Mark has a romanticized view of his character. "Luke would never cut off a Wampa's entire arm". He shot womp rats to death for sport in his T16. "Luke would never give up". Luke tried to lift his X Wing out of the swamp in Episode 6 and threw in the towel. "I can't believe it!"What line is he referring to?
And since when do Jedi's never give up? I've never heard that mentioned before. Didn't Yoda give up? He failed to defeat Sidious and went into hiding for like 20 years. Same with Obi-wan. If he never stumbled across Luke's lifeless body, would he ever have approached him to try to drag him into the galactic war himself?
What line is he referring to?
And since when do Jedi's never give up? I've never heard that mentioned before. Didn't Yoda give up? He failed to defeat Sidious and went into hiding for like 20 years. Same with Obi-wan. If he never stumbled across Luke's lifeless body, would he ever have approached him to try to drag him into the galactic war himself?
Mark has a romanticized view of his character. "Luke would never cut off a Wampa's entire arm". He shot womp rats to death for sport in his T16. "Luke would never give up". Luke tried to lift his X Wing out of the swamp in Episode 6 and threw in the towel. "I can't believe it!"
Like hell he would never give up.
Disney makes tons of good movies. They just don't make good Star Wars movies. Disney didn't decide to make an overall story before making this trilogy. That is what hurts the movies the most.If there's anything I've learned from Disney and the latest director, it's that theorizing is a pointless endeavor. They do not care about writing a compelling story. Disney is 99.99% about making profits. All of Luke's actions in the new trilogy can simply be described as Disney wringing Luke Skywalker one last time for every dollar it can get out of him, existing lore be damned.
Just saw the piece of trash movie. I could detail for 4 hours what they did wrong with it, but I don't have time for that, so I'm going to summarize.
This movie was not made by incompetent people trying to do an honest job.
This movie was not made by fans that have no skill in writing.
This movie was not a typical space opera in a Star Wars skin.
No, this is something far worse.
Other people have written about the fall of civilizations (non-fiction) and some have intended to cause civilizations to fail so they can build something different from the ashes. Others, as we noted in the Dark Knight, have no plan for after the fall. They just want to see the world burn.
The writing techniques used in this movie fall into both categories, and what I would term a 'civilization destructor' was used. This is where you take the fixed points that a civilization relies upon and knocks them out so the rest will come tumbling down in time.
To put it in math terms, if you keep telling people 2+2=5 enough times people will start to accept it or start to stop caring and ignore everything. They become disillusion, numb, or driven mad by the lack of a logical underpinning. Math and physics are such an underpinning, but so are other things like training, experience, and skill.
This movie was written to produce a civilization destructor piece of propaganda, and this isn't the first time I've seen it. And to add insult to injury, Star Wars is a franchise that is a civilization support, something people latch onto to calibrate their lives. Now it's being corrupted, twisted, and destroyed...which further adds to the disillusionment.
And disillusioned or numb people are much, much easier to manipulate.
So how did they do this in this piece of trash movie?
1.Denigrate the heros, elevate the losers to hero status.
2.Denigrate skill and experience, make mastery available to anyone in a few days time.
3.Put women in positions of power, have them bitchslap the men every other scene, all the while not having a single strong female character. This kills both the men and female positive stereotypes.
4.Take an established character and change them over the course of the movie so the character ends up being nothing. You have no idea who they are, because there are no constants. They are whatever the moment demands.
5. Take the Force and make it mean whatever you want...which leaves it a bunch of gobblygook that Lucas warned about.
6. Take good and evil and mix them up until both terms become meaningless.
7. Take heroism and turn it into a bad thing. Being a coward and running away becomes 'good' and damn anyone who tries to fight back.
8. Mix up any and all physics so the things on the screen literally won't do what they do in real life. This makes your eyes all nonsensical, because you can't track things.
9. There is no story. No one knows what the hell is going on, and that just adds to the confusion. So does the choppy filming, editing, and heavy sound effects that make your head feel like it was just in a blender.
10. Unless something is earned, it doesn't have gravitas. Rey can do anything with no training. The Jedi texts are, as fake Yoda said, nothing. Rey knows everything in them...and she hadn't had ANY training. They just said that the entirety of the Jedi Order is meaningless. And she can lift rocks heavier than an X-wing with less training than Luke had on Dagobah. See how this messes everything up?
