Statement from General Wesley Clark

Gaard

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"Today George W. Bush made a very compelling and thoughtful argument for why he should not be reelected. In his own words, he told the American people that "...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

"President Bush couldn't be more right. He jumped to conclusions about any connection between Saddam Hussein and 911. He jumped to conclusions about weapons of mass destruction. He jumped to conclusions about the mission being accomplished. He jumped to conclusions about how we had enough troops on the ground to win the peace. And because he jumped to conclusions, terrorists and insurgents in Iraq may very well have their hands on powerful explosives to attack our troops, we are stuck in Iraq without a plan to win the peace, and Americans are less safe both at home and abroad."

"By doing all these things, he broke faith with our men and women in uniform. He has let them down. George W. Bush is unfit to be our Commander in Chief."

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rickn

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it's ironic, I was watching Wolf Blitzer, and they had a small snippet of the president giving that speech and after he was finished I mumbled to myself "just like you"

you wanna talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
 

XZeroII

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:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.
Hunh? Everything Clark said has been proven over and over again. We see the proof of that in the news each and every day.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.
What has, your worthless, self-owning, pseudo-authoritative post? Ohhh, you mean Bush! How blind can you be? Do I have to do your reading for you? Christ!

The quote is, ""...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

You need look no further than Gaard's sig, a direct quote from the guy I don't want as CIC:
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two."
Need I remind you that the administration ITSELF has since admitted there were none?

Well, need I? :roll:
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.

:thumbsup: No it hasn't.
 

glenn1

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I'm not sure the advice of a guy who was fired by President Clinton's own Secretary of Defense William Cohen is what I'd rely on when it comes to judging who is worthy of being Commander in Chief.
 
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Originally posted by: glenn1
I'm not sure the advice of a guy who was fired by President Clinton's own Secretary of Defense William Cohen is what I'd rely on when it comes to judging who is worthy of being Commander in Chief.

Oh yeah? Do you prefer, for example, the advice of a bloated drug addict who couldn't make it in Top 40 radio to that of a retired 4-star general?

Gen Clark was the target of a lot of smearing by the right-wing media outlets when he ran for president, but by all appearances he was rotated out of the SACEUR job because Gen Shelton didn't like his close relationship with President Clinton.

We may never really know, but I regard statements like yours as nothing more than cheap innuendo.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: XZeroII
:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.
What has, your worthless, self-owning, pseudo-authoritative post? Ohhh, you mean Bush! How blind can you be? Do I have to do your reading for you? Christ!

The quote is, ""...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

You need look no further than Gaard's sig, a direct quote from the guy I don't want as CIC:
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two."
Need I remind you that the administration ITSELF has since admitted there were none?

Well, need I? :roll:

WTF are you talking about? Read the freaking post and take my post in context to it for crying out loud. This has to do with jumping to conclusions, not with lying, you twit. And it's been proven that Bush didn't just 'jump to conclusions' on whether Iraq has weapons or not.


This place always brings out the worst in me. I can't stand the ignorance displayed in here. My appologies.
 

XZeroII

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Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: glenn1
I'm not sure the advice of a guy who was fired by President Clinton's own Secretary of Defense William Cohen is what I'd rely on when it comes to judging who is worthy of being Commander in Chief.

Oh yeah? Do you prefer, for example, the advice of a bloated drug addict who couldn't make it in Top 40 radio to that of a retired 4-star general?

Gen Clark was the target of a lot of smearing by the right-wing media outlets when he ran for president, but by all appearances he was rotated out of the SACEUR job because Gen Shelton didn't like his close relationship with President Clinton.

We may never really know, but I regard statements like yours as nothing more than cheap innuendo.

Please don't start with that 4 star general crap. We went through this crap a long time ago. He has ZERO credibility anymore.
 

AutomaticErik

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"...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

Hahahaha....that's the funniest thing ever. Bush should learn to heed his own advice.
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: XZeroII
:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.
What has, your worthless, self-owning, pseudo-authoritative post? Ohhh, you mean Bush! How blind can you be? Do I have to do your reading for you? Christ!

The quote is, ""...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

You need look no further than Gaard's sig, a direct quote from the guy I don't want as CIC:
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two."
Need I remind you that the administration ITSELF has since admitted there were none?

Well, need I? :roll:

WTF are you talking about? Read the freaking post and take my post in context to it for crying out loud. This has to do with jumping to conclusions, not with lying, you twit. And it's been proven that Bush didn't just 'jump to conclusions' on whether Iraq has weapons or not.


This place always brings out the worst in me. I can't stand the ignorance displayed in here. My appologies.

No it hasn't.

 

rickn

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Originally posted by: AutomaticErik
"...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

Hahahaha....that's the funniest thing ever. Bush should learn to heed his own advice.

I'm Geoge W Boosh, and I approve this Mausage
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: XZeroII
:thumbsdown: Most of this has been disproved already hundreds of times already on these boards.
What has, your worthless, self-owning, pseudo-authoritative post? Ohhh, you mean Bush! How blind can you be? Do I have to do your reading for you? Christ!

The quote is, ""...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

You need look no further than Gaard's sig, a direct quote from the guy I don't want as CIC:
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two."
Need I remind you that the administration ITSELF has since admitted there were none?

