Gotta be kidding me. I've never read fanfiction or participated in any sci-fi/fantasy forum, but I understood "Mary Sue" from my enthusiasm for cinema.
The term is almost as well-known as "jumping the shark" (nuking the fridge) or "McGuffin."
That term literally didn't exist anywhere other than the bowels of a Trekkie forum for 20+ years, and then someone mentioned it as a comparison of Rey in the Star Wars movie. Now everyone is using it like they came up with the idea. It just kind of grinds my gears
So what? Luke is the ultimate mary sue in all of cinema history.
That term literally didn't exist anywhere other than the bowels of a Trekkie forum for 20+ years, and then someone mentioned it as a comparison of Rey in the Star Wars movie. Now everyone is using it like they came up with the idea. It just kind of grinds my gears
That term literally didn't exist anywhere other than the bowels of a Trekkie forum for 20+ years, and then someone mentioned it as a comparison of Rey in the Star Wars movie. Now everyone is using it like they came up with the idea. It just kind of grinds my gears
Gotta be kidding me. I've never read fanfiction or participated in any sci-fi/fantasy forum, but I understood "Mary Sue" from my enthusiasm for cinema.
The term is almost as well-known as "jumping the shark" (nuking the fridge) or "McGuffin."
Plausible explanation.I like the idea that she just now learned how to do it, or at least give it a try--when she inadvertently tunneled into Kylo's mind only moments before.
On second viewing--the film satisfactorily explains away most of the common misgivings from the nitpickers.
Also--they did not have time to repair C3PO's red arm, so that last shot of him waving was very likely a goof. The scene just before that, when R2 switches on, Threepio still has the red arm.
...unless the time between showing the completed map and Rey flying off is something like 1 or more weeks? (probably needed all that time to stock the millenium falcon with Jedi snacks, knowing that Luke is probably hungry by now).
This also reminds me--Looks like Rey is essentially replacing Luke and Han, with Chewie as her first mate? Georgie's original story treatment for Star Wars featured The Luke and Han characters as one individual. Basically Han Solo and his personality, but also with latent powers. I think that was when he was first called Luke Starkiller or something like that.
I wonder if that was in Kasdan and Abrams (and the other guy--the one that originally wrote the story and draft for TFA) minds when crafting that new dynamic?
I like the idea that she just now learned how to do it, or at least give it a try--when she inadvertently tunneled into Kylo's mind only moments before.
On second viewing--the film satisfactorily explains away most of the common misgivings from the nitpickers.
Also--they did not have time to repair C3PO's red arm, so that last shot of him waving was very likely a goof. The scene just before that, when R2 switches on, Threepio still has the red arm.
...unless the time between showing the completed map and Rey flying off is something like 1 or more weeks? (probably needed all that time to stock the millenium falcon with Jedi snacks, knowing that Luke is probably hungry by now).
This also reminds me--Looks like Rey is essentially replacing Luke and Han, with Chewie as her first mate? Georgie's original story treatment for Star Wars featured The Luke and Han characters as one individual. Basically Han Solo and his personality, but also with latent powers. I think that was when he was first called Luke Starkiller or something like that.
I wonder if that was in Kasdan and Abrams (and the other guy--the one that originally wrote the story and draft for TFA) minds when crafting that new dynamic?
Plausible explanation.
But the movie still paused for me during the moment, meaning that I was no longer in the movie's world, but back to reality. After the scene, I was back in the fictional world, following the tale.
It's not a matter of enjoyment. It's just that I stopped being "in" the movie for that brief moment, but got back in the flow as soon as Kylo went in and had that temper tantrum.Those moments bothered me briefly at first, then a little bit more over the next couple of days, but it never took me out of enjoying the film.
I think the best explanation is that we were given ample evidence that she almost certainly received some training at a young age and was abandoned (most likely by Luke) to keep her hidden from the Knights of Ren.
Is Kylo supposed to be that much older than her, though? I suppose it is a decent age--let's say she is supposed to be 18/19, then he would need to be ~30 to make for a plausible enough gap in time for her to be abandoned/memory wiped at age 8 or 10. That's about how young she looked in the flashback; maybe younger?
