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smackababy

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Actually if he has a 10MBit connection... and its in BITS and not BYTES.

Then its 8 BITS per BYTE.

So his download speed is as advertised because the Bliz Downloader was showing a .8MB/s.

The OP wants more then what he paid for.
If you want Turbo Speed get Turbo.

As i and others who are on turbo have said, we get well over 20-25, and sometimes even more.

The Peak download speed i reached was roughly 2 megs per second on off hours on torrents.

I've never gotten that high myself, but I usually cruise around 1Mbps mark. But yeah, I think OP is upset he didn't understand what he was paying for. Still, if other countries average 150 megabits per second, I don't see why we can't.
 

TridenT

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Turning off peer-to-peer just boosted my connection from going 200-400kilabytes/s down and 200-300kilabytes/s up to 1.2megabytes/s down and 0kilabytes/s down up. :awe:
 

Golgatha

Lifer
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I swear, the reading comprehension and units conversion in this thread is amazing....

I was getting 0.8Mbps or 0.1kBps, as in it takes 10 seconds to download 1MB of the file, or roughly 19 hours to bring down a 7GB file. Turning off P2P in the Blizzard downloader fixed the throughput and I was getting 9Mbps or 1.125MB per second, which takes my download time down to roughly 1.7 hours to download the same file.

Turning on a Bittorrent client downloading Knoppix on the same or another computer brings all computers on the network down to 0.8Mbps or 0.1kBps no matter what ports I'm requesting data from. I pay for and normally receive a minimum of 5-12Mbps. It is only when Bittorrent is running that my connection gets throttled back. I believe this is intentional and should be illegal IMO. And yes, Comcast just got their hands slapped for doing the same thing, but the decision was overturned early this year, so there is a precedent for allowing other cable monopolies to get away with this BS.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-indu...inst-fccs-comcast-net-neutrality-decision-634

Basically I refuse to support an ISP who is IMO pissing all over Net Neutrality. I have yet to see (AT&T was my ISP for the last 3.5 years) any kind of throttling on AT&T's network in my area, so I'm switching over to them.

P.S. the reduction in speed is nearly instantaneous when Bittorrent is launched, so the reduction in speed is absolutely not due to Bittorrent uploading or downloading to other peers, as almost no peers are connected when the program is first launched.
 
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Ichigo

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I swear, the reading comprehension and units conversion in this thread is amazing....

I was getting 0.8Mbps or 0.1kBps, as in it takes 10 seconds to download 1MB of the file, or roughly 19 hours to bring down a 7GB file. Turning off P2P in the Blizzard downloader fixed the throughput and I was getting 9Mbps or 1.125MB per second, which takes my download time down to roughly 1.7 hours to download the same file.

Turning on a Bittorrent client downloading Knoppix on the same or another computer brings all computers on the network down to 0.8Mbps or 0.1kBps no matter what ports I'm requesting data from. I pay for and normally receive a minimum of 5-12Mbps. It is only when Bittorrent is running that my connection gets throttled back. I believe this is intentional and should be illegal IMO. And yes, Comcast just got their hands slapped for doing the same thing, but the decision was overturned early this year, so there is a precedent for allowing other cable monopolies to get away with this BS.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-indu...inst-fccs-comcast-net-neutrality-decision-634

Basically I refuse to support an ISP who is IMO pissing all over Net Neutrality. I have yet to see (AT&T was my ISP for the last 3.5 years) any kind of throttling on AT&T's network in my area, so I'm switching over to them.

P.S. the reduction in speed is nearly instantaneous when Bittorrent is launched, so the reduction in speed is absolutely not due to Bittorrent uploading or downloading to other peers, as almost no peers are connected when the program is first launched.

Yeah I have no idea why people got confused. It might help to update the thread title to clarify that the problem was your ISP and not Blizzard Downloader though.

Throttling torrents. Boo.
 

MikeyLSU

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no download program will tellyou what you are downloading in Mbps, it will always be MBps which is part of the confusion.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
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no download program will tellyou what you are downloading in Mbps, it will always be MBps which is part of the confusion.

Yes, the value was found by using Speakeasy.net's speed test (which is in Mbps natively) and by back calculating time remaining vs file size from the Blizzard Downloader. Both direct measurement and back calculation methods produced a 0.8mbps download speed as the final result.
 
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smackababy

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Yes, the value was found by using Speakeasy.net's speed test (which is in Mbps natively) and by back calculating time remaining vs file size from the Blizzard Downloader. Both direct measurement and back calculation methods produced a 0.8mbps download speed as the final result.

Which is far from bad. Especially considering the game is massively popular and so close to release, people flooded the bandwidth. I don't understand why you're complaining? Blizzard even offered a pre-download option so you could log in and activate your game the second it went live.
 

ibex333

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Another case of a Nazi ISP. If people would switch ISPs instead of putting up with this crap, such things would not be happening. Time Warner would not be able to function if they had no customers. The idea of an ISP is to provide the connection, not tell people how much they can upload, what WHAT they can or cannot upload on the internet. This is absolutely ridiculous... Do you see liquor stores not selling alcohol because some abuse it? Do you see pharmacies not selling drugs because some become addicts? NO. Why should this be any different with ISPs then?

