Statistics on Pre-School vs. No Pre-School

[Shuxclams]

Can you Left and Right wing wackos point me in the direction of Stats that are For and Against sending children to Pre-school vs. Not Sending children to Pre-School.

TIA

SHUX

 

[JS80]

Are you going to send them to a pre-school run by a hippie where the kids finger paint or are you going to send them to an Asian pre-school where they will learn the multiplication table?

 

[cubeless]

...and the amazing finding will be: kids who go to preschool and have parents who care and read to/with them do good and kids who go to preschool and come home to tv don't do as well...

i bet none of the guys who built the saturn 5 rocket went to preschool...

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: JS80
Are you going to send them to a pre-school run by a hippie where the kids finger paint or are you going to send them to an Asian pre-school where they will learn the multiplication table?

Asian pre-schools are the equivalent of the 1st grade or 2nd grade in many places. Other pre-schools don't amount to much more than daycare. Everyone knows this.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: JS80
Are you going to send them to a pre-school run by a hippie where the kids finger paint or are you going to send them to an Asian pre-school where they will learn the multiplication table?

Asian pre-schools are the equivalent of the 1st grade or 2nd grade in many places. Other pre-schools don't amount to much more than daycare. Everyone knows this.

Asian Kindergarten is the equivalent of the 2nd or 3rd grade in many places. Other kindergarten curriculum doesn't amount to much more than pre-school. Everyone knows this.


On a different note, I don't find pre-school to be that beneficial, unless you have a structure that will utilize the skills you learned there after. Many kindergartens will repeat what you learned in a good pre-school, merely boring the student and causing more harm than good.

 

[Kaieye]

Both my daughters went to a Chinese preschool kindergarten class and they BOTH came out way above average in terms of IQ and maturity. I have to give two thumbs up!

 

[Riceninja]

makes no difference, the only kids that go places are immigrant kids who did elementary elsewhere.

 

[0marTheZealot]

Pre-school is an expensive joke that's a prelude to the actual farce that is the American public school system.

 

[waggy]

it really depends on on if you take the time to find a real "pre-school" or a glorified day care. We sent my daughter (for 2 years, age 3 and 4) to a great one. at 3 they just work on really basic stuff. its mainly to get the used to class structure. but they do work on basic math and such. At age 4 they are pretty much doing what they do in most kindergarten/1st grade.

We are lucky to be in a small school (her 1st grade class has 11 kids) so they are able to have different levels of teaching for the kids (which they do until 8th grade. but again it helps having small class sizes).

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: cubeless
...and the amazing finding will be: kids who go to preschool and have parents who care and read to/with them do good and kids who go to preschool and come home to tv don't do as well...

i bet none of the guys who built the saturn 5 rocket went to preschool...

They might not have gone to "pre-school" but they went to NAZI Kinder-Garten which more than made up for it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: JS80
Are you going to send them to a pre-school run by a hippie where the kids finger paint or are you going to send them to an Asian pre-school where they will learn the multiplication table?

Asian pre-schools are the equivalent of the 1st grade or 2nd grade in many places. Other pre-schools don't amount to much more than daycare. Everyone knows this.

Not true.

Much depends if the school is trying to babysit or teach.

Everyone knows this

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: cubeless
...and the amazing finding will be: kids who go to preschool and have parents who care and read to/with them do good and kids who go to preschool and come home to tv don't do as well...

i bet none of the guys who built the saturn 5 rocket went to preschool...

They might not have gone to "pre-school" but they went to NAZI Kinder-Garten which more than made up for it.

Some of us did not go to pre-school, but had parents that cared about education:thumbsup:

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Montessori ftw?

 

[Shuxclams]

So no studies one way or the other that either side can site?


SHUX

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: Shuxclams
So no studies one way or the other that either side can site?


SHUX

I think any study will show an improvement in students who go to pre-school, because parents who send their child to pre-school will want the best for their child and will be doing things to stimulate their child's education no matter what.

Of the children not going to pre-school, I think it is safe to say a minority of them will be in an academically stimulating home environment. The majority will probably be sitting in front of the TV. Although there are many educational programs on TV, what I said earlier applies and many of these children will probably end up seeing Judge Judy or whatever their parents are watching.

Also my original post may be misinterpreted; the chief designer of the Saturn V was NAZI era German Werner von Braun.

