Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[Childs]

Yeah but look at the crusades, jihads, etc...some just a few hundred years ago, but forgotten in most people's minds. People's memories get wiped pretty dang quick. Heck, we're running out of Holocaust survivors & the number of Holocaust deniers seems to be growing by the day :thumbsdown:

Plus there's this gem:

https://twitter.com/VeryLonelyLuke/status/682131630308388864

A few hundred years is different from less than 30. And its a technologically advanced galaxy, so there would be records. Maybe the only thing that could make sense is if the Emperor did the equivalent of book burning in an attempt to change history, but there are many alien races that live hundreds of years, so it wouldnt be easy. And you still have Vader walking around force choking people. The timeline seems like there should be at least 1000 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope if someone as practical as Han dismisses the force as a hokey religion.

I was watching the Clone Wars TV show over the last couple weeks, and even Greedo was alive prior to the Jedi being wiped out. So was Baas and Boba. Too many people in Han's circles witnessed the Jedi and the force first hand.

 

[Homerboy]

Yeah but look at the crusades, jihads, etc...some just a few hundred years ago, but forgotten in most people's minds. People's memories get wiped pretty dang quick. Heck, we're running out of Holocaust survivors & the number of Holocaust deniers seems to be growing by the day :thumbsdown:

Plus there's this gem:

https://twitter.com/VeryLonelyLuke/status/682131630308388864

For what it's worth, Han never really denies that the Force is real, that it controls his desinty. That he hasn't seen anything to make him believe:

Han Solo: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Luke Skywalker: You don't believe in the Force, do you?

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.

 

[CZroe]

Eh? I think most people would assume that killing someone's own father would be distracting esp if it happens after a dialogue where the son is noting how he needs his dad to help him deal with an issue. The stated point of killing his father was to have an impact on him so it would make sense to be more focused (distracted) on the act and the immediate after effects on his own self. There are definitely some gaps in the movie but this one doesn't make the list IMO

I'm saying it was too easy and that it would be easy enough to do again that it's a major vulnerability. Just shoot him with a bowcaster!

 

[Kaido]

A few hundred years is different from less than 30. And its a technologically advanced galaxy, so there would be records. Maybe the only thing that could make sense is if the Emperor did the equivalent of book burning in an attempt to change history, but there are many alien races that live hundreds of years, so it wouldnt be easy. And you still have Vader walking around force choking people. The timeline seems like there should be at least 1000 years between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope if someone as practical as Han dismisses the force as a hokey religion.

I was watching the Clone Wars TV show over the last couple weeks, and even Greedo was alive prior to the Jedi being wiped out. So was Baas and Boba. Too many people in Han's circles witnessed the Jedi and the force first hand.

Hmm that's true, because there were a truckload of Jedi dudes running around when Anakin was growing up, then he took everyone out & became Vader, and his kids are what, in their late 20's maybe? 30's tops? So that'd be like remembering the 70's. Then again, it is a big galaxy...eh, can't look too deeply into it, I guess, even with as much world & universe-building that SW does.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.

And he's right. His mitochondria is lacking

 

[ViperXX]

Is it me or does the villan dude look alot like the guy from the Movie Grandma's Boy.

<Talk like a robot> - "Han is my father"

 

[Phoenix86]

Is it me or does the villan dude look alot like the guy from the Movie Grandma's Boy.

<Talk like a robot> - "Han is my father"

Thanks, I won't be able to unsee that now.

 

[Childs]

Hmm that's true, because there were a truckload of Jedi dudes running around when Anakin was growing up, then he took everyone out & became Vader, and his kids are what, in their late 20's maybe? 30's tops? So that'd be like remembering the 70's. Then again, it is a big galaxy...eh, can't look too deeply into it, I guess, even with as much world & universe-building that SW does.

Yeah, the more you look at anything the more holes you find. I always got the impression Luke was around 20 when A New Hope started, because of that thing where his friends were at school and he wanted to join them but had to stay home and work. Leia seemed more like mid 20s, but then they became twins so who knows. I also assumed the Jedi were wiped out over a long period of time and Vader whittled them down to nothing, but it pretty much happened in one day!

 

[BoberFett]

So I've read 10 of 30 pages of this thread, after finally seeing the movie two days ago. As a long time Star Wars fan, it is simple. Every time I saw things that I didn't like, or things that didn't make sense, or were rehashed, I thought back to Episodes 1-3. And I felt better. George Lucas had his chance to continue on with the saga, and he failed. Miserably. In every way imaginable. There was nothing good about Episodes 1-3. Nothing. So having him involved in this in any way would not have been good.

