looking young man makes him even more demented/evil.

Vader had a reason to wear his outfit, Kylo is just fucked up in the head, put the lotion in the basket way. I think that scene worked real nicely when he showed his face to Rey.
 

Eug

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Actually, given the dark side and emotions playing into falling into it, I think Kylo Ren's actions and emo-ness were supposed to be mirroring Anikins. They were both snobby little brats.

Also, if I've learned anything from Star Wars, it's that that universe is full of bad parents.

Well I chose to ignore episodes I-III.
 

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But imagine that backend also going to charity--what a jerk!

Just kidding. As much as he soured himself to the fanworld and kinda shit on eveyrthing he did--I always respected him for that.

I totally would have done the same thing, and intentionally, were I in his shoes. Thing is, it seems he honestly thought those prequels were great. Me...I would have made those shitty movies on purpose and told everyone to fuck off if they didn't like it, with that kind of power.


Haha, that's what I love about you zin.

KT
 

JEDI

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wtfbbq George lucas donating that $4B to charity?

what charity?

and why did he sell StarWars if he's just going to donate the $?
heck, he could have just donated Star Wars to that charity instead.

and they might have done a better job w/Episode VII
 

Eug

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Holy frack. Third weekend in the theatres and it still made nearly $90 million. This brings its domestic box office take to over $740 million and worldwide to over $1.5 billion.

BTW, it took Avatar two and a half months to get past $700 million domestic.
 

gorcorps

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Holy frack. Third weekend in the theatres and it still made nearly $90 million. This brings its domestic box office take to over $740 million and worldwide to over $1.5 billion.

BTW, it took Avatar two and a half months to get past $700 million domestic.
Makes sense, avatar as a movie was boring... Served as nothing more than a 3d tech showcase IMO. There's enough fans of star wars that anything that's even remotely good should get more repeat viewings out of those people.
 

Eug

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Avatar was a good movie. Even though I had some problems with it too, overall I felt it was a better movie than Star Wars VII.

I agreed Avatar deserved a Best Picture and Best Director Oscar nomination. I definitely would not nominate Star Wars VII for Best Picture.
 

zinfamous

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Holy frack. Third weekend in the theatres and it still made nearly $90 million. This brings its domestic box office take to over $740 million and worldwide to over $1.5 billion.

BTW, it took Avatar two and a half months to get past $700 million domestic.

Are those adjusted prices? I think that ticket prices have been more or less stable over the last 5 or so years, so maybe that doesn't matter?

Thing is, since Avatar, there are far, far more instances of FauxMax, IMAX, 3D, etc etc showing for movies that, honestly, have no goddamn reason to be shown in those conditions, but it's there.

So there has still been an increasing trend in greater prices due to, well, false value injection, as it were.

Now, under the same conditions of theater types and pricing, I wouldn't doubt that TFA outsells Avatar rather quickly.
 

Bubbleawsome

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I still think episodes 8 and 9 will be much better. This is basically rebuilding star wars after the EU and Prequels were mostly ignored.

Has it even opened in China yet? Regardless it's profits will keep climbing.
 
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