Star Wars: The Force Awakens reviews *SPOILERS*

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CZroe

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What the hell are you talking about, TPM got 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. You're just saying words and not backing anything up with any kind of empirical data.

Oh really? Did you even look at the date on half of those?

I've already cited Red Letter Media making the claim. I've already pointed to Roger Ebert. We've already discussed Kevin Smith's 180-degree change from his old opinion. There's no shortage of examples:
http://www.gamesradar.com/star-wars-episode-1-phantom-menace-reviews/

Even the official Star Wars website has a white-washing article on the phenomenon:
http://www.starwars.com/news/critical-opinion-the-phantom-menace-original-reviews

Someone has failed to back up their claims, but it ain't me.

Eberts follow-up to his 4.5 of 5 star SW EPI:TPM review explains the phenomenon perfectly:
http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journal/full-force-is-behind-effects-not-the-story

He says that camps are split into those impressed by the visuals and those who can't get over the other faults to enjoy it. What happens when technology progresses and the visuals no longer stand out? The camp that likes it for the visuals loses their voice/point and the true value of the movie for its remaining qualities becomes apparent.

Who's "just saying words" again?
 
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Ichinisan

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What the hell are you talking about, TPM got 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. You're just saying words and not backing anything up with any kind of empirical data.

Rotten Tomatoes didn't exist when TPM was released.
 

Charmonium

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I don't know about people gushing over Episode I, the first mention of midichlorians bothered me... then after I had a few days to think about it really irritated me because it was unnecessary.
I sort of liked that because it was such a blatant rip-off of mitochondria. So I thought it end up being something educational.
 

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What the hell are you talking about, TPM got 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. You're just saying words and not backing anything up with any kind of empirical data.

Most of those are historical reviews. A lot of people loved Episode I when it first came out and went to see it multiple times. I have a feeling history may treat TFA in a similar way.

KT
 

ControlD

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Most of those are historical reviews. A lot of people loved Episode I when it first came out and went to see it multiple times. I have a feeling history may treat TFA in a similar way.

KT

People over the age of 10?

I'm not sure I have ever met an adult that claimed to like Episode I, even back in the day.
 

Homerboy

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Most of those are historical reviews. A lot of people loved Episode I when it first came out and went to see it multiple times. I have a feeling history may treat TFA in a similar way.

KT

I'll take that bet. I think TFA will hold up quite well over time. Assuming 8 and 9 and the anthology ones don't suck. TFA is FULLY entertaining. It certainly has flaws and issues with the continuity/storyline, but the movie itself is entertaining and is as "Star Wars" as any of the other movies.

People over the age of 10?

I'm not sure I have ever met an adult that claimed to like Episode I, even back in the day.

Ex-fucking-actly. I don't know a single adult that loved EP1 when it was released. Their opinions may have downgraded from a "meh" to a "pure shit", but I don't recall anyone saying "OMG IT WAS AWESOME" like most I know have said with TFA.
 

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People over the age of 10?

I'm not sure I have ever met an adult that claimed to like Episode I, even back in the day.

They would have been teenagers at the time and I've heard quite a few people say it; it was more once Episode II came out that people started hating on the prequels so much.

KT
 

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I'll take that bet. I think TFA will hold up quite well over time. Assuming 8 and 9 and the anthology ones don't suck. TFA is FULLY entertaining. It certainly has flaws and issues with the continuity/storyline, but the movie itself is entertaining and is as "Star Wars" as any of the other movies.

You guys are blinded by nostalgia and hatred for the prequels. It's a bad movie.

KT
 

ControlD

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You guys are blinded by nostalgia and hatred for the prequels. It's a bad movie.

KT

We went to see it about a month ago I guess, and I didn't think it was "bad", nor did I think it was great. What I do think is that the movie is almost completely forgettable. I hardly remember any details about the movie a month later.

That could be my old brain malfunctioning I guess. Maybe that's why people need to see it multiple times.
 

KeithTalent

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We went to see it about a month ago I guess, and I didn't think it was "bad", nor did I think it was great. What I do think is that the movie is almost completely forgettable. I hardly remember any details about the movie a month later.

That could be my old brain malfunctioning I guess. Maybe that's why people need to see it multiple times.

Agree, totally forgettable.

KT
 

Sonikku

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You guys are blinded by nostalgia and hatred for the prequels. It's a bad movie.

KT

Why is it everything is always bad or amazing around here? For me I'd give it a 6. Mediocre.

Some of you guys need to see Highlander the Source to know what a big fat 0 is.
 

cronos

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Why is it everything is always bad or amazing around here? For me I'd give it a 6. Mediocre.

Some of you guys need to see Highlander the Source to know what a big fat 0 is.

Not five posts above you is already someone who said it's not great but it's not bad either.
 

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Hey, it's better than The Avengers movies!

And take out the Han vs. the CGI monsters on his space frigate video game sequence and it would be like Dr Zhivago in comparison.

I really enjoyed the first Avengers movie.

Why is it everything is always bad or amazing around here? For me I'd give it a 6. Mediocre.

Some of you guys need to see Highlander the Source to know what a big fat 0 is.

I rate all kinds of stuff right down the middle. This movie was worse than mediocre in my opinion.

KT
 

ctark

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Why is it everything is always bad or amazing around here? For me I'd give it a 6. Mediocre.

Some of you guys need to see Highlander the Source to know what a big fat 0 is.

I've seen this and you are completely wrong. It is not even worthy of an integer.
 

CZroe

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Not five posts above you is already someone who said it's not great but it's not bad either.


...and that's all I've ever said. I believe I gave it a 5.5 or 6 of 10. This perception of polarization is created by the film's defenders attacking every criticism someone has, even if that critic isn't saying that it's terrible. Critic = detractor, detractor = hater, hater = horrible person who must be shunned, shamed, and silenced!
 

zinfamous

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Why is it everything is always bad or amazing around here? For me I'd give it a 6. Mediocre.

Some of you guys need to see Highlander the Source to know what a big fat 0 is.

loo. that movie is fucking horrible.

I thought it could never get worse than Highlander 2, but man was I impressed by what The Source achieved.

 
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