I love DSL. I can upload as much as I want, and whatever I want non stop, 24/7 and no one will ever say a word about it or throttle my connection. Sure, it is a much slower connection than cable, but at least I never have to worry about anything! No cable or fiberoptic network can beat that.
 

smackababy

Lifer
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Another case of a Nazi ISP. If people would switch ISPs instead of putting up with this crap, such things would not be happening. Time Warner would not be able to function if they had no customers. The idea of an ISP is to provide the connection, not tell people how much they can upload, what WHAT they can or cannot upload on the internet. This is absolutely ridiculous... Do you see liquor stores not selling alcohol because some abuse it? Do you see pharmacies not selling drugs because some become addicts? NO. Why should this be any different with ISPs then?

I love DSL. I can upload as much as I want, and whatever I want non stop, 24/7 and no one will ever say a word about it or throttle my connection. Sure, it is a much slower connection than cable, but at least I never have to worry about anything! No cable or fiberoptic network can beat that.

The thing is not everyone can switch ISPs. Where I live there is one (1) provider allowed to service the area. I have no other choice other than to go without. Now, I don't have the problems most people complain about (yet), but if I do can I give up high speed internet? I hardly think dial up can accommodate my online habits.
 

aigomorla

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Still, if other countries average 150 megabits per second, I don't see why we can't.

WTF 150megabits per second.. are u kidding me?

thats roughly 18.5megabytes per second download.

DUDE USB2.0 isnt even that fast sometimes in HD transfer.

Your talking about the average communication time for a INTERNAL Gigabit LAN network.
 
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gorcorps

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WTF 150megabits per second.. are u kidding me?

thats roughly 18.5megabytes per second download.

DUDE USB2.0 isnt even that fast sometimes in HD transfer.

Your talking about the average communication time for a INTERNAL Gigabit LAN network.

Sounds like he's just pulling #'s out of his ass... go figure.

The numbers on speedtest.net agree with other articles I've read on average net speed:
http://www.speedtest.net/global.php#0
 

smackababy

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WTF 150megabits per second.. are u kidding me?

thats roughly 18.5megabytes per second download.

DUDE USB2.0 isnt even that fast sometimes in HD transfer.

Your talking about the average communication time for a INTERNAL Gigabit LAN network.

Yep, I read it wrong. I thought it was in megabytes per second and South Korea is like 20 with Japan in 18. Regardless, the average for the US is around 5. Internet speeds here are pathetic. But that is to be expected when a city attempts to subsidize 300mbps internet for its residents and a cable company wins a law suit against them.
 

Cogman

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I've never gotten that high myself, but I usually cruise around 1Mbps mark. But yeah, I think OP is upset he didn't understand what he was paying for. Still, if other countries average 150 megabits per second, I don't see why we can't.

NO other country averages 150 megabits per second... http://samaw.com/the-fastest-internet-speed-in-the-world-by-countries/4186

Also, It has a lot to do with size. The US has the most internet users in the world as well as one of the largest landmasses of any county.
 

aigomorla

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Internet speeds here are pathetic. But that is to be expected when a city attempts to subsidize 300mbps internet for its residents and a cable company wins a law suit against them.

I think your getting the m and K mixed up.

The AVERAGE american is on a 768kbps / 386 kbps down/up.

The AVERAGE GAMER will be on a 1.5Mbps / 768kbps

The AVERAGE Torrenter will be on a 6Mbps / 1Mbps.

In Korea the bandwith is faster then the US average, but not the high speed.
In Korea at a PC Bang... A public computer station, you get roughly 1-1.5megabytes per second in download. That is roughly a 8-10Mbps connection.

Your values your claiming are so majorly inflated..
If we had speeds that fast, the movie industry would cry.

Downloading a blue ray from itunes would take you less time to get then going over to a blockbuster and browsing though the DVD titles.
 
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smackababy

Lifer
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I think your getting the m and K mixed up.

The AVERAGE american is on a 768kbps / 386 kbps down/up.

The AVERAGE GAMER will be on a 1.5Mbps / 768kbps

The AVERAGE Torrenter will be on a 6Mbps / 1Mbps.

In Korea the bandwith is faster then the US average, but not the high speed.
In Korea at a PC Bang... A public computer station, you get roughly 1-1.5megabytes per second in download. That is roughly a 8-10Mbps connection.

Your values your claiming are so majorly inflated..
If we had speeds that fast, the movie industry would cry.

