Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Pulsar]

I've done my best to explain the lightspeed thing earlier in this thread... But I don't see how it "broke" Star Wars since it's been possible to crash into things at lightspeed since the original trilogy. There are lots of possible reasons why it may not have been done up to this point.

It's pretty simple really. Every "super weapon" and "blockade" become utterly useless when faced with the 'take a big ship to lightspeed and ram the other one' tactic. We all knew that in the real world, physically it makes sense. We assumed that some Star Wars mechanic that we weren't privy to prevented it. NOW, it begs the question - orbital defense is as simple as building a big object, putting a hyperspace drive on it, and having it ready to go.

You would never even consider building a death star if you knew that someone could take an asteroid, put a hyperspace generator on it, and send it through your pretty battle station. It's a waste of resources.

Start hand waving now about shields and screens and blah blah blah. But it's a tremendous plot hole that they can't plug.

Edit: Red Storm posted the same thing while I was typing. Sniped!

 

[Paladin3]

http://collider.com/the-last-jedi-porgs-explained-puffins/

"Porgs Were Invented Because ‘The Last Jedi’ Couldn’t Get Rid of the Puffins on Skellig Michael"

Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

[Majes]

It's pretty simple really. Every "super weapon" and "blockade" become utterly useless when faced with the 'take a big ship to lightspeed and ram the other one' tactic. We all knew that in the real world, physically it makes sense. We assumed that some Star Wars mechanic that we weren't privy to prevented it. NOW, it begs the question - orbital defense is as simple as building a big object, putting a hyperspace drive on it, and having it ready to go.

You would never even consider building a death star if you knew that someone could take an asteroid, put a hyperspace generator on it, and send it through your pretty battle station. It's a waste of resources.

Start hand waving now about shields and screens and blah blah blah. But it's a tremendous plot hole that they can't plug.

Edit: Red Storm posted the same thing while I was typing. Sniped!

Well if you didn't go back to read my post then I'll just state a lot of the things again. But it basically comes down to you guys being incredibly unimaginative. There are lots of reasonable explanations or possibilities, some technical, some cultural.

1. The ship may not have reached hyperspace. It may be that this is only useful as a weapon as the ship accelerates in real space. This could still be utilized as a weapon, but it becomes much more difficult as it limits range.
2. The mass ratio must be pretty close. We don't know the speeds or masses involved since it's a different universe. We really don't know anything about how hyperspace works. It may be that you have to actually approach the mass of the object you're targeting. This makes your asteroid idea pretty awesome, but I have no idea the resources required to make an asteroid hyperspace capable.
3. It may have been a lucky shot. It may be very difficult to align a ship in order to utilize it as a weapon. A slight change may cause a deflection or a complete miss.
4. It may have been an original concept. This is a bit of a stretch considering there are far more beings in the Star Wars Universe than ours (as far as we know) and you'd think someone would have said "hey let's weaponize this!" but at the same time someone has to be first to an idea.
5. It may not be economically viable. For some reason it might not be financially feasible to throw hyper drives on hulks in order to throw them at targets.

I'm not sure what you mean by shields and screens but there are lots of other explanations if you choose to look for them. If you'd rather let this ruin Star Wars for you for no reason then go for it.

 

[Pulsar]

Well if you didn't go back to read my post then I'll just state a lot of the things again. But it basically comes down to you guys being incredibly unimaginative. There are lots of reasonable explanations or possibilities, some technical, some cultural.

1. The ship may not have reached hyperspace. It may be that this is only useful as a weapon as the ship accelerates in real space. This could still be utilized as a weapon, but it becomes much more difficult as it limits range.
2. The mass ratio must be pretty close. We don't know the speeds or masses involved since it's a different universe. We really don't know anything about how hyperspace works. It may be that you have to actually approach the mass of the object you're targeting. This makes your asteroid idea pretty awesome, but I have no idea the resources required to make an asteroid hyperspace capable.
3. It may have been a lucky shot. It may be very difficult to align a ship in order to utilize it as a weapon. A slight change may cause a deflection or a complete miss.
4. It may have been an original concept. This is a bit of a stretch considering there are far more beings in the Star Wars Universe than ours (as far as we know) and you'd think someone would have said "hey let's weaponize this!" but at the same time someone has to be first to an idea.
5. It may not be economically viable. For some reason it might not be financially feasible to throw hyper drives on hulks in order to throw them at targets.

