Stay off a Marine's lawn

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Venix

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No, he pulled the gun after he felt threatened.

He shot the thug after the thug refused to leave his property and instead, assaulted him.

This is absolutely false. Funches immediately left Clements' property after his dog urinated. Clements followed him down the street, initiated a verbal argument, brandished his pistol, and later shot Funches in front of Funches' aunt's home.

I question your sanity if you think that Clements' behavior was in any way appropriate.
 

mcmilljb

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This is absolutely false. Funches immediately left Clements' property after his dog urinated. Clements followed him down the street, initiated a verbal argument, brandished his pistol, assaulted by Funches and later shot Funches in front of Funches' aunt's home.

I question your sanity if you think that Clements' behavior was in any way appropriate.

You forgot the assault part.
 

Andrew111

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This is absolutely false. Funches immediately left Clements' property after his dog urinated. Clements followed him down the street, initiated a verbal argument, brandished his pistol, and later shot Funches in front of Funches' aunt's home.

I question your sanity if you think that Clements' behavior was in any way appropriate.

Wow, I must have missed this news article on it. Link?
 

jlee

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This is absolutely false. Funches immediately left Clements' property after his dog urinated. Clements followed him down the street, initiated a verbal argument, brandished his pistol, and later shot Funches in front of Funches' aunt's home.

I question your sanity if you think that Clements' behavior was in any way appropriate.

Link?
 

Andrew111

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Ah, found it. This article has more details: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...ays-probabtion-for-slaying-is-a-travesty.html

Interesting section of the article:

Clements said he was hoping to talk with Funches when he left his porch and followed Funches down the street. Instead, the two men argued, and Clements showed Funches the gun he was carrying in his overalls.

The argument escalated after Funches said, "Old man, if you pull a gun on me you better plan on using it." Eventually, Funches, who was unarmed, punched Clements once in the face, according to trial testimony.

Funches was standing motionless, Clements testified, when he pulled out his gun and opened fire. Funches was shot once in the abdomen in front of his aunt's house, on the street where he learned to ride a bike and walked to school as a child.

The father of two stumbled down the street to the sidewalk outside his mother's old house, which he and his girlfriend had recently fixed up and moved into, while Clements tried to rack another round.

"I saw the love of my life shot on the ground, and our children saw their father in pain," said Funches' girlfriend, Lakita Scott, at an earlier hearing. She gave birth after Funches' death to his third child.

Clements walked home, changed his clothes and called his stepson, a former police officer. Prosecutors alleged at Clements' sentencing hearing last week that he may have been coached about what he needed to say in order to claim self-defense.

So let me get this straight...he walks down the sidewalk with this guy away from his property...verbal altercation happens, the guy punches him (we don't know what was said/done by Clements to provoke it), and after he shot the dude he loads more ammo while the guy is stumbling away and he doesn't call the cops. If it was an accident and he fired blindly he should have immediately called the cops or an ambulance at least. Instead, he calls his stepson who just so happened to be a former police officer and would know how to help him out in such a situation.....
 

Fingolfin269

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Moral of the story: Don't punch a dude who just showed you he had a gun if the whole ordeal is over your dog pissing in a yard. Instead say, 'uhh my bad man I'll make sure it doesn't happen again' and then call the cops.
 

Venix

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Aug 22, 2002
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You forgot the assault part.

I didn't forget anything. Everyone already knows that Funches punched Clements in the face and took a bullet to the stomach for being a dumbass.

That doesn't excuse Clements for following Funches down the street, initiating the argument, and escalating the encounter by brandishing his pistol and then putting it back in his pocket. Nor did it excuse him for shooting Funches, which is why a jury found him guilty of murder.

Had Funches lived, I would have liked to have seen him tried as well; both men acted like imbeciles and deserve to be punished.

A Google news search for this story brings up plenty of articles that are less woefully devoid of information than the OP article. Here's one.
 
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When going after someone who you know is armed, you have to go until they are disabled or dead.

+1, but the old geezer should had died in jail for this stupidity, kill someone for his dog peeing on the lawn? On the other hand you don't punch someone older than 65 if you are 23.
 

jlee

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+1, but the old geezer should had died in jail for this stupidity, kill someone for his dog peeing on the lawn? On the other hand you don't punch someone older than 65 if you are 23.