Downloading a blue ray from itunes would take you less time to get then going over to a blockbuster and browsing though the DVD titles.
I based my estimation of 150megabits per second on the 20.3mb/s I've seen in a few reports. Again, that was something I read. Sure, not every Korean will have internet that fast, but that was the reported average. I'd wager 1-1.5 megabytes per second is much faster than the majority of Americans ever experience.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
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Which is far from bad. Especially considering the game is massively popular and so close to release, people flooded the bandwidth. I don't understand why you're complaining? Blizzard even offered a pre-download option so you could log in and activate your game the second it went live.

With P2P turned off it downloaded at around a sustained 9Mbps or well over 1MB per second. Given the number of copies they must have sold, I find it utterly amazing they were able to get the game to me at those kinds of speeds. Blizzard's network is elite and gets the gold star for direct downloads from their servers. No argument from me on that point.
 

Golgatha

Lifer
Jul 18, 2003
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Another case of a Nazi ISP. If people would switch ISPs instead of putting up with this crap, such things would not be happening. Time Warner would not be able to function if they had no customers. The idea of an ISP is to provide the connection, not tell people how much they can upload, what WHAT they can or cannot upload on the internet. This is absolutely ridiculous... Do you see liquor stores not selling alcohol because some abuse it? Do you see pharmacies not selling drugs because some become addicts? NO. Why should this be any different with ISPs then?

I love DSL. I can upload as much as I want, and whatever I want non stop, 24/7 and no one will ever say a word about it or throttle my connection. Sure, it is a much slower connection than cable, but at least I never have to worry about anything! No cable or fiberoptic network can beat that.

Yea, and in my case I get a slightly faster connection, no throttling, and a non-shared line (so my 12Mbps should be very close to 12Mbps regardless of time of day) for $8 more per month + $149 installation fee. I find the installation fee ridiculous, which is why I gave TW a chance in the first place, but the terribad service isn't worth it to me at any price.
 

Cogman

Lifer
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I based my estimation of 150megabits per second on the 20.3mb/s I've seen in a few reports. Again, that was something I read. Sure, not every Korean will have internet that fast, but that was the reported average. I'd wager 1-1.5 megabytes per second is much faster than the majority of Americans ever experience.

Your freaking way off. NOBODY measures internet speeds in MB/s, it is ALWAYS Mbps or Megabits per second. Big B = byte, little b = bit.

A internet router with 10 fiber ports at speeds of 1gbps costs about $22k. You really expect us to believe that there are places where internet service providers are spending $2200+ per customer just for their routers?
 
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I swear, the reading comprehension and units conversion in this thread is amazing....

I was getting 0.8Mbps or 0.1kBps, as in it takes 10 seconds to download 1MB of the file, or roughly 19 hours to bring down a 7GB file. Turning off P2P in the Blizzard downloader fixed the throughput and I was getting 9Mbps or 1.125MB per second, which takes my download time down to roughly 1.7 hours to download the same file.

Turning on a Bittorrent client downloading Knoppix on the same or another computer brings all computers on the network down to 0.8Mbps or 0.1kBps no matter what ports I'm requesting data from. I pay for and normally receive a minimum of 5-12Mbps. It is only when Bittorrent is running that my connection gets throttled back. I believe this is intentional and should be illegal IMO. And yes, Comcast just got their hands slapped for doing the same thing, but the decision was overturned early this year, so there is a precedent for allowing other cable monopolies to get away with this BS.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-indu...inst-fccs-comcast-net-neutrality-decision-634

Basically I refuse to support an ISP who is IMO pissing all over Net Neutrality. I have yet to see (AT&T was my ISP for the last 3.5 years) any kind of throttling on AT&T's network in my area, so I'm switching over to them.

P.S. the reduction in speed is nearly instantaneous when Bittorrent is launched, so the reduction in speed is absolutely not due to Bittorrent uploading or downloading to other peers, as almost no peers are connected when the program is first launched.

Your OP still shows 0.8MBps when you really meant 0.8Mbps. It also shows you saying your connection should be at 10MBps, which you really meant 10Mbps.
 
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AlgaeEater

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Another case of a Nazi ISP. If people would switch ISPs instead of putting up with this crap, such things would not be happening. Time Warner would not be able to function if they had no customers. The idea of an ISP is to provide the connection, not tell people how much they can upload, what WHAT they can or cannot upload on the internet. This is absolutely ridiculous... Do you see liquor stores not selling alcohol because some abuse it? Do you see pharmacies not selling drugs because some become addicts? NO. Why should this be any different with ISPs then?

I love DSL. I can upload as much as I want, and whatever I want non stop, 24/7 and no one will ever say a word about it or throttle my connection. Sure, it is a much slower connection than cable, but at least I never have to worry about anything! No cable or fiberoptic network can beat that.

Believe me if I could switch ISP's, I could. But in my area there is only ATROCIOUS AT&T DSL, which in my eyes is far worse than Time Warner in all ways imaginable. Nothing like having your neighbor turn on their halogen light and knocking your DSL offline. Or my personal favorite - having a DSL tech come and actually cutting your phone line by accident thus disconnecting you from service until they get it fixed - next week.
 
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