I'm not sure what you mean by shields and screens but there are lots of other explanations if you choose to look for them. If you'd rather let this ruin Star Wars for you for no reason then go for it.

You're just not getting it. You're nerding out. You're going full comic-book argument mode. You're going FAR deeper than 99% of the starwars fans want to go. They are willing to accept many things without asking: fighters banking in space. Explosions than make noise in space. A magical space religion that works to protect us.

But, when they see a large ship turn around and RAM another into 2 pieces, they aren't going to think about all the reasons it might not be reasonable in other situations given a certain set of physics. They are going to ask why the fuck Admiral Ackbar didn't hyperspace RIGHT THROUGH THE DEATH STAR. And they're not going to listen to a 20 minute list of made up reasons. They're simply going to break suspension of disbelief and walk away. It was HORRIBLE movie making to do what they did.

 

[bononos]

Apologies if posted earlier in the thread:
LUKE SKYWALKER vs. KYLO REN 16 Bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFfMN6lPnlA

 

[Majes]

You're just not getting it. You're nerding out. You're going full comic-book argument mode. You're going FAR deeper than 99% of the starwars fans want to go. They are willing to accept many things without asking: fighters banking in space. Explosions than make noise in space. A magical space religion that works to protect us.

But, when they see a large ship turn around and RAM another into 2 pieces, they aren't going to think about all the reasons it might not be reasonable in other situations given a certain set of physics. They are going to ask why the fuck Admiral Ackbar didn't hyperspace RIGHT THROUGH THE DEATH STAR. And they're not going to listen to a 20 minute list of made up reasons. They're simply going to break suspension of disbelief and walk away. It was HORRIBLE movie making to do what they did.

Um... What? You just described your thought process and applied it to everyone. If you don't want explanations or reasoning then that's fine. Let it ruin the movie for you. Most people that I've spoken to just accept the scene and many find it to be the best scene in the movie.

If you want to complain so terribly about something that you dismiss any reasonable explanations as "You're nerding out" then there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

 

[blankslate]

Um... What? You just described your thought process and applied it to everyone. If you don't want explanations or reasoning then that's fine. Let it ruin the movie for you. Most people that I've spoken to just accept the scene and many find it to be the best scene in the movie.

If you want to complain so terribly about something that you dismiss any reasonable explanations as "You're nerding out" then there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.

There's no need for him to complain about it when a cheeky youtuber has already done so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJRw56cOVw&t=25m35s

BTW the Video is NSFW

this is the full video it is admittedly a repost but damn aside from a bit of political incorrectness it sums up just about all of my complaints about the movie after I reflected on it after watching it.

 

[blankslate]

Smack Talk TLJ review...
NSFW warning.

To quote the video... "Ever heard of show don't tell you hack?"
I was going to watch this movie again to give it a "fair chance" but after thinking about it... I'm just going to wait until it streams. Not even on "discount day" at my local cineplex.

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[snoopy7548]

There's no need for him to complain about it when a cheeky youtuber has already done so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJRw56cOVw&t=25m35s

BTW the Video is NSFW

this is the full video it is admittedly a repost but damn aside from a bit of political incorrectness it sums up just about all of my complaints about the movie after I reflected on it after watching it.

Haha, Shrek. This guy is spot on. I think I was more disappointed by the treatment of Luke than anything else - possibly the most important character in the Star Wars movie-verse whom everyone has been waiting to see since RotJ, but he felt like less than a supporting actor in this one. It would be nice if JJ Abrams completely ignores this one and releases his own Episode VIII in 2019. Just sweep this piece of crap under the rug.

I want to watch the movie again (some of the action scenes were cool) but definitely not at the theater.

 

[local]

I actually would rather rewatch any of the prequels than see this one again... ok maybe not Ep 2.

 

[Majes]

Haha, Shrek. This guy is spot on. I think I was more disappointed by the treatment of Luke than anything else - possibly the most important character in the Star Wars movie-verse whom everyone has been waiting to see since RotJ, but he felt like less than a supporting actor in this one. It would be nice if JJ Abrams completely ignores this one and releases his own Episode VIII in 2019. Just sweep this piece of crap under the rug.

I want to watch the movie again (some of the action scenes were cool) but definitely not at the theater.

It's really unfortunate the direction they went with Luke's story. His acting performance in TLJ is the best of this trilogy so far and may go down as one of the best in any Star Wars movie. But it still bugs me that they chose for Luke to take the cowardly Yoda route... I don't think you can blame The Last Jedi for that though since it's pretty much the entire plot of The Force Awakens. The Last Jedi has to deal with the absolutely awful plot lines TFA leaves for it.