There's plenty to criticize about Episodes 4-6, but we still love them. Episode 7 is about on par.

That's about it for me as well. I finally saw it this weekend. As something of a Star Wars fan, I wasn't terribly excited for the new movies. I didn't think they were needed. The good guys won, the bad guys lost, and everything was resolved after the Ewoks saved the day.

I still don't think there was a need for more Star Wars movies, but they were going to happen with or without me. At least this one was better than the prequels. Lucas became a terrible director when he got big. Back when he was small time and people could say "NO" to him when he had a dumb idea, he was kept in check. American Graffiti was an amazing movie, as was Star Wars. With Jedi and the prequels, it all went to shit.

TFA had it's share of plot holes and eyeroll moments but it's also up against 30 years of expansions of Star Wars mythos. If one can separate themselves from it and compare TFA to SW, they're pretty comparable. That's part of the problem of course, it's basically a rehash, except now you're expected to know all these plot points that are apparently laid out in non-movie materials. Sorry, but these are movies to me. I'm not going to read books and websites, and watch cartoons to understand the story. The movies are the core, they should stand on their own.

Without doing my own rehashing of what everyone else has already said, it's a decent movie that attempts to carry on the Star Wars tradition and does so better than Lucas' last attempts.

5 > 4 > 6 > 7 >> 3 >> 2 >>>>>> 1

 

[Sonikku]

I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.

 

[BoberFett]

I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.

The story might have been OK, if the writing hadn't been so dry and they had skipped the 20 minute light saber duel. 1 was a travesty, 2 and 3 could have been done correctly but they weren't.

 

[Linux23]

I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.

Except for the last part "I have the higher ground" bs.

 

[A Casual Fitz]

I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.

I disagree. 3 should have been good but it was bogged down by poor dialog and the aforementioned way too long light saber fight.

 

[Aikouka]

I disagree. 3 should have been good but it was bogged down by poor dialog and the aforementioned way too long light saber fight.

How can you call this dialog poor!?

:sneaky:

 

[A Casual Fitz]

How can you call this dialog poor!?

:sneaky:

The laugh track helps

 

[gorcorps]

I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.

Any good that could be found in ep 3 (and there was very little) was completely ruined at the end.

Vader: "Where is Padme?"
Emperor: "YOU killed her"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO!"

There's so many things wrong with just this short scene it's embarrassing anybody could justify liking the movie. First, the completely awkward dialog of making Vader say "Padme" is cringe inducing. I'm not exaggerating, the first time I saw this movie this line made me wince... it was that awkward.

Then there's the confusion of Anakin who is clearly very strong with the force, but never even sensed when Padme died. It's happened several times in Star Wars, something awful happens somewhere and Yoda or someone will feel it and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They mirrored this in the new one when Han died, and you can see it in Leia's eyes (which was how they show the Skywalker family all is strong with the force, even if they aren't trained).

And of course everybody remembers THE moment: the worst thing to happen in the Star Wars prequels, and a fitting end to the giant pile of shit that Lucas served up to us for three straight movies. It was worse than midichlorians, worse than Jar Jar, worse than a 20 minute CGI lava fight, when we finally see what we've building up to for almost 7 hours of total prequel runtime. One of the most iconic villains in film history has completed his origin story and we see him in the mask and suit that he's made his own. Giddy with anticipation, we finally get to see how Darth Vader enters the world... and the fucker stumbles off the table like Frankenstein's monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" What a god awful waste of time.

There is no excusing what episode 3 did to Vader, none at all. It boggles the mind to think that any self respecting fan would like it... and I'm not even THAT big of a fan. It's just that bad

 

[Linux23]

Tell us how you really feel there gorcorps

 

[blankslate]

Is it me or does the villan dude look alot like the guy from the Movie Grandma's Boy.

<Talk like a robot> - "Han is my father"

That guy was so misunderstood... it's like Grandma's boy focused on the villain... but no one realized it.


_______________

 

[Childs]

Any good that could be found in ep 3 (and there was very little) was completely ruined at the end.

Vader: "Where is Padme?"
Emperor: "YOU killed her"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO!"

There's so many things wrong with just this short scene it's embarrassing anybody could justify liking the movie. First, the completely awkward dialog of making Vader say "Padme" is cringe inducing. I'm not exaggerating, the first time I saw this movie this line made me wince... it was that awkward.