I take it reading is not your strong point.
 

JulesMaximus

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Seriously, how many posts do you have in this thread? I might actually agree with your posts but I haven't read any of them so I wouldn't know because I stopped reading this stupid thread yesterday.
 

alkemyst

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lol. Let me guess you'd be able to win a fight with an armed man, you're just that awesome. You'd strip the gun right out of his hands and kick his ass.

hmm most that will show a gun and not just shoot it, have no intention of using it.

However, just because someone has a gun doesn't mean they are going to win. If you are face to face already and the gun is still holstered it takes a lot of the advantage away.

Also I have trained in martial arts and have above average strength.

If I was 130-140lbs and never get out of the house much I'd just give them my lunch money and run.
 

Phokus

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Ah, found it. This article has more details: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...ays-probabtion-for-slaying-is-a-travesty.html

Interesting section of the article:



So let me get this straight...he walks down the sidewalk with this guy away from his property...verbal altercation happens, the guy punches him (we don't know what was said/done by Clements to provoke it), and after he shot the dude he loads more ammo while the guy is stumbling away and he doesn't call the cops. If it was an accident and he fired blindly he should have immediately called the cops or an ambulance at least. Instead, he calls his stepson who just so happened to be a former police officer and would know how to help him out in such a situation.....

It absolutely amazes me ATOT would defend this. The only reason they do is because they worship Marines. The other branches of the military have FAR more honorable men than the Marines do. I remember the military times or another military newspaper years ago did a survey amongst all the branches of the military and members of the other branches of the military were more likely to report crimes committed by their fellow members while Marines were more likely to not report those crimes. And these were SERIOUS crimes like murder/rape/etc.
 

Minerva

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The 23 year old probably thought he could take the old man despite the gun. Probably had a temper. The old man should never brandish a piece. If you pull it out it better be lighter when you put it back! That's just wrong on all accounts. Most ex marines would perhaps pistol whip someone after dodging the punch. Heck this guy wasn't even eligible for medicare benefits! There was a guy (not sure if he was a marine) in FL a few years ago that took on attackers that busted in his house. They had knives he used his fist and broke the thug's eye socket out! Now that's brave! Flashing a gun around is being a pussy. I hate people that are pussies that have to carry a gun to compensate.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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The 23 year old probably thought he could take the old man despite the gun. Probably had a temper. The old man should never brandish a piece. If you pull it out it better be lighter when you put it back! That's just wrong on all accounts. Most ex marines would perhaps pistol whip someone after dodging the punch. Heck this guy wasn't even eligible for medicare benefits! There was a guy (not sure if he was a marine) in FL a few years ago that took on attackers that busted in his house. They had knives he used his fist and broke the thug's eye socket out! Now that's brave! Flashing a gun around is being a pussy. I hate people that are pussies that have to carry a gun to compensate.

Yeah I remember that story, not the details so much of who was who...but they "kid's" mugshot was hilarious. All beat to shit.
 

Ackmed

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Justice served. Dont start a fight you cant finish. And dont bring bare knuckles to a gun fight. Attacking someone old enough to be your grandfather is a cowardly thing to do. But then again, the neighborhood says it all.
 

MarkXIX

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The 23 year old probably thought he could take the old man despite the gun. Probably had a temper. The old man should never brandish a piece. If you pull it out it better be lighter when you put it back! That's just wrong on all accounts. Most ex marines would perhaps pistol whip someone after dodging the punch. Heck this guy wasn't even eligible for medicare benefits! There was a guy (not sure if he was a marine) in FL a few years ago that took on attackers that busted in his house. They had knives he used his fist and broke the thug's eye socket out! Now that's brave! Flashing a gun around is being a pussy. I hate people that are pussies that have to carry a gun to compensate.

Go live in and around Detroit or Chicago for a while, bet you'll change your mind about concealed carry.
 

Andrew111

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Justice served. Dont start a fight you cant finish. And dont bring bare knuckles to a gun fight. Attacking someone old enough to be your grandfather is a cowardly thing to do. But then again, the neighborhood says it all.

You don't know who started it...a douche like that who threatens and harasses people over his 4x4' lawn probably said plenty to get the guy mad. And he shouldn't be chasing him down the sidewalk either....he was shot in front of a different house.
 
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