What would be nice is if we could go back to TFA and actually plan out a decent three part story instead of starting with that absolutely unforgivable plot mess.

 

[snoopy7548]

It's really unfortunate the direction they went with Luke's story. His acting performance in TLJ is the best of this trilogy so far and may go down as one of the best in any Star Wars movie. But it still bugs me that they chose for Luke to take the cowardly Yoda route... I don't think you can blame The Last Jedi for that though since it's pretty much the entire plot of The Force Awakens. The Last Jedi has to deal with the absolutely awful plot lines TFA leaves for it.

What would be nice is if we could go back to TFA and actually plan out a decent three part story instead of starting with that absolutely unforgivable plot mess.

I'm of the opinion that TFA set up multiple decent (some great) storylines but TLJ chose the weakest and thoughtless ones:

TFA
Who are Rey's parents?
TLJ
Nobody.

TFA
What has Luke been up to?
TLJ
Sucking blue milk out of creatures with huge boobs.

TFA
Who is Snoke? Why/how is he so powerful? Is he going to be the next feared Emperor?
TLJ
Meh. He's dead now, who cares?

TFA
Wow, is Rey really force sensitive?
TLJ
Yeah, she has become a Jedi master in only a few days and can handily defeat Luke, who required years of training to get to where he was in RotJ, in hand-to-hand combat.

TFA
Kylo is an whiny, bi-polar emo prick. Think he'll become a more well-developed character throughout the next movie?
TLJ
Nah. Still a whiny, bi-polar emo prick.

TFA
So Luke has to be some awesome, Jedi master now after all these years, right? I can't wait to see him pass on his legacy to Rey and kick some major First Order ass.
TLJ
Oh really? One rushed series of "lessons" from a grumpy dude and a force-suicide coming right up!

TFA
Well, at least Chewbacca is back!
TLJ
Here's him eating a Porg while another Porg looks all sad and depressed. Children, ask your parents for Porg merchandise. Parents, buy your children Porg merchandise.

TFA
So what the heck was going on in Rey's vision? Who were those badass-looking dudes with Kylo Ren in the rain? I read something about the Knights of Ren.
TLJ
Uh... what?

TFA
Oh boy! Captain Phasma! I can't wait to see her again! I haven't been this intrigued by a side character since Boba Fett!
TLJ
Yeah, about that. She dies after a fight with Finn which lasts like a minute.

TFA
What happened between Luke and Kylo Ren? What's the whole deal there?
TLJ
Eh, he said she said.

TFA
So of course Leia is going to get a dignified death in the next one. Carrie Fisher is dead. She could barely speak during the first movie.
TLJ
Sure! She's gonna get blown into space and we're all gonna cry, but wait, here she is pulling some deus ex machina Mary Poppins crap because we're not done with her character yet for some god-forsaken reason!

 

[Red Storm]

I'm of the opinion that TFA set up multiple decent (some great) storylines but TLJ chose the weakest and thoughtless ones:

TFA
Who are Rey's parents?
TLJ
Nobody.

TFA
What has Luke been up to?
TLJ
Sucking blue milk out of creatures with huge boobs.

TFA
Who is Snoke? Why/how is he so powerful? Is he going to be the next feared Emperor?
TLJ
Meh. He's dead now, who cares?

TFA
Wow, is Rey really force sensitive?
TLJ
Yeah, she has become a Jedi master in only a few days and can handily defeat Luke, who required years of training to get to where he was in RotJ, in hand-to-hand combat.

TFA
Kylo is an whiny, bi-polar emo prick. Think he'll become a more well-developed character throughout the next movie?
TLJ
Nah. Still a whiny, bi-polar emo prick.

TFA
So Luke has to be some awesome, Jedi master now after all these years, right? I can't wait to see him pass on his legacy to Rey and kick some major First Order ass.
TLJ
Oh really? One rushed series of "lessons" from a grumpy dude and a force-suicide coming right up!

TFA
Well, at least Chewbacca is back!
TLJ
Here's him eating a Porg while another Porg looks all sad and depressed. Children, ask your parents for Porg merchandise. Parents, buy your children Porg merchandise.

TFA
So what the heck was going on in Rey's vision? Who were those badass-looking dudes with Kylo Ren in the rain? I read something about the Knights of Ren.
TLJ
Uh... what?

