TLJ made TFA seem better by comparison. I only had a couple WTF moments in TFA. I had my first WTF moment during the opening crawl of TLJ and the second one maybe 10 minutes later, it only got worse from there.
Same here. The very first line of the opening crawl was: The First Order Reigns. ..... Seriously, wtf. Literally a day before TLJ starts, they lost their planet size death star and thousands of people on it, and yet a day later they "reign?" Fuck you movie. Not having a time jump between movies was an awful idea. Not writing it as a complete trilogy was an awful idea. The whole direction of this new garbage is terrible. Star Wars ends at RotJ.
Yet these movies keep getting great reviews... they are basically just like the avengers movies. They suck, but every other action movie is worse so fuck you.
All I can say is if you don't like it don't watch it. However, I feel like they've ruined the franchise much like what happened with Star Trek so perhaps its time to leave this one alone for a few years.
I actually liked TFA yeah it was a soft reboot and shared quite a lot of the same beats but JJ Abrams maligned puzzle box style of introducing a story could have worked.
There was a lot to build on....
Taking all of those flaws into account it felt like Star Wars for the most part... And I actually did enjoy it.
I saw it multiple times while it was in release in the U.S.
After I left the theater after having watch ed TLJ I had time to think about it and realized a lot of the flaws that have been already talked about in videos posted in this thread were greater than the flaws in TFA and I haven't been back to watch it again.
It could be that Star Wars movies just aren't for China since the original Trilogy wasn't shown there afaik. But TLJ surely didn't help the argument at all.
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I'd say it's 4th worse after episodes I-III. In fact, I don't even count I-III so this is number one worst SW episode.it failed on many levels.
id rank it as second to worst, above the phantom menace.
I'd say it's 4th worse after episodes I-III. In fact, I don't even count I-III so this is number one worst SW episode.
My worst to first:
8, 7, 2, 3, 1, 6, 4, 5, RO
Rogue One best? May I ask why?
It was well made, it didn't focus on the Skywalkers, and the heroes actually sacrificed themselves for the greater good (99% of movies show the heroes risking themselves, but not actual sacrifice). To me it was more powerful than any other moment in SW movies.
It was well made, it didn't focus on the Skywalkers, and the heroes actually sacrificed themselves for the greater good (99% of movies show the heroes risking themselves, but not actual sacrifice). To me it was more powerful than any other moment in SW movies.
I thought Rogue One was just not good, has nothing to do with it being a Star Wars movie or not. Horrible character development in any way shape or form. The movie doesn't make you care about anyone. It's sad when the only decent character is a non-human Droid. It's like they didn't care to invest in the characters since most were going to die anyways it seems.
Here's the Rogue One Star Wars grips.
It totally messes up the beginning of ANH. Vader doesn't know that Leia has the plans in ANH but umm in the end of Rogue One he literally sees them being handed to her. This was a movie no one asked for, we did not need to know the flaw in the Death Star was intentional. Not everything in any series always has be explained. That's why I'm not optimistic about the Han Solo movie. It will kill a lot of the mystery/coolness behind Han because of them wanting to explain everything little thing for Disney to make money just because it's Star Wars.
Haven't had time yet to post my thoughts on VII, but this seems pretty contradictory to IV.
VADER
Where are those transmissions you intercepted?
What have you done with those plans?
REBEL OFFICER
We intercepted no transmissions. Aaah... This is a consular ship. We're on a diplomatic mission.
Haven't had time yet to post my thoughts on VII, but this seems pretty contradictory to IV.
VADER
Where are those transmissions you intercepted?
What have you done with those plans?
REBEL OFFICER
We intercepted no transmissions. Aaah... This is a consular ship. We're on a diplomatic mission.
That's why I blame TFA for the most of the flaws in its sequel.
No the reason the TLJ has so many flaws is not the fault of TFA. It is the fact that the mastermind (whomever that is) behind the overall story arc of this Trilogy doesn't really have a general direction to go in. So they hire JJ Abrams knowing the kind of storytelling he does and probably just tell him to come up with a story that feels like the original trilogy and not the prequel one.
So that's what he does... not being given a detailed direction of where the story should so he makes TFA (feels like SW because of similar story beats introduces puzzles that can be built upon as plot points for the ) and it's decent at least. TLJ does *nothing* with those questions brought up in TFA and mucks up a some characters including new ones introduced in TFA.
George Lucas had an idea of where the story would go assuming sequels could be made from Ep. IV.
No, Lucas didn't have every plot detail planned out, he had the broad outline rattling about in his head (and maybe written down in notes) so that ESB and RotJ did build upon the previous movie.
TLJ doesn't build upon the previous movie so much as it throws out ideas presented in TFA
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