Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[zerocool84]

I've heard this from numerous people now, and I just can't bring myself to believe that Disney could be this stupid. Does anyone have confirmation that there is no overall plan for the story and that each director is basically free-styling? This would really explain the mess that we've been given.

I honestly can't imagine any Star Wars fan reading the script for TFA and not asking questions like... "Where did this First Order come from and how do they have unlimited resources?" or "How on earth is there another Emperor?" or even "Why are we taking this direction of making the original cast failures?"

Just like with TLJ I can't imagine any Star Wars fan watching the Princess Leia scene and not putting a full stop on it...

There should be too much money involved for Disney to go in like you described, but it really would explain the end product.

I don't think anyone would agree that TLJ did nothing with the questions TFA asked. You could argue that it left us with nothing, but it did something with almost every important question and story arc. The movie was supposed to grind the resistance down to nothing while still leaving the viewer with hope. I think it accomplishes this. Whether you like the choices it made or not is a whole different matter.

The wiki talks about how Disney didn't use much of what Lucas had written for the new trilogy and decided to do mostly their own thing. JJ wrote TFA with Kasdan who helped write previous Star Wars movies. Rian Johnson wrote Last Jedi and has the sole writing credits for it. At least JJ had some help from a Star Wars veteran. They should have had Kasdan co-write Last Jedi as well. Would have helped so much more with keeping it consistent.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy?wprov=sfla1

 

[snoopy7548]

TLJ certainly did something with every question asked by TFA, but the problem is it did so in the worst ways possible. They're busy clearing out the old and "boring" characters and making way for the new and "exciting" ones. I think Disney is just trying to see what fits best with their target audience; you know they're gonna make a crapton of new Star Wars movies. They just want to make sure they get it right, even if it means making a few bad movies at the start.

Disney isn't dumb, but they know what makes money. They're not going to make money by appealing to fanboys; they're going to make money by appealing to children. An adult sees the Princess Leia scene and says, "WTF?" while a child see it and says, "Whoa!"

 

[Majes]

The wiki talks about how Disney didn't use much of what Lucas had written for the new trilogy and decided to do mostly their own thing. JJ wrote TFA with Kasdan who helped write previous Star Wars movies. Rian Johnson wrote Last Jedi and has the sole writing credits for it. At least JJ had some help from a Star Wars veteran. They should have had Kasdan co-write Last Jedi as well. Would have helped so much more with keeping it consistent.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy?wprov=sfla1

That doesn't eliminate an overall plan though. Just means they wrote their scripts, correct?

 

[preslove]

That doesn't eliminate an overall plan though. Just means they wrote their scripts, correct?

There is a story group that is in charge of the general events. Apparently, they came up with the idiotic idea that the entire republic fleet was destroyed when the capitol planet was killed by starkiller base

 

[Red Storm]

There is a story group that is in charge of the general events. Apparently, they came up with the idiotic idea that the entire republic fleet was destroyed when the capitol planet was killed by starkiller base

Yeah that made zero sense as well. So an intergalactic fleet that spans many solar systems is wiped out from the destruction of a single planet? Sounds more like a present day Earth fleet.

 

[shortylickens]

https://i.imgur.com/5uk5Sxf.gifv

 

[Majes]

There is a story group that is in charge of the general events. Apparently, they came up with the idiotic idea that the entire republic fleet was destroyed when the capitol planet was killed by starkiller base

Yeah... This group. This is the group that needs to be replaced. The sooner the better.
I can guarantee you that no member of this group read any of Timothy Zahn's books that were the original episodes 7-9.

 

[blankslate]

I just can't bring myself to believe that Disney could be this stupid.

Well, they did allow the Mary Poppins scene which became an unintentional bit of humor (as opposed to GotG2's intentional Mary Poppins humor)

the tune is actually a bit catchy though.....


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[Majes]

We laugh to keep from crying

 

[dabuddha]

A coworker just mentioned this to me:

How come when Luke went all Force ghosty at the end, his robot arm didn't drop and clank down onto the rocks?

 

[Majes]

A coworker just mentioned this to me:

How come when Luke went all Force ghosty at the end, his robot arm didn't drop and clank down onto the rocks?

He must need it in the Force afterlife, since apparently your force ghost is just your body right before you die.

 

[local]

A coworker just mentioned this to me:

How come when Luke went all Force ghosty at the end, his robot arm didn't drop and clank down onto the rocks?

In the list of shit wrong with this movie that one ranks just above Chewie using the wrong spices to cook the Porg on my give-a-crap meter.

He must need it in the Force afterlife, since apparently your force ghost is just your body right before you die.