TFA
Oh boy! Captain Phasma! I can't wait to see her again! I haven't been this intrigued by a side character since Boba Fett!
TLJ
Yeah, about that. She dies after a fight with Finn which lasts like a minute.

TFA
What happened between Luke and Kylo Ren? What's the whole deal there?
TLJ
Eh, he said she said.

TFA
So of course Leia is going to get a dignified death in the next one. Carrie Fisher is dead. She could barely speak during the first movie.
TLJ
Sure! She's gonna get blown into space and we're all gonna cry, but wait, here she is pulling some deus ex machina Mary Poppins crap because we're not done with her character yet for some god-forsaken reason!

Yep, and you didn't even mention the lore breaking lightspeed attack. What a letdown of a movie.

 

[zinfamous]

I still don't understand why people are so hung-up on the lightspeed attack. To say that it is just simply OP and breaks everything accepts that you are going to find an unlimited number of pawns, on either side (and the rebels are the only ones that really matter, here), willing to suicide themselves every time this needs to be done.

You can make a fine argument that sure, any single rebel should be willing to sacrifice himself to destroy something like the deathstar. One individual vs tens of thousands and a supreme death weapon off the map? obviously! But it really isn't that simple. What we already know of actual, real, human history, is that it takes some serious, dedicated indoctrination to create a reliable troop of absolute fanatics that would be willing to do this on demand. The "problem" with the lightspeed attack is a problem, on paper, but it ignores the necessary human component: you have to find people unquestionably rejecting their most basic human instinct (self preservation) for the benefit of the cause. I think you would certainly be able to find some people like this, but not only would it not really be enough to make this a dependable strategy, the idea is rather anathema to the purpose of the rebellion: such a person is a slave to a cause, not a real freedom fighter.


Now for the empire..well they have and endless supply of clones, right? I guess it definitely breaks it from their perspective.

 

[snoopy7548]

I still don't understand why people are so hung-up on the lightspeed attack. To say that it is just simply OP and breaks everything accepts that you are going to find an unlimited number of pawns, on either side (and the rebels are the only ones that really matter, here), willing to suicide themselves every time this needs to be done.

You can make a fine argument that sure, any single rebel should be willing to sacrifice himself to destroy something like the deathstar. One individual vs tens of thousands and a supreme death weapon off the map? obviously! But it really isn't that simple. What we already know of actual, real, human history, is that it takes some serious, dedicated indoctrination to create a reliable troop of absolute fanatics that would be willing to do this on demand. The "problem" with the lightspeed attack is a problem, on paper, but it ignores the necessary human component: you have to find people unquestionably rejecting their most basic human instinct (self preservation) for the benefit of the cause. I think you would certainly be able to find some people like this, but not only would it not really be enough to make this a dependable strategy, the idea is rather anathema to the purpose of the rebellion: such a person is a slave to a cause, not a real freedom fighter.


Now for the empire..well they have and endless supply of clones, right? I guess it definitely breaks it from their perspective.

They could just send a droid to do the attack, or make the ship automated and controlled from a remote location on some planet. Surely they have the technology.

 

[Exterous]

I still don't understand why people are so hung-up on the lightspeed attack. To say that it is just simply OP and breaks everything accepts that you are going to find an unlimited number of pawns, on either side (and the rebels are the only ones that really matter, here), willing to suicide themselves every time this needs to be done.

Er...they have droids

 

[Red Storm]

I still don't understand why people are so hung-up on the lightspeed attack. To say that it is just simply OP and breaks everything accepts that you are going to find an unlimited number of pawns, on either side (and the rebels are the only ones that really matter, here), willing to suicide themselves every time this needs to be done.

You can make a fine argument that sure, any single rebel should be willing to sacrifice himself to destroy something like the deathstar. One individual vs tens of thousands and a supreme death weapon off the map? obviously! But it really isn't that simple. What we already know of actual, real, human history, is that it takes some serious, dedicated indoctrination to create a reliable troop of absolute fanatics that would be willing to do this on demand. The "problem" with the lightspeed attack is a problem, on paper, but it ignores the necessary human component: you have to find people unquestionably rejecting their most basic human instinct (self preservation) for the benefit of the cause. I think you would certainly be able to find some people like this, but not only would it not really be enough to make this a dependable strategy, the idea is rather anathema to the purpose of the rebellion: such a person is a slave to a cause, not a real freedom fighter.


Now for the empire..well they have and endless supply of clones, right? I guess it definitely breaks it from their perspective.

