Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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spacejamz

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And on the shield thing...the shield on hoth was a larger scale one that seemed to protect alot more area (didn't they have to turn it off to fire their ion cannon?)...the one in TLJ seemed to only protect the door (from what I gathered, but I could be wrong on this)...
 

spacejamz

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I kept scratching my head at the bombers as well. In all the other lore (games, books and movies) the bombers were firing off missiles (or proton torpedoes) not dropping them as if we're in WWII. I guess they wanted to have a OMG moment in the beginning. If nothing else it's amusing to listen to everyone come up with reasons why gravity worked.

I did read somewhere after I posted that they were magnetic bombs...I guess they activated the magnetics after they left the bomb bay?

and why was the bomb release switch on a remote control? shouldn't it have been on a panel?

I am spending way too much time thinking about this stuff...LOL
 

K1052

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They still could have landed the ATAT's and cannon at the spot where they fired the cannon from (where Fin tried to ram it). The shield was still up this point since the cannon had not been fired yet...I know they intentionally landed that far away to add drama to the scene but you would think in real life, they would have tried to get closer to the base than they did....

I assume the cannon had to be dragged inside the shield permiter before it would be effective. Since this concept seems to be consistent with ESB I don’t have a problem with it myself.
 

K1052

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And on the shield thing...the shield on hoth was a larger scale one that seemed to protect alot more area (didn't they have to turn it off to fire their ion cannon?)...the one in TLJ seemed to only protect the door (from what I gathered, but I could be wrong on this)...

Hoth appeared to be a much larger facility FWIW. The energy shield protects from bombardment but the blast doors guard the base on the ground. I got the impression that the door on Crait would have resisted walker fire.

The shield on Hoth had to be deactivated in short intervals for transports to leave and the ion cannon to fire on the star destroyers.
 

Fritzo

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The actor who played Ackbar died between VII and VIII. Sure they could have had someone else do the voice but it might have been out of respect for the actor to not do that and just decided to introduce a new character. That being said they should have made the characters death a bigger deal.

ANYONE could have voiced Ackbar. I CAN DO A MEAN ACKBAR. One of Rogue One's main stars was a guy that has been dead for decades, so don't give me that!
 

Red Storm

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ANYONE could have voiced Ackbar. I CAN DO A MEAN ACKBAR. One of Rogue One's main stars was a guy that has been dead for decades, so don't give me that!
Yeah, it's just Disney trying to clear out the old characters and introduce new ones... and to a lesser extant, put some more female protagonists in the spotlight.
 

paperfist

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Super disagree with this. He didn't sense any darkness growing in Rey. He noticed she went towards the dark side nexus looking for answers without resisting. Similar? Perhaps but there's a huge difference.

Also, Luke-Vader and Luke-Ben Solo is not the same thing, he sensed good in Vader. He sensed growing evil in Ben Solo. It seemed that he was taken by surprise by the darkness in Ben, and reacted accordingly, pulling himself back too late and realizing he failed his apprentice.

Extremely different dynamic.

He trained Kylo presumably for a while, possibly since he was a child. He kinda trained Rey for a couple of days and noted a scary darkness in her.

He spent more time with Yoda then Rey
 

Homerboy

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When Rey goes into the cave. WTF was the point of that? Literally NOTHING transpired or was revealed (to her or to us, the audience)

I'm seeing it again this Saturday (family rents out a theater every year for the new movie). I have to say, I'm not overly looking forward to it. Though the theater does have delicious chicken wings and fries at least.
 

Chromagnus

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When Rey goes into the cave. WTF was the point of that? Literally NOTHING transpired or was revealed (to her or to us, the audience)

I'm seeing it again this Saturday (family rents out a theater every year for the new movie). I have to say, I'm not overly looking forward to it. Though the theater does have delicious chicken wings and fries at least.

I interpreted that scene to be her exploring the dark side. She new the dark side was there and she went anyways, she went looking for something. Ultimately the dark side didn't have any answers for her, she found nothing within the power that was there and so she didn't end up embracing it the way others did. Some look to the dark side and find the answers they want but she didn't.

Just my interpretation though, I'm sure others have their own view on it.
 

Franz316

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When Rey goes into the cave. WTF was the point of that? Literally NOTHING transpired or was revealed (to her or to us, the audience)

I'm seeing it again this Saturday (family rents out a theater every year for the new movie). I have to say, I'm not overly looking forward to it. Though the theater does have delicious chicken wings and fries at least.

You should just pig out, shut your eyes and bring an audio book to listen to. It'll surely be more enjoyable.
 

Skel

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I did read somewhere after I posted that they were magnetic bombs...I guess they activated the magnetics after they left the bomb bay?

and why was the bomb release switch on a remote control? shouldn't it have been on a panel?

I am spending way too much time thinking about this stuff...LOL

I'm not sure I can go with Magnets.. I could if they were launched and then went flying towards the superawesomepowerfuldestoryer ship, but these fell out of the bombers and then seemed to drift down towards the superawesomepowerfuldestoryer ship as if they were in normal air. You'd think it'd be on a panel, but that would ruin the moment of more gravity as she had to kick the ladder so it fell towards here.. again like gravity on a planet..
 

zerocool84

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You choose strange points to back up your argument...
TLJ does give us Rey's backstory. You may not like what it gave, but it's there. It's oddly similar to your Empire Strikes Back example.