Unless you are Anakin, then when you die you get all your damaged components back and after a couple decades you revert back to your angsty much younger version.

 

[Majes]

In the list of shit wrong with this movie that one ranks just above Chewie using the wrong spices to cook the Porg on my give-a-crap meter.



Unless you are Anakin, then when you die you get all your damaged components back and after a couple decades you revert back to your angsty much younger version.

Ahh what a mess... It's extra funny because for some reason I care about this nonsense.

 

[local]

I would actually be quite happy if at the end of the final film JJ has digital Luke, Han and Leia wake up the day after they killed Death Star 2 and say it was all just a horrible dream.

 

[zerocool84]

So yes, Rian Johnson definitely did whatever he wanted with the last Jedi, Force Awakens be damned. This shows more evidence that if he didn't like something he either threw it away or didn't use it at ALL. I've said it before before and I'll say it again, Rian Johnson would have been fine making his own Star Wars movie, not part two of a trilogy. It seems like unless he himself sets something up, he just doesn't want to run with it. He would have had tons of room in the movie for other stuff without the stupid Canto Bight section.

In an interview on the Empire podcast, Johnson explained his reasoning: the movie was already stuffed to the brim with plots and characters, and he didn’t really have anything for the Knights of Ren to do. Besides, the most likely option he saw would’ve resulted in their premature deaths.

I guess I could’ve used them in place of the Praetorian guards but then it would feel like wasting them because all those guards had to die. And if Kylo had some kind of connection to them it would’ve added a complication that wouldn’t have helped the scene… Truth is, I just didn’t see a place for them in the movie.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/rian-johnson-didnt-want-the-knights-of-ren-in-the-last-1822192164

 

[StrangerGuy]

Lol, if hyperspace kamikaze is a plausible tactic in the SW universe there will be no OT to begin because the big bad ruthless Empire will be the first one to use that idea against the tiny Rebels.

But hey, proofreading the ep8 script for consistency? Ain't no one paid enough for that. But there's no money enough for Kathleen Kennedy to stop being a a cringeworthy Star Wars Stepford Wife.

 

[angminas]

it failed on many levels.

id rank it as second to worst, above the phantom menace.

That's where I put it a day after I watched it. I hate to say it, but it's just a bad movie.

 

[angminas]

worst to first for me:

2 1 3 8 7 4 RO 6 5

Surely you mean first to worst. Right? You don't think AOTC was the best, right?

 

[Grooveriding]

Watching it a second time did nothing to improve it. What a stinker this one was.

 

[zinfamous]

A coworker just mentioned this to me:

How come when Luke went all Force ghosty at the end, his robot arm didn't drop and clank down onto the rocks?

that will be added in the 3rd special edition.

 

[zinfamous]

Surely you mean first to worst. Right? You don't think AOTC was the best, right?

you meant to say worst to first, right? otherwise, you would think that AOTC was the best.

but yeah: worst to first

 

[Starbuck1975]

Watching it a second time did nothing to improve it. What a stinker this one was.

It is the first Star Wars movie I did not return to the theater for a second viewing. Even TPM was worth a second viewing for the pod race scene and Darth Maul duel.

 

[Majes]

It is the first Star Wars movie I did not return to the theater for a second viewing. Even TPM was worth a second viewing for the pod race scene and Darth Maul duel.

Yeah TPM has some great stuff, and some boring things. I think the people that rate it worst just really hate Jar Jar.

 

[snarfbot]

Not just jar jar! young Anakin was also terrible plus like you said it was mad boring. The pod racing imo detracted from the already bad film, and didn't belong in a star wars movie. Also midichlorians.... man I hated that movie lol.

I saw it twice too, in theaters! I thought there is no way it was actually just bad I must have been tired or grumpy or something, let's give it another shot. Nope, horrible! The last Jedi if you weren't a star wars fan would just be a bad movie but at least it's got a few funny jokes. The only good parts of the phantom menace is when they fight Darth maul which was admittedly pretty awesome, not awesome enough to redeem the film tho.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Not just jar jar! young Anakin was also terrible plus like you said it was mad boring. The pod racing imo detracted from the already bad film, and didn't belong in a star wars movie. Also midichlorians.... man I hated that movie lol.

I saw it twice too, in theaters! I thought there is no way it was actually just bad I must have been tired or grumpy or something, let's give it another shot. Nope, horrible! The last Jedi if you weren't a star wars fan would just be a bad movie but at least it's got a few funny jokes. The only good parts of the phantom menace is when they fight Darth maul which was admittedly pretty awesome, not awesome enough to redeem the film tho.

You should check out the phantom edit.