OK, and Padme dying from a broken heart is -1, but then Yoda vs Emperor is +2. Score moves up to 8/10.
I think 3 was better than 7. It was a story of internal corruption and the death of democracy, which was a much stronger story than the rehash of 4 that 7 did. In this case I think the better idea with weaker execution was mildly stronger than the weaker idea with better execution.
Not sure if its been mentioned yet but the planet Luke is on at the end of the movie is known as Ach-To and is the site of the first Jedi temple
That's part of the problem of course, it's basically a rehash, except now you're expected to know all these plot points that are apparently laid out in non-movie materials. Sorry, but these are movies to me. I'm not going to read books and websites, and watch cartoons to understand the story. The movies are the core, they should stand on their own.
These sequels are ignoring the Extended Universe, and rightly so IMHO. I haven't followed a lick of it, and don't care to. If it was an EU of an original book series upon which the movies were based, that would be one thing, but these are all books by third-parties who expanded a universe developed in a movie trilogy, without the original creator's involvement. They can do and say anything, so what's the point?
that sounds like a stupid place to hide if you're the last Jedi in the galaxy and you don't want anyone to find you.
Any good that could be found in ep 3 (and there was very little) was completely ruined at the end.
Vader: "Where is Padme?"
Emperor: "YOU killed her"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO!"
There's so many things wrong with just this short scene it's embarrassing anybody could justify liking the movie. First, the completely awkward dialog of making Vader say "Padme" is cringe inducing. I'm not exaggerating, the first time I saw this movie this line made me wince... it was that awkward.
Then there's the confusion of Anakin who is clearly very strong with the force, but never even sensed when Padme died. It's happened several times in Star Wars, something awful happens somewhere and Yoda or someone will feel it and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They mirrored this in the new one when Han died, and you can see it in Leia's eyes (which was how they show the Skywalker family all is strong with the force, even if they aren't trained).
And of course everybody remembers THE moment: the worst thing to happen in the Star Wars prequels, and a fitting end to the giant pile of shit that Lucas served up to us for three straight movies. It was worse than midichlorians, worse than Jar Jar, worse than a 20 minute CGI lava fight, when we finally see what we've building up to for almost 7 hours of total prequel runtime. One of the most iconic villains in film history has completed his origin story and we see him in the mask and suit that he's made his own. Giddy with anticipation, we finally get to see how Darth Vader enters the world... and the fucker stumbles off the table like Frankenstein's monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" What a god awful waste of time.
There is no excusing what episode 3 did to Vader, none at all. It boggles the mind to think that any self respecting fan would like it... and I'm not even THAT big of a fan. It's just that bad
Any good that could be found in ep 3 (and there was very little) was completely ruined at the end.
Vader: "Where is Padme?"
Emperor: "YOU killed her"
Vader: "NOOOOOOO!"
There's so many things wrong with just this short scene it's embarrassing anybody could justify liking the movie. First, the completely awkward dialog of making Vader say "Padme" is cringe inducing. I'm not exaggerating, the first time I saw this movie this line made me wince... it was that awkward.
Then there's the confusion of Anakin who is clearly very strong with the force, but never even sensed when Padme died. It's happened several times in Star Wars, something awful happens somewhere and Yoda or someone will feel it and you can see the sadness in their eyes. They mirrored this in the new one when Han died, and you can see it in Leia's eyes (which was how they show the Skywalker family all is strong with the force, even if they aren't trained).
And of course everybody remembers THE moment: the worst thing to happen in the Star Wars prequels, and a fitting end to the giant pile of shit that Lucas served up to us for three straight movies. It was worse than midichlorians, worse than Jar Jar, worse than a 20 minute CGI lava fight, when we finally see what we've building up to for almost 7 hours of total prequel runtime. One of the most iconic villains in film history has completed his origin story and we see him in the mask and suit that he's made his own. Giddy with anticipation, we finally get to see how Darth Vader enters the world... and the fucker stumbles off the table like Frankenstein's monster and yells "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" What a god awful waste of time.
There is no excusing what episode 3 did to Vader, none at all. It boggles the mind to think that any self respecting fan would like it... and I'm not even THAT big of a fan. It's just that bad
These sequels are ignoring the Extended Universe, and rightly so IMHO. I haven't followed a lick of it, and don't care to. If it was an EU of an original book series upon which the movies were based, that would be one thing, but these are all books by third-parties who expanded a universe developed in a movie trilogy, without the original creator's involvement. They can do and say anything, so what's the point?
Han's son looked incredibly dorky/emo looking for the offspring of a total bad ass. Kind of lame casting choice if you ask me..
Doesn't excuse the Darth Hissyfit persona that they captured in the Kylo Ren character.
HA! Yeah. That was my one real big nitpick. Harrison Ford was a cool mofo back in the day. I couldn't help but think the casting was totally off. But consider this....
Camera 1:
http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2015/herc/han1_medium.jpg
Camera 2:
http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/53f3bcb1ecad04730fc03eed-1200-924/adam-driver-gq-1.jpg
Ignoring the hair style...I can sort of see the casting choice.
Doesn't excuse the Darth Hissyfit persona that they captured in the Kylo Ren character. But the Son-O-Solo clearly has some ragey daddy issues.
You are all missing the overall theme that 7 presents. That history repeats repeatedly and the back and forth nature of the force.
The character of Kylo Ren is supposed to be about 30. The guy who plays him is an ex-Marine.
There was an Abrams interview where he stated something to the effect that this trilogy was about the creation of a villian, not a hero. So like in the original trilogy in which Luke started out as a whiny little bitch before becoming a hero, presumably Kylo is a whiny little bitch before becoming a villain.
Some might argue that this was done before in the prequels, but c'mon, everyone's complaint was that they DIDN'T show Anakin's fall, it was like the switch was flipped one day for reasons.
Maybe for the first minute, but then it drags on. 6/10.
Nothing, however, could've prepared me for AotC. AotC is one of the few movies I've ever seen that actually gets much, much worse the more you see it.
EDIT: And let's not forget what Lucas did to even further ruin RotJ on the Blu-ray release - inserting Vader's "Noooooooooooo!" screams during the climactic thrown room scene and then inserting Hayden Christensen as Vader's ghost.