You were okay with the Emperor being replaced in the movie immediately after he was killed in the last one by what seems to be the exact same character with no explanation whatsoever?

I wasn't. It's a huge failing of The Force Awakens because instead of a brand new trilogy where it's okay to leave questions we already had a HUGE backstory that this new character has to cram into and honestly doesn't fit at all.

My problem is that Snoke was killed off like nothing. He is literally the reason why any of this is happening and they kill him off as if he was a third rate character. There's no threat for the next movie. Kylo Ren is not a good bad guy.

Also Rey's parents were important enough in TFA to make mention of it. If they originally didn't matter, it would have never come up. For them to be literally nothing is yet again Rian Johnson just doing his own thing instead of following what Force Awakens set up. You can plainly tell this trilogy is being written as they film the movies.

This movie would have been fine as it's own standalone movie, not a second part of a three story arc.
 

paperfist

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When Rey goes into the cave. WTF was the point of that? Literally NOTHING transpired or was revealed (to her or to us, the audience)

I'm seeing it again this Saturday (family rents out a theater every year for the new movie). I have to say, I'm not overly looking forward to it. Though the theater does have delicious chicken wings and fries at least.

You can rent a theater?!?! They have chicken wings and fries? Where the heck do you live? I'm moving there! All I get is crappy popcorn, candy or slushies
 

Ancalagon44

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I interpreted that scene to be her exploring the dark side. She new the dark side was there and she went anyways, she went looking for something. Ultimately the dark side didn't have any answers for her, she found nothing within the power that was there and so she didn't end up embracing it the way others did. Some look to the dark side and find the answers they want but she didn't.

Just my interpretation though, I'm sure others have their own view on it.

I personally think stuff like this is as a result of people overthinking this recent trilogy, and perhaps it could be said that we are also overthinking Star Wars as a whole.

You know, there are thousands of videos on YouTube about who Rey is and who Snoke is. Then this movies comes out, and you realize that none of those videos matter or are even relevant at all.

The reason being, these theories that we craft are built on the assumption that things like who Rey and Snoke are was known in advance. If George Lucas was writing it, hey may have known in advance, because he would have planned it. With this trilogy, with the writer changing every movie, canon depends on what the writer is feeling that day, not some grand plan to have Rey revealed as being R2-D2 and C3PO's love child.

There is no plan, in other words, so theory crafting is pointless. You are giving too much credit to the writers - they simply did not think about any of this stuff.
 

Exterous

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and why was the bomb release switch on a remote control? shouldn't it have been on a panel?

Or voice controlled. I can control all kinds of dumb little things in my house. Meanwhile they figured out droids but not "Alexa, drop bombs"
 

Starbuck1975

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Not sure what to think about TLJ. Some pockets of the movie worked, but overall it was an incoherent mess. I generally liked TFA, but only as a setup for the new trilogy. Now that I've seen TLJ, its actually lowered my opinion of TFA.

Here is my ranking of all the SW movies:

5 > 4 > 6 > R1 > 3 > 7 > 8 > 2 > 1

Sorry to say TLJ doesn't hold a candle to the OT, and R1 was a far superior SW movie.

Here are my gripes, which others already covered as well:

The whole bomber scene, while visually cool, made no sense. Given we've already seen Y-Wings and B-Wings serve as bombers, not sure why you need big lumbering WW2 style bombers.

The hyperspace tracking nonsense existed solely to give Finn and Rose something to do.

The whole "First Order can't catch the rebel fleet" but yet remained the same distance the entire time made no sense. If Kylo Ren and two Tie Fighters can take out the hanger and bridge, why couldn't a swarm of them take out the engines. That they are playing chase for the whole movie and just happen upon a planet with an old rebel base was just lazy writing.

Leia doing a Mary Poppins back into the ship was dumb as all hell. Given that Carrie Fisher passed, would have been a gutsy move to kill Leia then and there.

Ackbar's death. WTF.

Poe is no Wedge Antilles.

The whole Canto Bight sequence reminded me of the prequels. Aimless scenes trying to provide political commentary, with CGI overkill.

The DJ and Holdo characters added nothing. I suppose there was supposed to be tension around their loyalties, which was done far better with Lando in ESB.

They make the First Order officers comic relief buffoons. The imperial officers in the OT were far more menacing. Admiral Piett was a great villain - opportunistic, competent and believable as part of a galaxy conquering and oppressive military machine.

Which brings me to Rose and Finn. I know they exist to give a grunt level view in a universe of legends, but again the OT and even R1 did a better job of this. All the Rebel pilots killed in the OT, and the characters of R1, are more memorable than Rose or Finn. Which is a shame, because they were both good actors and their characters have potential.

Phasma went out like Boba Fett, which kind of makes sense. Cool looking character that writers don't know what to do with.