Mark my words. Star Wars is dead. Disney, and I think really it's more Kathleen Kennedy because this trash hasn't really hit Marvel much yet(other than the Ironman 3 piece of trash), but Disney is doing this across multiple platforms and franchises. It's intentional. Call it social brainwashing if that helps you understand it better. I would have hoped the people who worked with Lucas would have put up more of a fight, but it seems Kathleen Kennedy agrees with Disney and it's full bore into looney land.
I feel sorry for Mark Hamill. He did not want to do this movie. He knew it was trash. He also knew he couldn't say no or he'd be hated for it. They ripped apart the character of Luke and made Mark help them do it.
For that alone, Disney deserves to die. They've already wrecked ESPN. Marvel seems to be the only thing keeping them afloat. And now they're acquiring new properties from Fox. Seems like they have an acquire/wring money/discard/repeat business model going. They can't hold down a long term franchise, and I'm afraid Marvel will end up going that way as well before too long.
Bottom line. You can't mess up Star Wars this bad by accident. This was intentional. It's an intentional assassination of everything good in Star Wars, and now they're parading around in its corpse.
Also did you notice how they killed Admiral Ackbar off-screen and later on just mentioned it in a sentence?
And what they did with the Force was stupid, I personally think, that Leia should have died and not force her character for at least the next movie to be around.
Additionally, when after a couple days' worth of training Rey wielded a lightsaber as good as Kylo, who was trained by "Supreme leader no story behind this guy, he's just there" the only reason that kept me back from simply walking out the cinema was the popcorn and the will to see new ship designs. The Mandator IV, I think and the Supremacy looked really good
Luke never even trained Rey for lightsaber combat. The trailer was a total lie. And yeah, I noticed the Ackbar thing. They're just running down the list of old characters and knocking them off until they have a 'fresh' cast with no connection to the original story.
Also it was made apparently clear they are no longer following canon when afterwards in the credits they have a 'based on characters by George Lucas' line. That means they're not the original ones and this is a different universe. Disney specifically said it was sticking to canon. Now it looks like they're admitting they broke their promise.
And if you're in space, you explode from decompression, Jedi or not. Plus, you CANNOT use the Force to fly. This has been a sticking point in the Star Wars fanbase for years. You can move objects, but not yourself. Leia flying back to the ship through space was a face-palm moment.
And the ship designs...blah. Just a rip off of Star Destroyers and the Super Star Destroyer with no real meaning other than make them triangle shape. And the whole chase in realspace/hyperspace tracking directly contradicts canon. You CAN track through hyperspace for a short range, which was why the millennium falcon got away from tatooine. Because it was a 'faster ship' and could outrun them.
Also, in space, things fly in a straight line. Those lobbing mortar shots made the big ship look stupid. I'll admit, that overall shape could be used to make a cool ship, but they bungled it so much I wasn't impressed. And the blank red walls of the throne room were so pathetically tacky. George Lucas never would have allowed a blank slate like that. He would have filled it with SOMETHING.
And don't even get me started on Vice Admiral Purple Hair. Since when do Vice Admirals not even bother to wear a uniform?
Mark has a romanticized view of his character. "Luke would never cut off a Wampa's entire arm". He shot womp rats to death for sport in his T16. "Luke would never give up". Luke tried to lift his X Wing out of the swamp in Episode 6 and threw in the towel. "I can't believe it!"
Like hell he would never give up.
I just still felt him trying to kill his nephew was too much for the character as we knew him. It's not like they explained how he was being turned to the dark side by Snoke which probably would have helped us get a reason why he was wanting to murder his only nephew. So him just "seeing" some dark side in his nephew out of nowhere and then trying to murder him just doesn't feel right for Luke after everything we learned from the original trilogy.As a character Luke had trouble seeing beyond himself and being in the moment. Full of doubt and always looking at the past or the future. Something Yoda tried to drum into him time and again to unlearn. He never realized his full potential except in those few rare moments that resulted in him doing the extraordinary stuff (blowing up DS1, turning Vader, and the end of TLJ) where he actually followed that advice. I thought his portrayal in TLJ was fairly consistent with what we know about him.
