Statism: The Most Dangerous Religion

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hal2kilo

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Can't be that simple. I and many of my friends were all raised in very conservative, ultra-religious households. Roughly 50% broke free and became very liberal, while the other 50% stayed and are passing the same environment on to their own children. Sample size probably north of 100 people.

Funny how that works. Whats funny is that the sunday school I was forced to go to is where I learned my liberalism. Damn Jesus!
 

NoStateofMind

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This isn't a rational person.

This guy is an anarchist. He's got a point about mindless indoctrination being dangerous, but anarchy isn't rational either. He's completely ignoring the entire reason that tribes and cities and nation states were invented in the first place and we're much better off because of them.

This guy is nothing more than a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob.

How about you educate us on why "nation states" were invented and let's see if we can determine its legitimacy through interactive discourse.


No, that's retarded. How about posting your opinion on the OP's vid? Here are some sample relevant questions you could answer. Is the vid dumb? Why? Which part didn't you like? Was there even a part of the video that you agreed with?

Are my questions now starting to help you see what message board threads are about and how to properly participate in them? So somebody creates a thread about a topic...maybe they reference an article or a video. Then people discuss that topic. The actual topic. It's not "I have decided this thread is now going to be about some unrelated bullshit". That's not how it works.

So, in my (probably vain) attempt to re-rail the thread...what are your thoughts about Statism? What opinions do you have? If people are too retarded to rule themselves, then why should we assign those same retarded people to rule over other people?

The fact is they have no argument. People like ponyface are afraid of challenging their belief system and questioning their god the State. Whoa nelly once the idol falls!

I'm not a developmentally disabled junior high schooler so I don't care what's in OP's vid.

Yet you've articulated about as much as a junior high school kid could in this thread. Oh the irony.
 

NoStateofMind

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You'll have grains of sand of coherent points in a sea of hyperbolic naivety and disaffected nihilism. If you can't convey your message without resorting to images of slaves being whipped and goose stepping SS troops for every perceived injustice you feel takes place in society, you're no better than the toddler crying his eyes out and screaming when mommy didn't buy him the candy bar in the checkout line. To him, this is the WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN!! How can mommy DO THIS TO HIM?!? He HATES HER! SHE'S THE WORST PERSON EVER!
This is essentially the mindset, and it doesn't warrant anything more than a wry smile and a quick pat on the head from reasonable adults with real lives and some semblance of credibility.
You're having a tantrum. You're illogical, and it completely removes any and all credibility you may have had because you cannot or will not process and discuss rationally actual facts and historical data, let alone basic societal tenets.

The OP, and the video narrator, are sadly marginalized malcontents. Powerless misfits and impotent internet keyboard commandos. They'll huff and they'll puff and they'll link to Blog X and Poorly Edited Site Y and Melodramatic Youtube Video Z, but at the end of the day they're adult children. As dependent if not more so on the state and societal apparatus they so loathe. They're losers and shut ins, and despite their occasional internet eloquence, they are, sadly yet thankfully, impotent in real world matters.

How is it with all the hot air above you've only attacked ONE THING in the video and that was the images. Hey smart guy, how about listening and responding to the points provided? oh its not as flashy as the BS you shat out above but thats what intellectuals do, you know, discuss. You wont come back to this thread and address this response (like you always do, shit and leave without wiping your ass I might add, stinky mofo) as actually having to think about a response would fracture your world.
 
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NoStateofMind

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Damn. Too big for a sig quote. Good job!

Yeah you would quote a bunch of nothing haha

The man SAID NOTHING and you like it. It's fucking sad that people respond more to blathering BS than they do to logic and reason. Thanks, State. smh
 

Nebor

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Statism is the natural evolution of a civilized, educated society. The state replaces god as the creator, protector and provider. Without a state, there can be no people, and without the people, there can be no state. Those that attack the state are attacking the people, and vice versa.
 

NoStateofMind

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Statism is the natural evolution of a civilized, educated society.

Actually its not civilized and educated is quite debatable. Natural evolution does legalize robbery. For it to be like you said above their would be consent by the governed and a contract for said services.

The state replaces god as the creator, protector and provider. Without a state, there can be no people, and without the people, there can be no state. Those that attack the state are attacking the people, and vice versa.

lol at least you don't hide it. How about the rest of your buddies going into conniption fits with the mere mention of it being a religion. Here you are embracing it. HAHA
 

Sulaco

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How is it with all the hot air above you've only attacked ONE THING in the video and that was the images. Hey smart guy, how about listening and responding to the points provided? oh its not as flashy as the BS you shat out above but thats what intellectuals do, you know, discuss. You wont come back to this thread and address this response (like you always do, shit and leave without wiping your ass I might add, stinky mofo) as actually having to think about a response would fracture your world.

For the same reason I don't argue with toddlers about why not buying a candy bar does not make this the worst day in history. You let them stew and cool off, while I go about my day doing "big people" stuff.

When you grow up and move out, you might understand. In the meantime, you should know your tantrum was pretty gosh darn cute.
 