Then there's the confusion of Anakin who is clearly very strong with the force, but never even sensed when Padme died. It's happened several times in Star Wars, something awful happens somewhere and Yoda or someone will feel it and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They mirrored this in the new one when Han died, and you can see it in Leia's eyes (which was how they show the Skywalker family all is strong with the force, even if they aren't trained).

And of course everybody remembers THE moment: the worst thing to happen in the Star Wars prequels, and a fitting end to the giant pile of shit that Lucas served up to us for three straight movies. It was worse than midichlorians, worse than Jar Jar, worse than a 20 minute CGI lava fight, when we finally see what we've building up to for almost 7 hours of total prequel runtime. One of the most iconic villains in film history has completed his origin story and we see him in the mask and suit that he's made his own. Giddy with anticipation, we finally get to see how Darth Vader enters the world... and the fucker stumbles off the table like Frankenstein's monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" What a god awful waste of time.

There is no excusing what episode 3 did to Vader, none at all. It boggles the mind to think that any self respecting fan would like it... and I'm not even THAT big of a fan. It's just that bad

For all we know Vader was hopped up on super drugs when Padme died. He was getting artificial limbs and a breathing apparatus, so I doubt he was even conscience. Ben only sensed the death of a planet, and Yoda sensed the death of all the Jedi, and when Anakin was pissed because his mother died. I dont think there has been an instance where a Jedi sensed an individual regular person death, only mass deaths or other Jedi. I dont count Leia feeling Han's death, because they were mates. People in real life claim they can do that. You're anger is unfounded, Revenge of the Sith is easily a 7/10. Granted, that last scene was corny...it would have better if he said nothing and did his force AOE thing, and Windu dying they way he did was lame, but thats only -2. I reserve another point in case there is something I'm forgetting, maybe the high ground thing, but overall its not bad!

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

For all we know Vader was hopped up on super drugs when Padme died. He was getting artificial limbs and a breathing apparatus, so I doubt he was even conscience. Ben only sensed the death of a planet, and Yoda sensed the death of all the Jedi, and when Anakin was pissed because his mother died. I dont think there has been an instance where a Jedi sensed an individual regular person death, only mass deaths or other Jedi. I dont count Leia feeling Han's death, because they were mates. People in real life claim they can do that. You're anger is unfounded, Revenge of the Sith is easily a 7/10. Granted, that last scene was corny...it would have better if he said nothing and did his force AOE thing, and Windu dying they way he did was lame, but thats only -2. I reserve another point in case there is something I'm forgetting, maybe the high ground thing, but overall its not bad!

From my point of view the Jedi are evil

 

[bradley]

I saw the Star Wars: The Force Awakens in the movies last week. I haven't read any reviews and therefore am relatively unbiased.

I thought Harrison Ford made the entire movie, but the supporting actors seemed to keep up decently enough. Though Carrie Fisher seemed to suck all the life from the movie in the second half. It was almost as though she rolled directly out of bed.

Otherwise I thought it was an amalgam of the first three releases that were test marketed and sanitized by Disney. I enjoyed seeing tiefighters making an appearance. I especially appreciated that this movie had actual dialog, a good attention to detail, not too many rapid edits and the special effects and soundtrack weren't gratuitous.

 

[gorcorps]

For all we know Vader was hopped up on super drugs when Padme died. He was getting artificial limbs and a breathing apparatus, so I doubt he was even conscience. Ben only sensed the death of a planet, and Yoda sensed the death of all the Jedi, and when Anakin was pissed because his mother died. I dont think there has been an instance where a Jedi sensed an individual regular person death, only mass deaths or other Jedi. I dont count Leia feeling Han's death, because they were mates. People in real life claim they can do that. You're anger is unfounded, Revenge of the Sith is easily a 7/10. Granted, that last scene was corny...it would have better if he said nothing and did his force AOE thing, and Windu dying they way he did was lame, but thats only -2. I reserve another point in case there is something I'm forgetting, maybe the high ground thing, but overall its not bad!

This will be noted as evidence of insanity during your trial.

You're welcome

 

[Slew Foot]

Not sure if its been mentioned yet but the planet Luke is on at the end of the movie is known as Ach-To and is the site of the first Jedi temple

 

[Sephire]

Ireland Wants Star Wars Fans to Visit Location Used in New Movie

http://time.com/4166951/star-wars-ireland-tourists/

*cue Rocky Theme Jedi training montage*

 

[Childs]

This will be noted as evidence of insanity during your trial.

You're welcome

OK, and Padme dying from a broken heart is -1, but then Yoda vs Emperor is +2. Score moves up to 8/10.