I just still felt him trying to kill his nephew was too much for the character as we knew him. It's not like they explained how he was being turned to the dark side by Snoke which probably would have helped us get a reason why he was wanting to murder his only nephew. So him just "seeing" some dark side in his nephew out of nowhere and then trying to murder him just doesn't feel right for Luke after everything we learned from the original trilogy.
Rey said she felt some light, some good in Kylo Ren, someone who's barely learning their powers, yet Luke for some reason couldn't.
On yoda, you could tell it was an actual puppet, that was awesome. His humor felt out of place for the time but Yoda gonna Yoda so it was actually fitting for him.For someone with Luke's baggage (Vader) I can plausibly see how the thought of ending the threat preemptively might make sense to him, if only for a moment. Both Luke's initial version and Ben's version of the story were wrong but true to their points of view. Only Luke's later admission provided real context for what happened.
As seen in TFA, Rey is an extraordinarily gifted force sensitive in terms of raw talent. Skills that would take regular Jedi a years to master can be commanded, if slightly clumsily, by her when needed. Obi Wan also could not see the good left in Vader, possibly because it was too personal. Emotion clouds the ability of Jedi to gauge those things clearly which is something else Yoda cautioned against.
On yoda, you could tell it was an actual puppet, that was awesome. His humor felt out of place for the time but Yoda gonna Yoda so it was actually fitting for him.
For someone with Luke's baggage (Vader) I can plausibly see how the thought of ending the threat preemptively might make sense to him, if only for a moment. Both Luke's initial version and Ben's version of the story were wrong but true to their points of view. Only Luke's later admission provided real context for what happened.
As seen in TFA, Rey is an extraordinarily gifted force sensitive in terms of raw talent. Skills that would take regular Jedi a years to master can be commanded, if slightly clumsily, by her when needed. Obi Wan also could not see the good left in Vader, possibly because it was too personal. Emotion clouds the ability of Jedi to gauge those things clearly which is something else Yoda cautioned against.
Hoth appeared to be a much larger facility FWIW. The energy shield protects from bombardment but the blast doors guard the base on the ground. I got the impression that the door on Crait would have resisted walker fire.
The shield on Hoth had to be deactivated in short intervals for transports to leave and the ion cannon to fire on the star destroyers.
Exactly, compare and contrast that whole sequence to the childish banter between Poe and Hux.The build-up to the Hoth battle was also much better executed as a story, since Vader was going to utterly crush the rebels with a sudden attack, but his incompetent admiral screwed up the plan and alerted them to the imperials which allowed the rebels time to escape.
The OT was not that good? BlasphemyGoing to just throw this out there. All of you panning this movie need a reality check. The original trilogy was NOT that good. There was definitely some liberties taken in this one that should have been explained more and some story telling that was just lazy, but as for some of the other complaints they are easily explained.
Luke was mentally defeated. This is a what 30-40 year jump? The guy lost his faith...it happens. They even explained how it happened. How you can think "oh he should be that guy from 30 years ago" shows the nostalgia bias. In the end he stepped up, which is ultimately all that matters.
The female leads? That's just the current climate STARTED in 1978.
Be honest with yourselves and realize you are not 8 years old anymore and the fantasy isn't there. You know more about MANY things that greatly skew your enjoyment of fiction.
The OT was not that good? Blasphemy
The build-up to the Hoth battle was also much better executed as a story, since Vader was going to utterly crush the rebels with a sudden attack, but his incompetent admiral screwed up the plan and alerted them to the imperials which allowed the rebels time to escape.
Well written movies don't require a whole lot of explanation or filling in your own logic after watching it to make sense of what you just saw. Compare TLJ to say Fury Road, no one walked out of the later confused by needless side plots, or make it up as you go along physics, or giving one of the legacy characters new powers.
Other than the Battle of Endor, the imperial Navy more than held its own against the Rebellion. Most of the imperial officers were mostly played by british character actors, so each one had a certain gravitas.It was maybe well planned but not well executed, hence the unexpected promotion of Admiral Piett. The Imperial Navy spent a good deal of the OT bumbling about. Not as bad in as in R1 but not great.