star wars vs star trek

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yllus

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<< Babylon 5

But I wouldn't compare it to ST or SW
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This is slightly off-topic, but I once got engaged in a debate on the official B5 board upon which technology would win in an open battle: B5 or Star Wars? The general thought was if you happened to negate the shields in Star Wars, or the White Star &quot;skin&quot; was a shield equivalent, it would be one hell of a close battle. So there's your comparison.

Gosh, I miss watching sci-fi. Watching TV in general, actually.
 

GreenBeret

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I used to watch Star Trek whenever it was on TV... Then voyager and the early seasons of DS9 happened. DS9 kicked booty during the Dardassian/Jem Hadar (sp) war. STV (sounds like STD for a reason) stinks most of the time. All these made up words solve the plot. That's no good. Favorite STNG episode: best of both worlds I&amp;II
TOS: The trouble with tribbles

Star Wars is. It always will be. It will last longer than ST. It's more epic.

Never seen Babylon 5 enough to venture an opinion.
 

BiggieN

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BOTH...they are totally different genres and cannot be compared. that's like comparing anandtech to pepsi.
 

Stallion

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Going to have to go with Star Wars. I belong to at least 5 different SW sites and am on a SW SETI team. Have almost all the original figures from 1977, and the ones from E1. And lots of other paraphinaelia(sp) related to the movies.

I will say this about ST. You have to love 7 of 9 on Voyager. Yowza.
 

ZapZilla

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Technology wise, one single Star Trek shuttle could wipe out the entire combined forces of the Empire and the Rebels. And a fleet of Starships could easily wipe out all the races of Babylon 5.

Story wise, they all have crap shows, mixed in with good shows.

However, one thing has always bothered me...A super powerful weapon in the Star Trek universe is not used as a weapon!

Any guesses as to what that weapon might be?
























The transporter! Why the hell isn't the transporter used to place a Nuke with a millisecond trigger or anti-matter or Klingon-bladder-beast-farted-death-gass or the like on an enemy ship or location? And for good measure strap a mini-cloaking device to it if need be.

Why the hell don't they transport the enemy captain's brain (or the entire enemy fleet's) or even an enemy warp core regulator 1 foot to the left? Wouldn't that be a hoot!!!

There are transporters that can penetrate any shield, ie, one such transporter would slightly scramble human DNA, but would transport matter just fine. Transporter weapon possibilites are endless, but never used or thought of, WTF!?
 

SKiller

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<< Bab 5 was OK but they had far too many filler plots. You know those corny episodes where everyone's sex drive is increased and they're forced to do...group work. Or maybe the space station needs painting but the damn Narn hid the paint and nobody can find it. Filler plots blew but the meatier stories were excellent. >>


What show were you watching? There were story-arc eps (~90%) and non-story-arc eps (~10%). I honestly don't recall any of the plot elements you mention. I'd be amazed to find something so idiotic as &quot;everyone's sex drive is in creased&quot; on B5. That would be secrelidge(sp?)!!

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To anyone comparing &quot;technology&quot; is scifi shows:

There are basically 2 kinds of these:
a. something based in real-world scientific principles/physics. Techs that are theoretically sound.
b. something that's a product of fantasy, really science &quot;fiction&quot;.

Comparing anything to the latter is pointless. And debating over this just so you can say &quot;our ships can kick all your ships' a$$es&quot; is just childish.
 

MisterM

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Out of those 2 Star Trek. But Babylon 5 is vastly superior to both of them. Mmmmm.....story arc!



<< The transporter! Why the hell isn't the transporter used to place a Nuke with a millisecond trigger or anti-matter or Klingon-bladder-beast-farted-death-gass or the like on an enemy ship or location? >>



Because transporters don`t work through shields, or when an ships shields are activated.
 

I'm Typing

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Zapzilla:
STV actually used the transporter technology to blow up a Borg scout ship. Pretty cool.
Coolest was species 8472--they kicked ass!



<< The weak shall perish! >>

 

Optimus

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Zap - they did the transporter as a weapon thing in the very funny Galaxy Quest... that was the BEST scene in the movie!

