STOP calling me that! I'm not a fleabag! I have good hygiene and I don't believe I have made any such suggestion that I have had fleas or anything of the sort.. Maybe it's an attack against Obama, that Obama needs to go back to where he came from where they have sand fleas?obamanation is fleabag.
STOP calling me that! I'm not a fleabag! I have good hygiene and I don't believe I have made any such suggestion that I have had fleas or anything of the sort.. Maybe it's an attack against Obama, that Obama needs to go back to where he came from where they have sand fleas?
I think it's a little unfair to call him fleabag before any proof has been shown.
So is he fleabag or just another troll?If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
If he didn't troll, he wouldn't attract the attention. Ultimately, I'm just giving him exactly the attention he obviously. All a troll wants is to be fed; I'm just obliging him.
ZV
So is he fleabag or just another troll?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's him too. The obtuseness of his reaction certainly convinces me of it (who wouldn't do a search?)Based on significant posting similarities, the fact that he appeared immediately after fleabag was banned from the Garage, and other data that are available, I am personally fully certain that the two accounts are the same person.
However we don't usually ban without indisputable evidence and so far that has not happened.
ZV
STOP calling me that! I'm not a fleabag! I have good hygiene and I don't believe I have made any such suggestion that I have had fleas or anything of the sort.. Maybe it's an attack against Obama, that Obama needs to go back to where he came from where they have sand fleas?
(you quoting an article)
The 2010 Prius ergonomics were designed for only two kinds of creatures: those who like to sit five inches back from the front windshield and orangutans. Everyone else will find that the steering wheel, adjustable now for tilt and reach, is still too far away for a proper seat position.
The guy probably just sucks at driving. I've had people drive my Corolla and say it accelerates too slow. Then I take the wheel and get up to the standard 40mph city speed limit in like 3 seconds. Push the fucking pedals harder. Some people have a real problem figuring out how a car operates. Just today I was trying to get onto a freeway and the douche in front of me merged onto a 80km/h road going about 60km/h, then it still took him at least 10 more seconds to get up to the speed limit. Grrr I swear I'm going to die from a heart attack while driving.The car defaults to its economy mode to start, which makes it impossible to make it up my driveway or escape the neighbors kids on their bikes.
A Toyota Rav4 does 0-60 in about 7-8 seconds. That's sporty enough. linkIf you want a "sporty vehicle", you don't buy an SUV, Crossover or a wagon, that'd be ridiculous. I don't care how "sporty" you think your suv is, it's not and if you drive it like that, you're putting everybody around you at risk.
I know you're trolling, but I really want to hear you out on this. I want you to name 1 feature the Prius has that my piece of shit Corolla can't have. My Corolla has the following:The Prius is quite advanced and has some features only found in the upper echelon of vehicles.
This is completely wrong. According to Toyota, the Corolla can handle 1025lbs of weight inside the car (GVWR minus curb weight), and the towing capacity is 1500lbs.As for you comparing the Prius to the Corolla, that's hilarious because not only can the Corolla not tow shit either
Corolla EPA passenger volume: 92 cubic feetthe Corolla is a compact car while the Prius is a midsize car, there is really no comparison at all
It's laughable you made this claim without even reading Toyota's spec sheets. Are you aware that car companies measure things like this?There is a hell of a lot more room in a Prius than there is in a Corolla.. It's laughable that you would compare a Prius with a Corolla.
Let me guess. You're one of those guys who merges onto the highway going half the speed limit and forces tractor trailers to slam on the brakes. I drive my Corolla balls to the wall every day because that's the only safe way to drive. If you're getting on the freeway, stop fucking around, get up to speed, then merge. If you're getting on a highway from a dead stop at an intersection, you better have that pedal all the way to floor.For a lot of people, their requirement for a car that is "fast enough" is this: Does it throw me back in my seat? and.. how quickly can I throw myself across the passenger cabin? Again, it's a useless metric because you shouldn't be driving like that in your everyday driving, especially in an SUV. It's completely irresponsible to be driving these behemoths in such a way.