Well, need I? :roll:

WTF are you talking about? Read the freaking post and take my post in context to it for crying out loud. This has to do with jumping to conclusions, not with lying, you twit. And it's been proven that Bush didn't just 'jump to conclusions' on whether Iraq has weapons or not.


This place always brings out the worst in me. I can't stand the ignorance displayed in here. My appologies.

Don't sweat it Commander. I bet they get all their information from MOVIES.
 
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Originally posted by: XZeroII

Please don't start with that 4 star general crap. We went through this crap a long time ago. He has ZERO credibility anymore.

Oh, forgive me - I didn't know there was an ***OFFICIAL*** XZeroII position paper on Gen Clark. So do you have more credibility than SACEUR for some reason I'm unaware of?
 

glenn1

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Gen Clark was the target of a lot of smearing by the right-wing media outlets when he ran for president, but by all appearances he was rotated out of the SACEUR job because Gen Shelton didn't like his close relationship with President Clinton.

We may never really know, but I regard statements like yours as nothing more than cheap innuendo.

What cheap innuendo? As you pointed out General Shelton was Clark's boss, and he and his boss (Secretary Cohen) fired him. You basically just gave more background on it, hinting at the reasons (going outside of the chain of command), whereas I just stated the fact that he was fired.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: Gaard
"Today George W. Bush made a very compelling and thoughtful argument for why he should not be reelected. In his own words, he told the American people that "...a political candidate who jumps to conclusions without knowing the facts is not a person you want as your Commander in Chief."

"President Bush couldn't be more right. He jumped to conclusions about any connection between Saddam Hussein and 911. He jumped to conclusions about weapons of mass destruction. He jumped to conclusions about the mission being accomplished. He jumped to conclusions about how we had enough troops on the ground to win the peace. And because he jumped to conclusions, terrorists and insurgents in Iraq may very well have their hands on powerful explosives to attack our troops, we are stuck in Iraq without a plan to win the peace, and Americans are less safe both at home and abroad."

"By doing all these things, he broke faith with our men and women in uniform. He has let them down. George W. Bush is unfit to be our Commander in Chief."

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I guess this makes eight, huh?


Position 1: October 2002: For The War. Although he publicly questioned the Bush doctrine of preemptive war, Clark said he supported the war resolution in early October 2002 ? the day before it came to a vote ? and advised then-congressional candidate Katrina Swett to vote for the resolution ?after vigorous debate.? ??Certainly in certain cases we should go to war before our enemies strike, and I think this situation applies here,? he said. He now says ?I don't remember all of the specifics? about his conversation with Swett. As late as April 2003, in an op-ed in the Times of London after the fall of Baghdad, Clark wrote that Bush and Prime Minister Tony Blair ?should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt.? [AP, 10/9/02; www.politicsnh.com, 10/9/02; ABC?s Good Morning America, 10/15/03; Wesley Clark, What Must Be Done to Complete A Great Victory, The London Times, 4/10/03]

Position 2: September 18, 2003: Probably For The War. The Washington Post reported that Clark said he ?probably? would have voted for the resolution, and characterized his position as resembling that of Senators Lieberman and Kerry, ?both of whom voted for the war but now question President Bush's stewardship of the Iraqi occupation. ?That having been said, I was against the war as it emerged because there was no reason to start it when we did. We could have waited,? Clark said.? [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

Position 3: September 18, 2003: ?I?ve Said It Both Ways.? But the New York Times reported that on the same day, Clark admitted that ?I don't know if I would have [voted for the resolution] or not. I've said it both ways, because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position. On balance, I probably would have voted for it.? [New York Times, 9/20/03]

Position 4: September 19, 2003: Against the War. ??Let's make one thing real clear, I would never have voted for this war,? Clark told the Associated Press the next day. ?I've gotten (sic) a very consistent record on this.? The New York Times reported Clark said ?What I would have voted for is leverage. Leverage for the United States to avoid a war.? [Washington Post, 9/20/03; New York Times, 9/20/03]

Position 5: October 6, 2003: For The War?With Exceptions. Just a few weeks later, Clark reportedly told a town hall meeting in Little Rock that ?the only resolution he would have supported were proposals giving the president the support of Congress to go to the United Nations and see a war resolution? and requiring that the President return to Congress for final permission to go to war. ??I would have voted for leverage to get the problem internationalized,? he said.? [Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, 10/6/03]

Position 6: October 22, 2003: ?I Wasn?t Following the Resolution.? In a call to a Boston Globe reporter, Clark reiterated that he ?would have voted no on that resolution." Asked why he had advised Katrina Swett to support the resolution, he responded, ?Because I wasn't following the resolution and I didn't even know what was in the resolution ? My message is that I am not a political consultant, period.? But according to the Associated Press, Swett said that ?Clark was ?extremely intelligent and well-spoken? on the resolution when discussing it with her. 'At that time, frankly, he spoke with great knowledge about Iraq and the upcoming vote,' she said. 'My impression is that he knew more about it than most of us.'? [Boston Globe, 10/24/03; AP, 10/24/03]

Position 7: November 24, 2003: ??I Bobbled the Question?? ?With respect to the opening of my campaign, I want to tell you, I bobbled the question on the first day of the campaign in the back of an airplane.? [Clark, DNC/MSNBC Debate, 11/24/03]

 
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