Moonbeam

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It would seem an important endeavor to find how one arrived at the starting point in order to proclaim one's existence to be irrelevant in favor of the greater good. It seems there must always be a rationalization [either rational or otherwise] that cultivates a belief. How did this start must be the first question asked and its answer ought then provide the ability to reconcile the reality of the belief within the context of contra belief conditions.
How do Conservatives get to be the way they are and how do Liberals get to be the way they are? Is it as simple as how they were raised or is it much more complex such as some evolved genetic demand? I maintain it must be some combination but weighted heavily in favor of genetically derived brain differences and the consequences of that.

How I missed this important post from myself to me, I can't really explain, but suffice it to say that I did. I have a number of thoughts on the issue.

In the first place I don't like your conclusion because it makes me sad. It would mean that people like Matt were born defective and cannot change. That would be a tragedy, in my opinion. Secondly, conservatives have a bunch more moral values that are important to them then liberals do, many of which revolve around authoritarianism and group think. I believe these were inculcated by fear, by being put down for being different. I believe this is why conservatives are so rigid. Any deviation from the norm would bring catastrophe.

Finally, I think I am an enlightened conservative. I died to everything I was taught to believe, so I differ only in that I know I don't know anything, but I am as profoundly certain of their ignorance as I am my own. I share with them a deep capacity for certainty.

Finally, I believe there is no prison with locks that doesn't also have a key.
 

NoStateofMind

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For the same reason I don't argue with toddlers about why not buying a candy bar does not make this the worst day in history. You let them stew and cool off, while I go about my day doing "big people" stuff.

When you grow up and move out, you might understand. In the meantime, you should know your tantrum was pretty gosh darn cute.

Actually children are the ones who act on emotion and blather out bullshit (like you have twice now). Adults hold big boy conversations. This isn't for the weak minded and you've proven time and time again you're intellectually bankrupt. Can't gain much respect if all you do is talk about turtles while adults are discussing real issues.

Come on back and prove me right once more, kiddo.
 

StarTech15

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The state replaces god as the creator, protector and provider. Without a state, there can be no people, and without the people, there can be no state. Those that attack the state are attacking the people, and vice versa.

How about the rest of your buddies going into conniption fits with the mere mention of it being a religion. Here you are embracing it. HAHA

He didn't say the state becomes god. That would be absurd. He said it becomes the creator, protector and provider. Nothing celestial there.

Statism and religion are clearly two different things--a belief system and a socioeconomic system. But they can be mutually beneficial to each other and that's probably why you're thinking they're interchangeable terms. For instance Nazism wasn't a religion, but it incorporated religious beliefs in ways that supported it's sinister ambitions and won over the credulous. You calling Statism a religion is sensational; not much more than that.
 
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LunarRay

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How I missed this important post from myself to me, I can't really explain, but suffice it to say that I did. I have a number of thoughts on the issue.

Easily answered by accepting the reality that 1 plus 1 does not equal two. This coupled by the notion that your other you knows you are not the you you are but, rather, you are the you that is not you but me who is only you by looking in rather than out.

In the first place I don't like your conclusion because it makes me sad. It would mean that people like Matt were born defective and cannot change. That would be a tragedy, in my opinion. Secondly, conservatives have a bunch more moral values that are important to them then liberals do, many of which revolve around authoritarianism and group think. I believe these were inculcated by fear, by being put down for being different. I believe this is why conservatives are so rigid. Any deviation from the norm would bring catastrophe.

Is the purpose of existence the fulfillment of some dictated body of moral concepts or even derived concepts based on some notion that they are axiomatic or is it simply the continuation of the species if the two are not consistent? Do we have a selfish gene where our significance is toward the greater good? (Like ants or bees)
As far as Matt goes... I've no doubt that he has views cultured in the petri dish that is his mind. How he chose ingredients of that dish seem to be consistent with many and very different from many others... Who is right must default to a simple thought which results in a separation of the two in order to preserve the one. [See Iraq and their notion of the right kind of Muslim]
Finally, I think I am an enlightened conservative. I died to everything I was taught to believe, so I differ only in that I know I don't know anything, but I am as profoundly certain of their ignorance as I am my own. I share with them a deep capacity for certainty.

Finally, I believe there is no prison with locks that doesn't also have a key.

BUT... IF you didn't die to what you were taught you'd be all happy like a rat in a cheese factory. You do not possess the required bits to exist in harmony with those teachings but if you did you might be Matt. What are those bits that create conflict with what otherwise might be easy to buy into.

There are probably many keys in search of locks. I prefer combination locks... they only require themselves and a few numbers. IF I recall correctly I am free.

Poor me... or is that you? See bold bits.
 

yllus

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You'll have grains of sand of coherent points in a sea of hyperbolic naivety and disaffected nihilism. If you can't convey your message without resorting to images of slaves being whipped and goose stepping SS troops for every perceived injustice you feel takes place in society, you're no better than the toddler crying his eyes out and screaming when mommy didn't buy him the candy bar in the checkout line. To him, this is the WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN!! How can mommy DO THIS TO HIM?!? He HATES HER! SHE'S THE WORST PERSON EVER!
This is essentially the mindset, and it doesn't warrant anything more than a wry smile and a quick pat on the head from reasonable adults with real lives and some semblance of credibility.
You're having a tantrum. You're illogical, and it completely removes any and all credibility you may have had because you cannot or will not process and discuss rationally actual facts and historical data, let alone basic societal tenets.