You're looking at this from the comfort of your chair in a peaceful time. In a real war for survival you'd have a line of people ready to sacrifice themselves to save their fellow family/friends/cause.

The issue with the lightspeed attack is that it breaks everything we've seen before in Star Wars. The story, the struggles, they no longer add up.

 

[Majes]

You're looking at this from the comfort of your chair in a peaceful time. In a real war for survival you'd have a line of people ready to sacrifice themselves to save their fellow family/friends/cause.

The issue with the lightspeed attack is that it breaks everything we've seen before in Star Wars. The story, the struggles, they no longer add up.

Just go up a few posts and read my response please... It gives numerous possible explanations. I can't believe I'm still hearing this complaint...

 

[Red Storm]

Just go up a few posts and read my response please... It gives numerous possible explanations. I can't believe I'm still hearing this complaint...

Sorry your ideas do not explain it away.

1. The admiral had no issues deducing the necessary range for the attack, and the ship was conveniently within the optimal range to do the attack. That just adds to it being a shitty idea made up by the writers.

2. If mass ratio was a big concern, it would actually be mentioned in the movie. It wasn't, because the director and writers didn't think that far. They weren't thinking at all actually, they just went with something that looks cool.

3. Lucky shots are what Star Wars is all about. Except instead of hoping for a lucky shot from a lone X wing, instead you just send 50 cheap ships lightspeeding into the Death Star.

4. There's no way that was the first time anyone ever thought about that. Even the First Order realized what was about to happen, so they knew what it was too. That's how the director portrayed it.

5. If a hyper drive on a rock is not economically feasible, then what is losing all of your bombers? Or many, many X-Wings?

Stop trying to defend a poorly written, poorly directed movie. TLJ was simply Rian Johnson saying F the previous movies, I'm gonna do whatever I want, and the next director can pick up the pieces.

 

[zinfamous]

They could just send a droid to do the attack, or make the ship automated and controlled from a remote location on some planet. Surely they have the technology.

Er...they have droids

Well, the SW Universe has already established that a droid would never do it because their logic centers automatically override shit-odds options when it comes to survival.

Even the re-programmed imperial droid in Rogue One was still bitching about shit survival odds when that Spanish fellow handed a blaster to that hot chick as they were starting their mission.

 

[Majes]

I'm of the opinion that TFA set up multiple decent (some great) storylines but TLJ chose the weakest and thoughtless ones:

TFA
Who are Rey's parents?
TLJ
Nobody.

TFA
What has Luke been up to?
TLJ
Sucking blue milk out of creatures with huge boobs.

TFA
Who is Snoke? Why/how is he so powerful? Is he going to be the next feared Emperor?
TLJ
Meh. He's dead now, who cares?

TFA
Wow, is Rey really force sensitive?
TLJ
Yeah, she has become a Jedi master in only a few days and can handily defeat Luke, who required years of training to get to where he was in RotJ, in hand-to-hand combat.

TFA
Kylo is an whiny, bi-polar emo prick. Think he'll become a more well-developed character throughout the next movie?
TLJ
Nah. Still a whiny, bi-polar emo prick.

TFA
So Luke has to be some awesome, Jedi master now after all these years, right? I can't wait to see him pass on his legacy to Rey and kick some major First Order ass.
TLJ
Oh really? One rushed series of "lessons" from a grumpy dude and a force-suicide coming right up!

TFA
Well, at least Chewbacca is back!
TLJ
Here's him eating a Porg while another Porg looks all sad and depressed. Children, ask your parents for Porg merchandise. Parents, buy your children Porg merchandise.

TFA
So what the heck was going on in Rey's vision? Who were those badass-looking dudes with Kylo Ren in the rain? I read something about the Knights of Ren.
TLJ
Uh... what?

TFA
Oh boy! Captain Phasma! I can't wait to see her again! I haven't been this intrigued by a side character since Boba Fett!
TLJ
Yeah, about that. She dies after a fight with Finn which lasts like a minute.

TFA
What happened between Luke and Kylo Ren? What's the whole deal there?
TLJ
Eh, he said she said.

TFA
So of course Leia is going to get a dignified death in the next one. Carrie Fisher is dead. She could barely speak during the first movie.
TLJ
Sure! She's gonna get blown into space and we're all gonna cry, but wait, here she is pulling some deus ex machina Mary Poppins crap because we're not done with her character yet for some god-forsaken reason!