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Sacrilege

Originally posted by: Shuxclams
So no studies one way or the other that either side can site?


SHUX

I think any study will show an improvement in students who go to pre-school, because parents who send their child to pre-school will want the best for their child and will be doing things to stimulate their child's education no matter what.

Of the children not going to pre-school, I think it is safe to say a minority of them will be in an academically stimulating home environment. The majority will probably be sitting in front of the TV. Although there are many educational programs on TV, what I said earlier applies and many of these children will probably end up seeing Judge Judy or whatever their parents are watching.

Also my original post may be misinterpreted; the chief designer of the Saturn V was NAZI era German Werner von Braun.

Yeah-yeah, just heard a couple opinions about the subject, I have my own. Looking for studies that support either argument


SHUX

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: JS80
Are you going to send them to a pre-school run by a hippie where the kids finger paint or are you going to send them to an Asian pre-school where they will learn the multiplication table?

you left out a middle America pre-school where they learn to think they are better than other people that are darker than they are and also to look down on anyone that isnt christian.

=) hee hee

 

[brandonb]

Dunno the answer to the OP question, but...

All I remember from Pre school is playing with lincoln logs, taking naps, and having the teacher read books to us, and playing on the playground. I think my pre school was at most 3 hours out of the day. I think I went there at 9pm and was home by noon.

I don't see it amounting to more than worthless.

 

[Newfie]

Typically, Pre-school gives your kid a good start for school (i.e: Less of a chance for repeating a grade or being placed in Special Education classes).

That being said, the aptitudial advantage that pre-school gives a child eventually dissipates as the child gets older.

Also, If the environment that the child grows up in is of low standard, then pre-school will have a much greater effect for them then a child who is already being intellectually stimulated.

[Learned in Intro to Psychology.]

Take that as you will. Pre-school can give kids who live in less then stellar conditions a good start, but it wont do much for those living already living fairly well.

 

[StageLeft]

FWIW a lot of kids these days due to anti-social and/or lazy parents don't spend much time a) around other kids and b) don't have much structure. For kids that ought to be beaten around the skull on a daily basis to get in line, this is a more PC and legal route to correcting their behavior.

As an adult I've come to undertsand that some people actually enjoyed their childhoods and enjoyed school, concepts quite foreign to me. I would like to think there is a chance my kids will, too, so they are getting pre-school. Hopefully they won't go into school dreading every minute of it. But then, with me as a dad, what really are the chances of them enjoying childhood? Checkmate.

 

[piasabird]

My sister runs and owns a local day care. They have programs teaching children how to write, recognized numbers, and sing songs. They read them books and teach them to play games where they have to cooperate.

This is a lot different from some day care centers where they are basically just warehousing children.

In Illinois you have to have a degree to run a Day Care Center similar to a teaching degree.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: piasabird
My sister runs and owns a local day care. They have programs teaching children how to write, recognized numbers, and sing songs. They read them books and teach them to play games where they have to cooperate.

This is a lot different from some day care centers where they are basically just warehousing children.

In Illinois you have to have a degree to run a Day Care Center similar to a teaching degree.

this is not 100% correct. there are actaully diffrent levels of what they qualify as "day care". i think over 6 kids yes you need to have a degree. but its not a teaching degree many people with phscyologic degress open them up.

there are many home "day care" centers. no special training needed but they have a limit ot the number of kids.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: piasabird
My sister runs and owns a local day care. They have programs teaching children how to write, recognized numbers, and sing songs. They read them books and teach them to play games where they have to cooperate.

This is a lot different from some day care centers where they are basically just warehousing children.

In Illinois you have to have a degree to run a Day Care Center similar to a teaching degree.

One may have to have a degree - however, the center may also be run as a for profit babysitting service vs an educational service

 

[herm0016]

whats the point about one of the greatest minds nasa ever got hold of? he was from germany, woop de do... ???

anywho... i think preschool is just as much about social interaction as it is about learning new things.

 

[juiio]

John Stossel did a bit about universal preschool. http://townhall.com/columnists...rsal_pre-k_scam?page=1

One thing he says (about Head Start, but presumably applies to many other programs) is that the gains shown by a child vanish within a few years. By grade three or four "They can't tell the difference between the kids that went to Head Start and the kids who didn't. When they compared them to the kids that are disadvantaged that didn't go to Head Start, they can't tell from their test scores which kids had the treatment of Head Start."