Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

[ctark]

I think some of you misunderstand the force. You think because she can do a Jedi mind trick, and some other abilities that it put her on Lukes level in ROTJ. First of all there are many force sensitive beings that can use the force but don't know they are using the force. This was shown in Episode I with Anakin, and also has been explained in many books. Now I know what you are going to say... how did she know how to use a jedi mind trick. Well... how did the first Jedi that discovered it know how to use a jedi mind trick? Maybe because she is strong in the force, its just her nature to figure these things out. Palpatine was using the force before he even knew what it was. He could move objects, read minds, and kill people by throwing them out of anger. He didn't have any training and he wasn't a Sith at this point. You guys just lack imagination.

 

[destrekor]

I think some of you misunderstand the force. You think because she can do a Jedi mind trick, and some other abilities that it put her on Lukes level in ROTJ. First of all there are many force sensitive beings that can use the force but don't know they are using the force. This was shown in Episode I with Anakin, and also has been explained in many books. Now I know what you are going to say... how did she know how to use a jedi mind trick. Well... how did the first Jedi that discovered it know how to use a jedi mind trick? Maybe because she is strong in the force, its just her nature to figure these things out. Palpatine was using the force before he even knew what it was. He could move objects, read minds, and kill people by throwing them out of anger. He didn't have any training and he wasn't a Sith at this point. You guys just lack imagination.

As for her having used the mind trick, I saw it as her testing her abilities against the stories she had heard about Jedi. So, she was aware, in some capacity, of the trick and how it worked, and now she wanted to try it.

It wasn't working at first, thanks to not being trained, but desperation can lead to a lot of things, and she was able to find it inside herself.

 

[zinfamous]

As for her having used the mind trick, I saw it as her testing her abilities against the stories she had heard about Jedi. So, she was aware, in some capacity, of the trick and how it worked, and now she wanted to try it.

It wasn't working at first, thanks to not being trained, but desperation can lead to a lot of things, and she was able to find it inside herself.

I imagine that she also gleaned the potential of this power shortly before testing it, when Kylo interrogated her. She managed to sneak her way into his mind and see his thoughts: "You are afraid that you will never be as strong as Vader," and this seems to have surprised her a bit as I think her goal was simply to keep him out of her head.

After that little revelation, Rey was quickly able to calculate simple Star Wars math: 1 +1 = stupid storm trooper.

Both Kylo and Snoak understand that she is far more powerful than she imagines. I assume they also know her identity? Both Snoak and Kylo, when first told of some girl that helped the droid, immediately seek her out.

 

[destrekor]

I imagine that she also gleaned the potential of this power shortly before testing it, when Kylo interrogated her. She managed to sneak her way into his mind and see his thoughts: "You are afraid that you will never be as strong as Vader," and this seems to have surprised her a bit as I think her goal was simply to keep him out of her head.

After that little revelation, Rey was quickly able to calculate simple Star Wars math: 1 +1 = stupid storm trooper.

Both Kylo and Snoak understand that she is far more powerful than she imagines. I assume they also know her identity? Both Snoak and Kylo, when first told of some girl that helped the droid, immediately seek her out.

True, I forgot about her getting inside his head. Yeah, she definitely picked up major clues as to what lies within her.

I think Episode 8 should do wonderful things with Rey and Kylo. Very interested to see her background, as at this point it's basically assured she is not Leia's daughter.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

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[BlitzPuppet]

I think some of you misunderstand the force. You think because she can do a Jedi mind trick, and some other abilities that it put her on Lukes level in ROTJ. First of all there are many force sensitive beings that can use the force but don't know they are using the force. This was shown in Episode I with Anakin, and also has been explained in many books. Now I know what you are going to say... how did she know how to use a jedi mind trick. Well... how did the first Jedi that discovered it know how to use a jedi mind trick? Maybe because she is strong in the force, its just her nature to figure these things out. Palpatine was using the force before he even knew what it was. He could move objects, read minds, and kill people by throwing them out of anger. He didn't have any training and he wasn't a Sith at this point. You guys just lack imagination.

She is a Mary Sue, plain and simple.

Luke sucked in comparison in the original trilogy since he always needed someone's help (Obi-wan, Han, Leia, Yoda, Darth Vader, etc).

She just has this inherent ability to kick ass and "Don't need no man".

 

[Jaskalas]

She is a Mary Sue, plain and simple.

There are many many ways to progress the story from here, where that will simply not be true. EP7 was her discovery, now comes the pain.

 

[dainthomas]

When gut-shot by an upgraded Bow-Caster you are... fight as well, you will not.


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I'm amazed how one shot could throw storm troopers ten feet in the air and yet not even knock him over. I wonder if he was able to weaken the strength of it with the force or something?