So I don't know man. I think Rey's storyline has lots more to offer in the next installment. I have a problem with where they took Luke, but I knew it was coming since i watched The Force Awakens. This story is going to hinge on what they end up doing with Kylo Ren's character. I really thought he progressed in this movie, and I can see the battle in him between light and dark. Chewie and Phasma were wasted. Chewie really should be utilized more, but Phasma was wasted in TFA too... Luke's conflict with Kylo was one of my favorite parts of the movie. The ambiguity of it leaves you understanding and sympathizing with both characters. It is most assuredly not a "He said, she said..." Mary Poppins was completely inexcusable and is the first Star Wars scene I've ever thought should be removed from a movie.

I guess I wasn't as thrilled with TFA as you were. I thought it was inexcusable that the First Order and Snoke appeared with zero explanation. I thought the "big picture" was terrible, and though the new characters were mildly interesting, none of them had the gravitas of the original cast. While fun to watch as an action flick, it really was a poor attempt at a Star Wars movie. Most of the Last Jedi's faults I attribute to choices made in The Force Awakens. I think it does quite well with the mess it was left.

 

[Majes]

Sorry your ideas do not explain it away.

1. The admiral had no issues deducing the necessary range for the attack, and the ship was conveniently within the optimal range to do the attack. That just adds to it being a shitty idea made up by the writers.

2. If mass ratio was a big concern, it would actually be mentioned in the movie. It wasn't, because the director and writers didn't think that far. They weren't thinking at all actually, they just went with something that looks cool.

3. Lucky shots are what Star Wars is all about. Except instead of hoping for a lucky shot from a lone X wing, instead you just send 50 cheap ships lightspeeding into the Death Star.

4. There's no way that was the first time anyone ever thought about that. Even the First Order realized what was about to happen, so they knew what it was too. That's how the director portrayed it.

5. If a hyper drive on a rock is not economically feasible, then what is losing all of your bombers? Or many, many X-Wings?

Stop trying to defend a poorly written, poorly directed movie. TLJ was simply Rian Johnson saying F the previous movies, I'm gonna do whatever I want, and the next director can pick up the pieces.

1. There's no deduction. This is just something she is trying.
2. They don't even give a backstory for Snoke or the First Order. Why on earth would they stop for a physics lesson?
3. Not sure how you're disagreeing with me here... Seems more like you understand that Star Wars
4. I would have to watch this again. I remember them being confused as to why she was turning around, but I don't remember any yells for "evasive maneuvers". I could have honestly missed it.

5. I think the loss of the bombers was a big point in the movie. But my point was more for the original movies. This movie made clear that the "Resistance" was finished. There was no reason for any of them to try to preserve anything. It was over and hope was dead. On the other hand the other movies all have some semblance of hope to the battles making it more likely that the people in charge would value their ships much more. As far as a direct look at finances it may be the hyperdrive is the most expensive part of a ship, which would make it unlikely that a drive yard would be willing to install them on asteroids when they could be making ships instead.

I'm not trying to "explain it away" or minimize this complaint. What I'm trying to do is give possible explanations that could be given so that you can watch this movie without having all of the other movies ruined by it. I too have serious issues with the currently trilogy, but while the Mary Poppins scene I consider completely unforgivable, the lightspeed attack I can at least rationalize if I work at it a bit.

 

[Exterous]

Well, the SW Universe has already established that a droid would never do it because their logic centers automatically override shit-odds options when it comes to survival.

Even the re-programmed imperial droid in Rogue One was still bitching about shit survival odds when that Spanish fellow handed a blaster to that hot chick as they were starting their mission.

I think that if they are able to build droids that at a minimum mimic sentience then they should be able to build droids that are ok with low odds. They had 'buzz droids' in Ep 3 which had an absurdly low survival rate and whose only real goal seemed to cause their target (and themselves) to crash\explode

 

[blankslate]

I still don't understand why people are so hung-up on the lightspeed attack.

In case you missed it here
There's no need for him to complain about it when a cheeky youtuber has already done so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QJRw56cOVw&t=25m35s
Yes it does break things. Now maybe some people are willing to let Rian "I DON'T REALLY G.A.F.F.A. SW" Johnson get away with a ginormous Death Planet sized plot hole in his movie... but apparently a lot of people aren't....

*e2a* oh yeah the video is NSFW

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[momeNt]

Who else thinks that Kylo's lightsaber should have a toggle to make part of the hilt shoot out into a full length lightsaber. So many times they locked swords he could have just pierced them with it! It makes no sense for him to have the first lightsaber with a hilt and not have it be actually functional in combat.