Stay off the lawn!

[skyking]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
I find it hilarious reading people trying to defend the old man. He has no excuses - this is ridiculous! :thumbsdown:

The gun nuts will try to defend any shooting as justified.

no they won't.

This is murder. This was not a case of a kid trying to harm the old man and the old guy defending himself.

Yeah but how much you wanna bet the NRA will send a lawyer to help out on his defense?

I'm in for $5. I'll send my paypal to minendo, if he agrees. Put up or shut up.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: ProviaFan
I find it hilarious reading people trying to defend the old man. He has no excuses - this is ridiculous! :thumbsdown:

The gun nuts will try to defend any shooting as justified.

no they won't.

This is murder. This was not a case of a kid trying to harm the old man and the old guy defending himself.

Yeah but how much you wanna bet the NRA will send a lawyer to help out on his defense?

I'll bet you they don't. I'm another "gun nut" and I think this old man needs to finish out his life in prison for killing this kid.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

This guy should fry.

You think this will qualify for 1st degree?

[EDIT]Seems more like voluntary manslaughter to me...[/EDIT]

Viper GTS

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: Amused
Irrelevant. The man did not fear for his life, therefore he has no right to take another life. Period.

How is shooting the kid any different than keeping visicious guard dogs that would rip the kid to shreds if he encroached?

this doesn't matter; if you have guard dogs that kill the trespasser, the owner will be liable for murder

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: Amused
Irrelevant. The man did not fear for his life, therefore he has no right to take another life. Period.

How is shooting the kid any different than keeping visicious guard dogs that would rip the kid to shreds if he encroached?

Because the kid could reasonably expect the vicious guard dogs to tear him to shreds if he encroached, whereas no one would reasonably expect the old coot to fvking shoot them just for walking on his lawn.

Originally posted by: joedrake
I'm sure the kid was warned.

W/e: I don't think that he should have shot the kid, but you have to cut the man some slack. I mean what if someone was doing something to PISS you off for FIVE years? You'd get pretty PISSED off, no? No reasonable kid would continue to walk on some old man's lawn, after REPEATED warnings. I don't know the whole story, but I'm guessing this kid was some kind of smartass and deserved some kind of punishment.
Lets say you know someone that has a gun and doesn't like a certain thing. You're not gonna do this "certain thing" CONTINUOUSLY for five years and not expect to get shot.
I say Darwin FTW.

you call the POLICE to deal with the kid, not shoot him

 

[skyking]

Yes. He had to go get the shotgun out of the house, and go shoot the kid IN HIS OWN YARD. Plenty of premeditation, IMO.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: wvtalbot

Originally posted by: Regs
But it is kind of funny...in a sad sadistic way.

Wow I didn't find this in the least bit funny.

(and I thought the deaf woman getting hit by a train was hilarious)

For some reason I'm picturing elmar fud hunting for a rabbit.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: skyking
Yes. He had to go get the shotgun out of the house, and go shoot the kid IN HIS OWN YARD. Plenty of premeditation, IMO.

Shot him twice to boot.

 

[maziwanka]

the NRA isn't stupid enough to defend this type of action. no prosecutor will mitigate a murder charge to manslaughter because of provocation [in this case] (hahaha, forgot to add that last bit).

 

[TheITguy]

I live down the street from this kid. My wifes best friend is a teacher at his school. Sucks for his family and friends. We tend to have alot of crazy people living sround here.


Here is a link to the local story.

Local Story

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: TheITguy
I live down the street from this kid. My wifes best friend is a teacher at his school. Sucks for his family and friends. We tend to have alot of crazy people living sround here.

Something special in the water in Batavia? Do we need to start watching you?

Please keep us informed if you get more details.

 

[TheITguy]

No but the people that live across the street from me are crazy. Always have police over around dinner time.The mom was put in the back of a police car one night and she kicked out the window with her bare feet. I have only lived there for a few years. I grew up in another town about five miles from there.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: joedrake
Not the man's fault

It's been going on for five years ... I've been harassed by him and his parents for five years.

joedrake, you are by far, one of the most idiotic posters on this forum.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Yeah but how much you wanna bet the NRA will send a lawyer to help out on his defense?

Wow.

 

[phantom309]

Originally posted by: DotheDamnTHing

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: Amused
Irrelevant. The man did not fear for his life, therefore he has no right to take another life. Period.

How is shooting the kid any different than keeping visicious guard dogs that would rip the kid to shreds if he encroached?

Because the kid could reasonably expect the vicious guard dogs to tear him to shreds if he encroached, whereas no one would reasonably expect the old coot to fvking shoot them just for walking on his lawn.