 

[BlitzPuppet]

There are many many ways to progress the story from here, where that will simply not be true. EP7 was her discovery, now comes the pain.

Although Episode 7 was Luke's discovery, we didn't know as much as we do now about Jedi. But still, he wasn't running full force to fight stormtroopers and mind-tricking right off the bat.

Luke needs to be saved from bar thugs by Obi-Wan that are wanted in "12 systems" , Rey "Don't need no man!" when facing the nameless thugs that were trying to get the droid from her.

Yes, Luke was a farmer and she was a loner scavenger, but still. She took off like a dragracer while Luke in comparison is speeding away from the stoplight in his econobox.

 

[blankslate]

I'm amazed how one shot could throw storm troopers ten feet in the air and yet not even knock him over. I wonder if he was able to weaken the strength of it with the force or something?

I think, that right after killing his father he was a bit dazed and not fully aware, so he didn't have time to bring up his saber to deflect it and barely had time to braced himself with the force to keep from being knocked off the bridge.

Then he was using the force to stanch some of the bleeding while he chased down Finn and Rey. I think he also cut them off instead of catching up up from behind. If he wasn't using the force I don't think he walks off of the gangplank after being shot.

That's my hypothesis about how Kylo Ren was affected by the blast.


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[blankslate]

Luke sucked in comparison in the original trilogy since he always needed someone's help (Obi-wan, Han, Leia, Yoda, Darth Vader, etc).

Kylo Ren knocked Rey out before Finn fought him... If Finn wasn't there she'd be captured by Kylo Ren again... but she never needed any help...


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[BlitzPuppet]

Kylo Ren knocked Rey out before Finn fought him... If Finn wasn't there she'd be captured by Kylo Ren again... but she never needed any help...


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I'm really not trying to grasp at straws here but, that situation you mentioned is kind of a two way street. Finn would have died if she wasn't there, and she MAY have been captured if Finn wasn't.

As a whole though she really didn't need anyone's help in the beginning, when she needed to be rescued they found that she had already broken out, and when she was fighting with a lightsaber against Ben she completely kicked his ass.

I may be going too deep into this for my own good. I can say at least that this movie was better than some of the EU out there (Cloned palpatine, Clone bad guy Luke from his hand on Bespin)

 

[preslove]

She is a Mary Sue, plain and simple.

Luke sucked in comparison in the original trilogy since he always needed someone's help (Obi-wan, Han, Leia, Yoda, Darth Vader, etc).

She just has this inherent ability to kick ass and "Don't need no man".

So what? Luke is the ultimate mary sue in all of cinema history.

 

[Torn Mind]

I think some of you misunderstand the force. You think because she can do a Jedi mind trick, and some other abilities that it put her on Lukes level in ROTJ. First of all there are many force sensitive beings that can use the force but don't know they are using the force. This was shown in Episode I with Anakin, and also has been explained in many books. Now I know what you are going to say... how did she know how to use a jedi mind trick. Well... how did the first Jedi that discovered it know how to use a jedi mind trick? Maybe because she is strong in the force, its just her nature to figure these things out. Palpatine was using the force before he even knew what it was. He could move objects, read minds, and kill people by throwing them out of anger. He didn't have any training and he wasn't a Sith at this point. You guys just lack imagination.

All I am saying is that the way she suddenly executed it made my suspension of disbelief stop for a moment. The only way she figured it out so suddenly is if someone told invisibly to do a Jedi mind trick.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm really not trying to grasp at straws here but, that situation you mentioned is kind of a two way street. Finn would have died if she wasn't there, and she MAY have been captured if Finn wasn't.

As a whole though she really didn't need anyone's help in the beginning, when she needed to be rescued they found that she had already broken out, and when she was fighting with a lightsaber against Ben she completely kicked his ass.

I may be going too deep into this for my own good. I can say at least that this movie was better than some of the EU out there (Cloned palpatine, Clone bad guy Luke from his hand on Bespin)

That is still my favorite part of the flick--her grabbing the lightsaber from the snow and then snapping it on for the first time. (kinda like Kylo taking his mask off too soon, I wish this was the first time you see Luke/Vader's saber activated in TFA), and the ensuing battle.

But I know I'm not the only one that was hoping to see--despite the absurd BS with plotting that we would inevitably be arguing about now--that Lightsaber skip over Kylo and end up in Luke's hand. I would have shit my pants.

problem with that (unless the film didn't end right on that shot), is that of course Kylo would have to be dead in 5 seconds.

 

[dainthomas]

All I am saying is that the way she suddenly executed it made my suspension of disbelief stop for a moment. The only way she figured it out so suddenly is if someone told invisibly to do a Jedi mind trick.