Did you actually do the calculation to see where the crossover point is, when the Prius actually pays for itself? Since I've already established that my Corolla has the same features as a Prius and is within 2% of the size, I'll compare it against a Corolla, even though the Corolla has better 0-60, better quarter mile, better top speed, looks less gay, etc. I'll compare it against the Corolla I own, the 2010 Corolla LE. As usual, CDN money, include taxes, basing it on combined mileage, Canada's test method, gas price $0.90/L in my city. Gas in the US is actually cheaper, so that would make it take even longer to break even, but whatever.I could say, word for word, exactly what you've said about the Mazdas as I can about the Prius. There is nothing economical about any of the vehicles listed in this thread
That's the problem, that isn't sporty, that's just "fast" which is fucking stupid in an SUV. I don't like "fast" trucks because people drive them like cars when they're not cars.. They're not safe vehicles and when you combine distracted idiots who think they're in safe vehicles that are high powered, you have a potential mess on your hands. Even a 1500lb car is a hunk of metal that can kill, let alone a 4000lb+ vehicle. Heavy vehicles should be slow, those that really need the vehicle will continue to use it while all the other "trendy idiots" will go back to cars.A Toyota Rav4 does 0-60 in about 7-8 seconds. That's sporty enough. link
Knee AirbagsI know you're trolling, but I really want to hear you out on this. I want you to name 1 feature the Prius has that my piece of shit Corolla can't have. My Corolla has the following:
-automatic climate control
-push button starter
-RF smart key
-2 resettable trip odometers, inst gas mileage, ave gas mileage, outside temperature, engine run time
-power windows, power locks, heated mirrors, cruise control, audio input jack
-traction and stability control
-power seats and power moonroof are optional
-heated leather seats are optional
-dvd navigation system is an option (I bought a $130 GPS at Best Buy and it works just as good)
So what does the Prius have?
You should pretty much never tow with these cars, there are too many things that could go wrong and you'll put serious wear and tear on everything you can think of and some things you can't. In the Owner's manual of many cars, it'll list a max towing capacity but then preface that by saying towing is not recommended. I really can't fathom how towing with a unibody vehicle is a good idea. Towing is pretty much the only reason why ladder frame vehicles aren't going away, just maybe for the lower tiers of vehicles.This is completely wrong. According to Toyota, the Corolla can handle 1025lbs of weight inside the car (GVWR minus curb weight), and the towing capacity is 1500lbs.
The Prius can handle only 938lbs inside the car (GVWR minus curb weight), and the towing capacity isn't even listed. I think that means you're not supposed to tow ANYTHING with a Prius. The transmission and frame just can't take it.
You're calculating just passenger volume.. A vehicle's designation as a "subcompact", "compact", "midsize" and "fullsize" is a combination of passenger volume + cargo volume. So you could have a CRX with seating for four that had a really huge trunk and it would be considered a "fullsize" vehicle. Also you could have a car with a passenger volume the size of a Suburban but 1ft^2 of cargo area and the car would probably be classified as a "compact" car.Corolla EPA passenger volume: 92 cubic feet
Prius EPA passenger volume: 93.7 cubic feet
Camry EPA passenger volume: 101.4 cubic feet
Lulz.. this is the problem, people have incorrectly learned the following:Let me guess. You're one of those guys who merges onto the highway going half the speed limit and forces tractor trailers to slam on the brakes. I drive my Corolla balls to the wall every day because that's the only safe way to drive. If you're getting on the freeway, stop fucking around, get up to speed, then merge. If you're getting on a highway from a dead stop at an intersection, you better have that pedal all the way to floor.
I can't even respond to ANY of your numbers because they're all wrong and make incorrect assumptions.. I'll just say that the cost of the vehicles you have listed are incorrect, especially for the trims you have the prices associated with.. Who the fuck would pay $30K for a base Prius??Did you actually do the calculation to see where the crossover point is, when the Prius actually pays for itself?
The things bolded are features my Corolla has. So basically the advantage of having a Prius is that you get knee airbags and a backup camera. The size of the car is not "a luxury feature only found in expensive cars" or however you phrased it.Knee Airbags
Automatic headlights
longer wheel base
more rear hip room
more cargo room (which is what makes it a midsize car)
automatic climate control
front adjustable lumbar support
universal garage door opener
illuminated vanity mirrors
8 speakers
backup camera
That sounds fucking awesome. Just give me a second to figure out how much this will cost me.The Advanced Technology package when added to the Navigation package includes adaptive cruise control, pre-collision alert system, a lane departure warning system and automated self parking.