Originally posted by: joedrake
I'm sure the kid was warned.

W/e: I don't think that he should have shot the kid, but you have to cut the man some slack. I mean what if someone was doing something to PISS you off for FIVE years? You'd get pretty PISSED off, no? No reasonable kid would continue to walk on some old man's lawn, after REPEATED warnings. I don't know the whole story, but I'm guessing this kid was some kind of smartass and deserved some kind of punishment.
Lets say you know someone that has a gun and doesn't like a certain thing. You're not gonna do this "certain thing" CONTINUOUSLY for five years and not expect to get shot.
I say Darwin FTW.

you call the POLICE to deal with the kid, not shoot him

Or you learn to be a little less OCD about your lawn.....

joedrake, it doesn't matter how PISSED OFF or REPEATERLY HARRASSED the old guy was. It doesn't matter if the kid was a smartass, or if his parents were jerks, or if he/they deserved punishment. I'm sure they did.

Legally and ethically the only thing that does matter is that the kid was not posing a direct threat to the old man's life. Without that, it's murder, plain and simple, no matter what the events leading up to it were.

For the record I'm a gun nut also. Most people I know who are into firearms take safety, ethics and self-defense extremely seriously - and tend to come down very hard on the ones who don't. We understand that no matter how many millions of responsible, law-abiding gun owners there are out there, we'll always be judged by the behavior of a few trigger-happy idiots.

 

[captains]

Originally posted by: xrax
blood makes the grass grow

lol

 

[dmcowen674]

One less kid walking on the grass. There's plenty more to go.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

I remember a story about a guy who got fed up with kids street racing on his block so one night he poured motor oil on the street. I forgot how many people this killed and hurt. I believe he was convicted for manslaugher.

 

[Joemonkey]

I'm not defending the guy, but i live next to an old man who's daughter and grandson come to visit all the time. his grandson must be borderline retarded, because he'll stand out on the front lawn with a stick and bang on the fence for hours at a time. We'll go out there and say "would you please stop that" and then he goes out to the back deck and beats on it, causing our 9mo daughter to wake up.

He also shoots a BB gun at an empty 2 litre bottle, which means the BB ricochets god knows where. I know it's hit our house a few times, but never any windows or cars. I mean this is the kinda kid that pulls a plant hanger out of the ground and spears the fish in his grandfather's koi pond and kicks stray cats and such.

I think the guy should go to prison etc. but I'm not saying such things haven't crossed my mind a few times.

 

[gigapet]

he has the right to protect his property.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

This guy should fry.

You think this will qualify for 1st degree?

[EDIT]Seems more like voluntary manslaughter to me...[/EDIT]

Viper GTS

No, but he definitely deserves heavy punishment. I'm against leniency for the extremely stupid.

 

[Linflas]

The shooting took place just after 3 p.m. in the 800 block of Hawthorne Drive in Union Township, a street that doesn't have sidewalks.

Could have something to do with why people are stepping into his yard.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: Amused
Irrelevant. The man did not fear for his life, therefore he has no right to take another life. Period.

How is shooting the kid any different than keeping visicious guard dogs that would rip the kid to shreds if he encroached?

You cannot do that either - if you have vicious dogs they must be kept secured. They cannot just run around your front yard on a leash either because they could kill a toddler etc.

 

[oddyager]

Can't mess with a man's obsession I guess. The guy shouldn't get any leniency at all though.

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: Amused
Irrelevant. The man did not fear for his life, therefore he has no right to take another life. Period.

How is shooting the kid any different than keeping visicious guard dogs that would rip the kid to shreds if he encroached?

Because the kid could reasonably expect the vicious guard dogs to tear him to shreds if he encroached, whereas no one would reasonably expect the old coot to fvking shoot them just for walking on his lawn.

Originally posted by: joedrake
I'm sure the kid was warned.

W/e: I don't think that he should have shot the kid, but you have to cut the man some slack. I mean what if someone was doing something to PISS you off for FIVE years? You'd get pretty PISSED off, no? No reasonable kid would continue to walk on some old man's lawn, after REPEATED warnings. I don't know the whole story, but I'm guessing this kid was some kind of smartass and deserved some kind of punishment.
Lets say you know someone that has a gun and doesn't like a certain thing. You're not gonna do this "certain thing" CONTINUOUSLY for five years and not expect to get shot.
I say Darwin FTW.

I think you're flamebaiting and I dont see Darwin involved at all in this picture. Why does everyone think that anytime something dies Darwin was obviously involved. This man is old fragile and probably is mentally instable. I would hardly say that I believe him to be a more fit example of our species than the kid was.