Star Wars vs. Star Trek - let's compare on a smaller level:

Ships: Star Destroyers, X wings, Tie Fighters, Slave one vs Enterprise - Star Wars
Small weapons: Light Sabers vs phasers - Star Wars
Large Weapons: Big lasers vs Photon Torpedos - Star Trek
Reckless leaders: Han Solo vs Kirk - Star Wars
Space Travel technology: Warp Drives vs &quot;HyperSpace&quot; - Star Trek
Villans: Darth Vader vs anything - Star Wars
Spiritual/Mystical ways of life: The Force vs Vulcan Logic - Star Wars
Annoying Characters: The cast of Voyager and Wesley Crusher vs Ewoks and Jar Jar...

...Aw, who cares about that one!
 

ZapZilla

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MisterM:

There are several episodes where transporters are used to get through shields. I remeber an episode where some type of dimensional/warp/phase transporter was used to transport through shields at will, but as mentioned before, it damaged human DNA.

Shields are easily comprimised anyway, which is why they are constantly in need of &quot;modulation&quot;. The Borg transport through shields all the time.

Yet, even if transporters could not pass through shields, why not transport many photon torpedoes to spots just outside a ships shield barrier? Why launch them and have them slowly &quot;fly&quot; through space to hit their target when transporter placement would be instant and pinpoint?

There are still many occasions where battles have been faught without sheild coverage or with damaged shields where transported weapons, or brain shifts 1 foot to the left would be devestating.

Also, since were talking transporters, why are there transporter pads? They are not needed.
 

FrogDog

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Star WARS for sure...I dislike Star-Trek very much and Star Wars are my favorite movies.
 

MisterM

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<< The Borg transport through shields all the time. >>



That`s because originaly they were supposed to be nearly unbeatable, and far more technically advanced than the federation...but then Voyager turned them to weak fools that couldn´t even take out an single Intrepid class ship, while actually, in Star Trek 8 an Borg Cube was only beat because of Picards technical knowledge about it, and it was going against ~40 ships, with IMHO at least 100 times the fire power of the Voyager.



<< Yet, even if transporters could not pass through shields, why not transport many photon torpedoes to spots just outside a ships shield barrier? >>



1) You would have to transport them through your own shields, which would introduce additional technicall dificultys.
2) Photon Torpedos travell very fast already, and beaming usually takes a few seconds, so there would be no real technical advantage to it...



<< There are still many occasions where battles have been faught without sheild coverage or with damaged shields where transported weapons, or brain shifts 1 foot to the left would be devestating. >>



I agree, but this would make the fights in Star Trek kinda pointless. The ship with O`Brian on board always wins.
 

Aquaman

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Star Wars, Star Trek &amp; Babylon 5 are good but.....................
























Spaceballs &amp; Galaxy Quest owns them all J/K

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

dc

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Season 4 of B5 was awesome, those cg battle scenes with vorlon and shadow ships kicked @SS!

dc
 

ZapZilla

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Yes, for every technology there has to be a counter technology (or fix) in order for the show plot to work, because complete, utter, domination would make for boring shows.

What would happen if one race, say the Q, snapped thier fingers and dominated all? Boring. Which is why even Q is made impotent and constrained by other Q, and other too-powerfull beings are above petty human affairs.

Which is precicely why I like the older Star Trek more than the new stuff as visual techno-razzle-dazzle wasn't a big focus and much more was left to the imagination. Also, in Star Wars (episodes 4,5,6) and in Babylon 5 the plot quality gets me watching: the techno-aspects serve merely as background fabric. The new Star Trek shows rely too much on techno special effects to prop up the plot lines.

However, I still think that simultaneous, or even repetative, pin point placement of a crapload of torpedoes right at a single strategic shield barrier point would be both devestating and plausible, even if one's own shields had to be passed on the way out. And it might take preparation time to deliver to target, but it would appear instantaneously to the enemy, leaving no time to evade or counter.

Hey, if I couldn't rip the plot or the techno-physics/science I wouldn't enjoy the shows nearly as much
 

Stark

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Battlestar Galactica beats them both.

Voyager is ok if nothing else is on.

SW is now a corporation, not a movie. I'm not giving Lucas any more of my money until he releases the original trilogy on DVD.
 

Mday

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star wars is for kiddies, star trek is more sexually stimulating (sometimes...) =P

anyway why compare? i find both entertaining...

i don't read the books or anything... so i can only compair the series and movies.
 

SKiller

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Just a reminder:

Reruns of Babylon 5 will be shown on the SciFi channel weekdays at 7pm starting September 25 in chronological order.
So if you've been meaning to give it a try, here's your chance.
 
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