Steam numbers for new GPUs.

[Anubis75]

And what does it matter whether AMD outsells NVIDIA or vice versa? If you like AMD... buy AMD, if you don't... buy NVIDIA.

 

[ozzy702]

I own over a dozen 480's and one 1070. None of the 480 boxes have steam on them. Tell me again how NVIDIA is blowing AMD away with this generation.

The same goes for by buddy Rich, over a dozen 480's, no NVIDIA card and none of those boxes have steam on them.

I think it's a whole lot closer than OP wants to admit. I also don't understand why he is obviously pro NVIDIA when competition is best for the consumer, vested financial interest much?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Steam survey is worse then useless. It presents misleading data. Ever try submitting results with a discrete graphics card only for the survey logic to pickup your Intel HD5300, and not showing / submitting the card you're actually using?

I stopped caring about these results a while ago as they still haven't fixed the detection issues.

I'll be suprised if the the 480 isn't outselling the 1060.

Never had that problem on my desktop systems. Could be a problem for laptops though in which iGPU is used for non-gaming scenarios.

Anyway, if the RX 480 pulls ahead of the GTX 1060 on Steam within 3 months, I will start a giveaway thread and pick a winner to receive a free RX 480 or GTX 1060 (winners choice).

 

[frozentundra123456]

It would be nice if steam disclosed what portion of the members take part in the survey. Personally, I usually op out. I dont put a lot of faith in their results, but it does clearly indicate that the shortages of 1070 and 1080 were caused in part by heavy (relatively) sales, and that while the 480 is a very good card, AMD clearly is going to suffer from not having a nex-gen high end card. As for the 480 vs 1060, we need more time to let things settle out. I do think AMD will gain back market share, but except for mining, they are still sort of in the same position as always, selling a less efficient card based on performance per dollar.

 

[Arachnotronic]

It would be nice if steam disclosed what portion of the members take part in the survey. Personally, I usually op out. I dont put a lot of faith in their results, but it does clearly indicate that the shortages of 1070 and 1080 were caused in part by heavy (relatively) sales, and that while the 480 is a very good card, AMD clearly is going to suffer from not having a nex-gen high end card. As for the 480 vs 1060, we need more time to let things settle out. I do think AMD will gain back market share, but except for mining, they are still sort of in the same position as always, selling a less efficient card based on performance per dollar.

I don't think AMD will gain market share. RX 480 is no better competitively than the 380X was. In fact, in terms of performance, the advantage is now in NVIDIA's court:

 

[Bryf50]

And what does it matter whether AMD outsells NVIDIA or vice versa? If you like AMD... buy AMD, if you don't... buy NVIDIA.

But Nvidia outselling AMD by a large margin is a really good thing for gamers and tech enthusiasts because.... ah... because.....right.

 

[PigSkinWhiteBoy]

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/

Monthly update July.
Using Vulkan systems for simplification since new cards support this without new driver or OS required.

GTX1060 (Released July 17th) 0.06% (+0.06%)
GTX1070 0.64% (+0.54%)
GTX1080 0.56% (+0.36%)
RX480 0.12% (+0.12%)

Nvidia sells 8 new cards when AMD sells new card 1

All the surveys end up telling the same story in the end. People seem to think since miners aren't accounted for in Steam surveys, Steam is grossly underrepresenting AMD. Then, when Peddie and Mercury come out and mining sales are accounted for in those surveys, the picture painted by those two surveys still matches Steam. It's a never ending cycle of denial and excuses.

It seems according to a few here Steam is the definitive source on GPU market share rather than Jon Peddie and Mercury Research. People just want to use information sources which fit their narrative. Anyway Nvidia will continue to be dominant making record profits and margins. AMD is failing to compete and Polaris is a major disappointment. AMD are not learning from the mistakes of the past. They continue to hype up products, overpromise and underdeliver. This is a sign of a company which does not have the R&D and execution necessary to compete at this level and rely on marketing and hype to push products. If those fail AMD finally resort to price cuts to move product.Sad but true. I think both Vega and Zen will disappoint.

Although the Steam survey has long lined up with the Peddie market reports, many people here discount Steam because it doesn't fit their narrative.

Now that I think about it, Peddie results doesn't line up with pro-AMD mining narratives either. Anyways, I expect AMD to claw back a little bit of share, ending up around 30% or so.

How many are actually sold to miners. As in real numbers and not just theory?

A card that sells at 1/3 the quantity of another that costs 3x more screams fail to me.

So there's almost 5 times as much over-priced 1080s then there is Radeons R480 that are priced to sell? Amazing. Amazingly bad for AMD that is.

The lack of common sense on this forum rivals only that of wccftech. Nevermind the fact that scummy miners all around the net have posted pictures of their 8 to 20 boxes of 480s and openly admitted their intentions. The only thing that matters is blindly defending a corporation who doesn't even pay you.