Hyperspace kamikazee? Sounds like a good idea but fundamentally breaks Star Wars. Why not hyperspace kamikazee droid piloted ships through the Death Star?

Force projection Luke was a wasted opportunity, especially since they took the time to show his X-wing preserved underwater. Should have had Luke fly in, take out a few walkers and then go all Ben Kenobi and force ghost in a duel with Kylo.

How the hell did Rey get on the Falcon after escaping Kylo?

The only redeeming part of the whole movie is the tension between Rey and Kylo. I really like how they played with the idea of Rey naively seeking the dark side and it not holding any answers for her. They nailed the throne room scene and Kylo killing Snoke genuinely surprised me. I also like that Kylo didn't necessarily turn to the dark side, and that he has a legitimate beef with the past and his goal is to eradicate it and create balance, similiar to Vader at the end of ESB.

The Maz scene was awesome too.

Here is what I would have done. Same opening. Rebel fleet escaping, but have fighters provide delay cover. You can still have Rose's sister as a pilot, maybe she kamikazees into the dreadnaught cannon like the A-wing pilot in ROTJ, allowing the fleet to escape.

Rebel fleet jumps to Crait. First Order does not follow. Base is in disrepair. Rose feels guilt and sorrow over her sister's death, wants to be more active. Base needs parts to restore shield. Finn and Rose get sent to get parts, maybe Leia sends them to Lando, who once again is a player on the fringes of the Star Wars galaxy.

Finn and Rose get to see the unseen hand of profiteers in the war, maybe a First Order agent finds them or puts tracking device on their ship. They encourage Lando to pull together friendlies to the Resistance.

Retain all the Luke, Rey and Kylo scenes. Make it more like ESB, with Rey going off to face Kylo alone. Keep the Yoda scene but add Ewan Obi-Wan as well.

They return to Crait. First Order tracks and jumps in. Ground assault to take out base.

First Order is about to win. Luke jumps in with X-Wing, takes out a few walkers, gets shot down. Faces Kylo in combat. Does the Obi-Wan sacrifice.

In the ensuing chaos, remaining Rebels board the Falcon. Rendezvous with Lando, who is waiting with a fleet of ships and fighters, do a fly over like end of ESB with fleet flying off.

Cut to little boy who is watching the fleet depart, is wearing an Alliance ring.
 
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Homerboy

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You can rent a theater?!?! They have chicken wings and fries? Where the heck do you live? I'm moving there! All I get is crappy popcorn, candy or slushies

Yes - it's a "bistro" theater. $400 for the theater (you're basically buying all the seats)
Full menu of "pub-grill" style food
Waiters to serve you etc.
http://www.marcustheatres.com/menus/bsb-majestic-brookfield

Pretty common around here. I only go to these for a 2nd viewing (where I'm not THAT interested in the movie).
 

local

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Here is what I would have done.

Not bad at all and much better than the actual movie.

One thing I would add is that the New Republic is not instant collapsed but after being decapitated the remaining powers and scattered fleets rally behind Leia which makes it a much more even fight. Instead of having a dozen resistance members left at the end you have Leia taking on the role of leader of the scattered, demoralized and uncoordinated Republic Forces. I think that sets up a better clash for the final movie than the inevitable having a couple people take out the First Order leadership and they collapse instantly as well.

Basically I was looking for them to treat Leia in a kind of Winston Churchill way casting her out when at peace then she comes back when needed for the war.
 
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What line is he referring to?

And since when do Jedi's never give up? I've never heard that mentioned before. Didn't Yoda give up? He failed to defeat Sidious and went into hiding for like 20 years. Same with Obi-wan. If he never stumbled across Luke's lifeless body, would he ever have approached him to try to drag him into the galactic war himself?
 

BD231

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In my mind jedi get de-limbed then slapped back together with machine parts to do evil bidding's so really they don't have a choice in the matter as giving up isn't an option they're kinna just forced into to doing shit they don't wanna do. From that point of view luke is and remains the least jedi of all the jedi.

Congrats mark, you're the only jedi who didn't get turned into a heartless demon robot.
 
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Homerboy

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What line is he referring to?

And since when do Jedi's never give up? I've never heard that mentioned before. Didn't Yoda give up? He failed to defeat Sidious and went into hiding for like 20 years. Same with Obi-wan. If he never stumbled across Luke's lifeless body, would he ever have approached him to try to drag him into the galactic war himself?

You do realize that Obi-wan was specifically sent to watch over Luke while he grew up right? I'm guessing he knew Luke's daily whereabouts better than Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru did.
 

pauldun170

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I'm seeing it again this Saturday (family rents out a theater every year for the new movie). I have to say, I'm not overly looking forward to it. Though the theater does have delicious chicken wings and fries at least.

We saw both Force Awakens and The Last Jedi this way.
Couple of hundred bucks for a small theater that seats 100.
 
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Homerboy

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We saw both Force Awakens and The Last Jedi this way.
Couple of hundred bucks for a small theater that seats 100.

Yeah - my son and I go to the "midnight showing". Then my family rents out a theater for a week a 2 later. It's sort of become an annual holiday tradition now for us.
 
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