The OP, and the video narrator, are sadly marginalized malcontents. Powerless misfits and impotent internet keyboard commandos. They'll huff and they'll puff and they'll link to Blog X and Poorly Edited Site Y and Melodramatic Youtube Video Z, but at the end of the day they're adult children. As dependent if not more so on the state and societal apparatus they so loathe. They're losers and shut ins, and despite their occasional internet eloquence, they are, sadly yet thankfully, impotent in real world matters.

Very nicely put.
 

Moonbeam

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Poor me... or is that you? See bold bits.

I have heard many attempts to explain why one evolves and another not. Personally, I was driven by the loss of my beloved. For years and years I slept, unaware oh the hole in my soul that loss had created. I did not know the depth of my longing. Then when I lost all the comforting illusions that I had substituted for my beloved, things turned very black for me and I let go and died. That's when my beloved reappeared. As soon as the utter hopelessness of my condition became clear and accepted, Grace intervened. Everything is whole and perfect and always has been.
 

Matt1970

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The conclusions I came to are the ones stated as observable scientific facts, the ones the science demonstrated to be true by experiments. Remember, the CBD constructs altered realities when science shows facts it doesn't like. You are in a hole from which you can't dig out so you paint the walls of your prison with pretty colors. Good luck as you dig deeper and deeper.

No it does not. All scientific fact shows is that conservatives will look at a scary image longer than a liberal will. To claim that it suggest that conservatives are constructing altered realities is all on you. You could just as easily deduce liberals are scared of such images and are afraid to look at them for very long. Afraid to face reality. There is not CBD. That is all made up in your imagination to explain away why people have differing views, differing opinions and behave differently than you do.

You are the one in the hole. You are the one who cannot accept that anyone who has a differing opinion that you do is normal. They must clearly have a metal deficiency to disagree with the great Moonbeam.
 

Moonbeam

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No it does not. All scientific fact shows is that conservatives will look at a scary image longer than a liberal will. To claim that it suggest that conservatives are constructing altered realities is all on you. You could just as easily deduce liberals are scared of such images and are afraid to look at them for very long. Afraid to face reality. There is not CBD. That is all made up in your imagination to explain away why people have differing views, differing opinions and behave differently than you do.

You are the one in the hole. You are the one who cannot accept that anyone who has a differing opinion that you do is normal. They must clearly have a metal deficiency to disagree with the great Moonbeam.

FROM THE LINK:

There is indeed evidence that conservatives value conformity more than liberals do [48], [49] and possess stronger desires to “see the world as others who share their beliefs generally do” [Stern, West, Jost, & Rule, unpublished data].

This seeing in others what is true of the self is called projection. You assurance that all the research shows is that conservatives can look at bad things is preposterous. You forget, in your altered reality, that other people can read. Try to get real. You may be a complete basket case when you try to reason, but that doesn't make you a bad person. You just have to get used to the fact that you're completely out to lunch. Lunch is great, but there are other things one can do in the day.
 
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The curtain covering the religious cult called Statism is removed as Larken Rose breaks it down. For those with enough courage to question their beliefs the following is for you.

Statism: The Most Dangerous Religion

It should be noted that faith in the free market is also a "religion", such as faith in the notion that meritocracy prevails in reality, etc. Many of the anarchists and free market dogmatists are so deeply committed to their beliefs, it never occurs to them that their beliefs might not be based on reason and that they may have adopted a free market religion.
 
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Matt1970

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FROM THE LINK:

There is indeed evidence that conservatives value conformity more than liberals do [48], [49] and possess stronger desires to “see the world as others who share their beliefs generally do” [Stern, West, Jost, & Rule, unpublished data].

This seeing in others what is true of the self is called projection. You assurance that all the research shows is that conservatives can look at bad things is preposterous. You forget, in your altered reality, that other people can read. Try to get real. You may be a complete basket case when you try to reason, but that doesn't make you a bad person. You just have to get used to the fact that you're completely out to lunch. Lunch is great, but there are other things one can do in the day.

That's quite a stretch to get "CBD constructs altered realities when science shows facts it doesn't like." from what you linked. Never mind the fact that only one website came to that conclusion and links to a study you can't access. I am pretty sure the one with the altered reality is you.
 

Genx87

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Ron Paul is more dangerous than anything statism has ever created.

An old guy who gets a small % of the vote is more dangerous than statist govts that killed hundreds of millions. Sounds legit.
 
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ThinClient

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How about you educate us on why "nation states" were invented and let's see if we can determine its legitimacy through interactive discourse.

Why bother? It's apparent that you skipped a few classes taught in high school, otherwise you wouldn't be asking this question. If you won't listen to other intelligent, educated people trying to teach you something, what says you'll try listening to one more?
 

Moonbeam

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