But if she was hidden from Kylo and the Sith, would he not have any memory of her? Or did Luke train her away from the others and against their knowledge?
I was thinking that it's possible that she is Kylo's twin (no longer canon, but Han and Leia did have twins in those after-stories; still, this series is borrowing from previous canon.), but I think they are supposed to have a serious age gap. Or she was born later, and hidden away after Kylo went off for training. Anyway, that is all very implausible to me because I would think that neither Han nor Leia would have kept that from her in this episode.
Obi-wan's kid? maybe; but that requires a ton of back story and information that, if introduced or explained in the next two episodes, requires a lot of invention considering what is canon, no?
Rey is a little bit too competent. She knows the Falcom very well, which makes no sense unless there is another ship on Jakku she scavenged through that was similar.
She is a Mary Sue, plain and simple.
Luke sucked in comparison in the original trilogy since he always needed someone's help (Obi-wan, Han, Leia, Yoda, Darth Vader, etc).
She just has this inherent ability to kick ass and "Don't need no man".
Gotta be kidding me. I've never read fanfiction or participated in any sci-fi/fantasy forum, but I understood "Mary Sue" from my enthusiasm for cinema.
The term is almost as well-known as "jumping the shark" (nuking the fridge) or "McGuffin."
Also--they did not have time to repair C3PO's red arm, so that last shot of him waving was very likely a goof. The scene just before that, when R2 switches on, Threepio still has the red arm.
So I missed something completely, wtf is the deal with his red arm?
Yeah, it's a common term associated with writing styles/characters.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarySue
Side note, but what was the term for a hidden prince type character? I can't quite remember what name was given to those characters.
Side note, but what was the term for a hidden prince type character? I can't quite remember what name was given to those characters.
Isn't there a character like this in Game of Thrones. A bastard son of Robert Baratheon who was working as a black smith I think and then . . . got taken by slavers maybe?Hidden backup prince, like Lone Star in Spaceballs.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HiddenBackupPrince
BTW, the site is pretty good to go through as far as writing tropes.
She knows the Falcom very well, which makes no sense unless there is another ship on Jakku she scavenged through that was similar.
I'm really not trying to grasp at straws here but, that situation you mentioned is kind of a two way street. Finn would have died if she wasn't there, and she MAY have been captured if Finn wasn't.
I imagine that she also gleaned the potential of this power shortly before testing it, when Kylo interrogated her. She managed to sneak her way into his mind and see his thoughts: "You are afraid that you will never be as strong as Vader," and this seems to have surprised her a bit as I think her goal was simply to keep him out of her head.
On second viewing--the film satisfactorily explains away most of the common misgivings from the nitpickers.
I watched the movie last Saturday. When Rey Jedi mind -tricked that stormtrooper, my suspension of disbelief paused right there and I am feeling the how? question in my mind.
I think the best explanation is that we were given ample evidence that she almost certainly received some training at a young age and was abandoned (most likely by Luke) to keep her hidden from the Knights of Ren.
Is Kylo supposed to be that much older than her, though? I suppose it is a decent age--let's say she is supposed to be 18/19, then he would need to be ~30 to make for a plausible enough gap in time for her to be abandoned/memory wiped at age 8 or 10. That's about how young she looked in the flashback; maybe younger?
as for her piloting... well it's probably the same reason some other force users were good pilots.
Isn't there a character like this in Game of Thrones. A bastard son of Robert Baratheon who was working as a black smith I think and then . . . got taken by slavers maybe?
What ample evidence? We're given a 30 second flashback scene and that's about it. Albeit, there's no real evidence that those are Rey's memories as I get the feeling that Rey was never in some abandoned Cloud City.
It was stated in the visual novel that she has a Y-wing computer on which she ran flight simulations.
Yep they needed each other's help... It seems like Mary Sue (or Gary Stu) characters don't need much help from others the way people use it to criticize fictional characters they don't want to like.
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