They put a rating on it for a reason. If Toyota says this car will pull 1500lbs without breaking, then I trust them on that. They figure these things out by testing it until it breaks then rounding down by a lot just to make sure the rated number is nowhere near the breaking point. It's not like they find it breaks at 1550 then they say you can pull 1500. It's more like break at 2500 but rate it for 1500 just to be safe. They also consider things like stopping distance or ability to stop at all; even with a strong frame, pulling something 5000 pounds would be unstoppable once it gets moving. The tires would skid and the brakes would melt before the car and 5000lb load come to a stop.You should pretty much never tow with these cars, there are too many things that could go wrong and you'll put serious wear and tear on everything you can think of and some things you can't. In the Owner's manual of many cars, it'll list a max towing capacity but then preface that by saying towing is not recommended. I really can't fathom how towing with a unibody vehicle is a good idea. Towing is pretty much the only reason why ladder frame vehicles aren't going away, just maybe for the lower tiers of vehicles.
Sorry but that's how people drive. You can't buy a car with insufficient power then say everyone else needs to change. It won't happen. Another thing is that lots of highways are single lane highways. There's no other lane to be in, so your car needs to get up to speed fast or else people need to brake to prevent hitting you.I'm going to cruise at 65mph in the lane where people merge onto the freeway because I'm a fucking idiot with no clue how to drive.. STAY OUT OF THE FAR RIGHT LANE UNLESS YOU'RE GETTING ON OR OFF THE HIGHWAY OR DRIVING AT A LOW RATE OF SPEED.
Um the people who buy it pay that much?I can't even respond to ANY of your numbers because they're all wrong and make incorrect assumptions.. I'll just say that the cost of the vehicles you have listed are incorrect, especially for the trims you have the prices associated with.. Who the fuck would pay $30K for a base Prius??
Like I said, I don't know where you're getting your numbers but it's clearly stated on the Toyota website that the MSRP for the Prius II is $22,800 and $28,070 for the Prius V which is the one with the "advanced technology" package. I'll get to your other shit later as I had to get this nonsense out of the way.Um the people who buy it pay that much?
If you're really set on a midsize car and you can do without the backup camera (turn your fucking head, it's not hard), check out the base Camry. It's a great car, 6 speed transmission, cost 10 grand less than the Prius with the nav package.
The advanced technology package should not cost you $37K, there is no number of options you can add to the vehicle that should bring the price up that high.The things bolded are features my Corolla has. So basically the advantage of having a Prius is that you get knee airbags and a backup camera. The size of the car is not "a luxury feature only found in expensive cars" or however you phrased it.
That sounds fucking awesome. Just give me a second to figure out how much this will cost me.
I'm waiting for someone like ZV to chime in with their thoughts on this. Great that Toyota has a rating, however it is a very bad idea to tow with these vehicles. The fact that towing with an actual truck puts a huge amount of wear on it should indicate that doing so with a car would be significantly worse. I've heard about trailer hitches ripping through the sheet metal over time as there is no solid part of the car to attach to. It would be like hanging a painting on the wall using the sheet rock as the support.They put a rating on it for a reason. If Toyota says this car will pull 1500lbs without breaking, then I trust them on that. They figure these things out by testing it until it breaks then rounding down by a lot just to make sure the rated number is nowhere near the breaking point. It's not like they find it breaks at 1550 then they say you can pull 1500. It's more like break at 2500 but rate it for 1500 just to be safe. They also consider things like stopping distance or ability to stop at all; even with a strong frame, pulling something 5000 pounds would be unstoppable once it gets moving. The tires would skid and the brakes would melt before the car and 5000lb load come to a stop.
Not where I live... What's the excuse for people where I live yet behave exactly as you describe? We have highways with I think 6 lanes in EACH DIRECTION yet "somehow" this is apparently an issue. I don't know what the solution to single lane highways is except for the fact that you shouldn't have highways with people going 65mph+ with one narrow lane in each direction. But even so, if you have a single lane highway, it's not like it isn't possible to merge onto there safely, it just means you need to wait for a bigger lull in the traffic flow before you get in. The highest speeds I've seen on single lane roads (each direction) is like 55mph and those lanes were WIIIIDE. So wide that they could've easily made it like 3 lanes in each direction.Sorry but that's how people drive. You can't buy a car with insufficient power then say everyone else needs to change. It won't happen. Another thing is that lots of highways are single lane highways. There's no other lane to be in, so your car needs to get up to speed fast or else people need to brake to prevent hitting you.