I just figured she already had the basics of it from when she was a very young padawan at Luke's school. And it started to come back to her as Luke's memory block was wearing off.

 

[Fritzo]

She is a Mary Sue, plain and simple.

Picked up a term from the Internet, did ya?

 

[BlitzPuppet]

But I know I'm not the only one that was hoping to see--despite the absurd BS with plotting that we would inevitably be arguing about now--that Lightsaber skip over Kylo and end up in Luke's hand. I would have shit my pants.

problem with that (unless the film didn't end right on that shot), is that of course Kylo would have to be dead in 5 seconds.

That would have honestly been bad ass, and imply that she was important enough to come out of hiding for.

Picked up a term from the Internet, did ya?

This is one of those films that you have to say it to

 

[Eymar]

All I am saying is that the way she suddenly executed it made my suspension of disbelief stop for a moment. The only way she figured it out so suddenly is if someone told invisibly to do a Jedi mind trick.

She was just interrogated by Kylo who was probably using the Force to read/influence her mind so she is at least aware of the power.

 

[zinfamous]

That would have honestly been bad ass, and imply that she was important enough to come out of hiding for.



This is one of those films that you have to say it to

That's what I thought was going to happen when you see the hilt tugging in the snow--you know, the Wampa scene on Hoth? within that same 3 seconds, I was like, "Luke! Oh wait--that would be retarded--But IDGAF it's fucking LUKE!"


I started tearing up for that reveal.

 

[Ichinisan]

So what? Luke is the ultimate mary sue in all of cinema history.

Sure, Like is a "chosen one" type of protagonist, but not 100% "Mary Sue."

There are much worse Mary Sue characters out there. Watch Jack Reacher.

 

[zinfamous]

All I am saying is that the way she suddenly executed it made my suspension of disbelief stop for a moment. The only way she figured it out so suddenly is if someone told invisibly to do a Jedi mind trick.

I like the idea that she just now learned how to do it, or at least give it a try--when she inadvertently tunneled into Kylo's mind only moments before.

On second viewing--the film satisfactorily explains away most of the common misgivings from the nitpickers.


Also--they did not have time to repair C3PO's red arm, so that last shot of him waving was very likely a goof. The scene just before that, when R2 switches on, Threepio still has the red arm.


...unless the time between showing the completed map and Rey flying off is something like 1 or more weeks? (probably needed all that time to stock the millenium falcon with Jedi snacks, knowing that Luke is probably hungry by now).

This also reminds me--Looks like Rey is essentially replacing Luke and Han, with Chewie as her first mate? Georgie's original story treatment for Star Wars featured The Luke and Han characters as one individual. Basically Han Solo and his personality, but also with latent powers. I think that was when he was first called Luke Starkiller or something like that.

I wonder if that was in Kasdan and Abrams (and the other guy--the one that originally wrote the story and draft for TFA) minds when crafting that new dynamic?

 

[Fritzo]

That would have honestly been bad ass, and imply that she was important enough to come out of hiding for.



This is one of those films that you have to say it to

That term literally didn't exist anywhere other than the bowels of a Trekkie forum for 20+ years, and then someone mentioned it as a comparison of Rey in the Star Wars movie. Now everyone is using it like they came up with the idea. It just kind of grinds my gears

 

[zinfamous]

That term literally didn't exist anywhere other than the bowels of a Trekkie forum for 20+ years, and then someone mentioned it as a comparison of Rey in the Star Wars movie. Now everyone is using it like they came up with the idea. It just kind of grinds my gears

heh. That post from about 15 minutes ago is the first time I've ever heard that expression.

 

[Ichinisan]

I like the idea that she just now learned how to do it, or at least give it a try--when she inadvertently tunneled into Kylo's mind only moments before.

On second viewing--the film satisfactorily explains away most of the common misgivings from the nitpickers.


Also--they did not have time to repair C3PO's red arm, so that last shot of him waving was very likely a goof. The scene just before that, when R2 switches on, Threepio still has the red arm.


...unless the time between showing the completed map and Rey flying off is something like 1 or more weeks? (probably needed all that time to stock the millenium falcon with Jedi snacks, knowing that Luke is probably hungry by now).

This also reminds me--Looks like Rey is essentially replacing Luke and Han, with Chewie as her first mate? Georgie's original story treatment for Star Wars featured The Luke and Han characters as one individual. Basically Han Solo and his personality, but also with latent powers. I think that was when he was first called Luke Starkiller or something like that.

I wonder if that was in Kasdan and Abrams (and the other guy--the one that originally wrote the story and draft for TFA) minds when crafting that new dynamic?

Are "Jedi Snacks(tm)" something like Scooby Snacks?