Do a google image search for the word "highway" and see what happens. You'll notice that more than half of the results are pictures of single lane highways. What does that tell you about how common single lane highways are?Not where I live... What's the excuse for people where I live yet behave exactly as you describe? We have highways with I think 6 lanes in EACH DIRECTION yet "somehow" this is apparently an issue. I don't know what the solution to single lane highways is except for the fact that you shouldn't have highways with people going 65mph+ with one narrow lane in each direction. But even so, if you have a single lane highway, it's not like it isn't possible to merge onto there safely, it just means you need to wait for a bigger lull in the traffic flow before you get in. The highest speeds I've seen on single lane roads (each direction) is like 55mph and those lanes were WIIIIDE. So wide that they could've easily made it like 3 lanes in each direction.
Stop buying ball hitches from Walmart. The real ones bolt to the frame of the car.fleabag said:I've heard about trailer hitches ripping through the sheet metal over time as there is no solid part of the car to attach to.
Used is definitely a viable option. 2007 or newer, 30k or less miles, under 20k. Would like it to be reliable, sporty, comfortable ride, quiet ride and enough room to fit a decent amount of stuff.
I'm waiting for someone like ZV to chime in with their thoughts on this. Great that Toyota has a rating, however it is a very bad idea to tow with these vehicles. The fact that towing with an actual truck puts a huge amount of wear on it should indicate that doing so with a car would be significantly worse. I've heard about trailer hitches ripping through the sheet metal over time as there is no solid part of the car to attach to. It would be like hanging a painting on the wall using the sheet rock as the support.
You don't think having two bolts that are loaded down on a unibody structure aren't going to eventually make the holes they're situated in get bigger? When you're driving along the road and you hit bumps, that trailer hitch is going to get loaded down far more than the 100lbs it is rated at. It's not the same to bolt through the unibody as it is to bolt through the frame. The only other way to fix this problem would be to weld the hitch onto the body but that isn't practical for most people. The major limitations for towing you listed are for vehicles that are designed for towing, I think it's completely asinine to think towing with any of these cars is a good idea at all. I'm sure you can get away with it but I've heard too many and see too much damage done by trailer hitches on unibody cars.Fine, I'll chime in. You're wrong, Shawn's right. Unibody has nothing to do with it. The major limitations in towing are braking capacity and transmission cooling. I've also never seen any professionally installed trailer hitch "ripping through the sheet metal" except in cases of severe rust damage or consistent and severe overloading (e.g. 500 pounds of tongue weight on a class I hitch, etc). Once again you prove that you know nothing at all about cars.
ZV
What qualifies you to have an opinion about this?You don't think having two bolts that are loaded down on a unibody structure aren't going to eventually make the holes they're situated in get bigger?
Have you ever tried holding a painting on the wall without running a nail to the studs but instead having the sheet rock hold the nail which holds the painting? Kinda like that.. When you hang things on a wall, you don't attach to the sheet rock, you attach to the stud which is supporting the sheet rock. On a unibody car, the structure is made of sheet rock and while it is as a whole strong, it's very thing and consequently it's pretty easy to rip when you have a lot of force in a very small area.. This isn't an issue in a ladder-frame assembly because the part you bolt to is much more dense and stronger than the little part of the car you'd bolt the trailer hitch to in a unibody frame.
No. Tell me again what this has to do with anything.Have you ever tried holding a painting on the wall without running a nail to the studs but instead having the sheet rock hold the nail which holds the painting?
Have you ever tried holding a painting on the wall without running a nail to the studs but instead having the sheet rock hold the nail which holds the painting? Kinda like that.. When you hang things on a wall, you don't attach to the sheet rock, you attach to the stud which is supporting the sheet rock. On a unibody car, the structure is made of sheet rock and while it is as a whole strong, it's very thing and consequently it's pretty easy to rip when you have a lot of force in a very small area.. This isn't an issue in a ladder-frame assembly because the part you bolt to is much more dense and stronger than the little part of the car you'd bolt the trailer hitch to in a unibody frame.
I almost bought a Fit but I couldn't get over the fact that it doesn't have traction or stability control. Those don't really do anything if you live in Florida, but in Canada it's a big deal.
I agreed with everything you said when I thought to myself.... Except the quoted struck me as odd.
People actually care about stuff like that when buying a car? I've never had it on any car I've owned and I really don't see how it something someone would go out of their way to get. It just sorta made me think of the popular "people have been driving cars for X amount of years and haven't needed X technology so far"
Anyways, was just wondering why you were so interested in getting this option.