 

[master_shake_]

But Nvidia outselling AMD by a large margin is a really good thing for gamers and tech enthusiasts because.... ah... because.....right.

because then nvidia can dictate the price of gpus and cause the prices to goway up on both team red and green.

it's the reason duopolies are horrible.

 

[Avalon]

I'd expect Nvidia to be outperforming AMD in that survey, since they're covering a couple different tiers of the market, whereas AMD is only covering just one. Another issue is miners scooping up cards. While I don't think it's a game changer, it's probably a small contributor. Heck, I've been waiting to buy an RX 480 for gaming and I can't find a damn one in stock at a reasonable price.

 

[Madpacket]

Never had that problem on my desktop systems. Could be a problem for laptops though in which iGPU is used for non-gaming scenarios.

Anyway, if the RX 480 pulls ahead of the GTX 1060 on Steam within 3 months, I will start a giveaway thread and pick a winner to receive a free RX 480 or GTX 1060 (winners choice).

Since the Steam survey results are unreliable, whatever they report back in 3 months is irrelevant. Even discounting the detection issues, the fact that the survey is "opt-in" should be enough to invalidate them.

Why start a thread like this in the first place?

 

[Sweepr]

Since the Steam survey results are unreliable, whatever they report back in 3 months is irrelevant. Even discounting the detection issues, the fact that the survey is "opt-in" should be enough to invalidate them.

Why start a thread like this in the first place?

What makes you think it's invalid, why would more people with NVIDIA systems opt to participate in the Survey?

 

[Madpacket]

The lack of common sense on this forum rivals only that of wccftech. Nevermind the fact that scummy miners all around the net have posted pictures of their 8 to 20 boxes of 480s and openly admitted their intentions. The only thing that matters is blindly defending a corporation who doesn't even pay you.

So because I have 24 Radeon 480's (of which only one has even seen Steam, but never submitted a survey) makes me scummy?

Why does being a capitalist make us miner's scummy?

"Openly admitting" is a bad thing?

Do you think that being a miner gives us any advantage over a gamer when acquiring these cards?

Do you realize how much harder it is to acquire 24 480's than just 1?

"...Lack of commom sense here". Pot calling the kettle black.

 

[boozzer]

Makes sense when ethereum miners are buying 8 480's at a time.

ahahah

 

[frozentundra123456]

I don't think AMD will gain market share. RX 480 is no better competitively than the 380X was. In fact, in terms of performance, the advantage is now in NVIDIA's court:

That is a very debatable premise. For one thing, at some point, the latest mining craze will peter out, and there will be a horde of cheap second hand 470/480 cards available for gaming.

 

[ShintaiDK]

If mining was so great, you think that people would be dumping older cards that gamers would buy. Yet no such thing is shown on steam.

How much of RX480 sales really goes to miners on a global scale? 1%?

 

[Madpacket]

What makes you think it's invalid, why would more people with NVIDIA systems opt to participate in the Survey?

Mining.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Mining.

How many cards are sold for mining? If the older Hawaii cards didn't get dumped, did the hashrate spike up? And if they dumped the older cards, where did they go if gamers didn't buy them?

 

[eRacer]

If mining was so great, you think that people would be dumping older cards that gamers would buy. Yet no such thing is shown on steam.

If mining is great, then miners will continue to generate profits with their old cards until they are no longer profitable. In the meantime they will add newer, even more efficient, cards as they can get them.

How much of RX480 sales really goes to miners on a global scale? 1%?

So if 100,000 RX 480 were sold cards so far, you believe miners only got 1,000 of them? Gibbo @ Overclockers UK mentioned some miners wanting to buy hundreds at a time. It is almost certain that miners make up far more than 1% of RX 480 sales.

 

[frozentundra123456]

If mining was so great, you think that people would be dumping older cards that gamers would buy. Yet no such thing is shown on steam.

How much of RX480 sales really goes to miners on a global scale? 1%?

I have no idea really, but I would think much more than 1% of 480 cards are being picked up by miners. Mining comes and goes, as each new paradigm starts out very profitable, and gradually fades as more and more effort is required to make a profit. At least that is how I understand it. It just so happens that mining was not that popular for a while, so there were minimal used cards available. Now a new technique has come up, and apparently is very popular, so a lot of 480 cards could be being snapped up, and will be available later for gamers. Or it could just be a few people buying huge amounts of cards, I dont really know.

But just in general, AMD market share has been so low that I think it only reasonable that they should pick up a few percent.

 

[Stormflux]

No one is dumping RX400's into this possible optional steam survey pool. People are still using Hawaii farms to mine Ethereum as they probably have already paid for themselves and are in pure profit mode. You even have miners in this thread openly admitting buying 8+ RX cards and not taking part in the survey. From reading other websites, most, if not all the 1000 series of cards are going straight to gamers. As there is no reliable way for miners to make a profit from them yet.

AMD releases a series of cards that will turn a profit after 4 months of Etherum Mining, and people boasting systems already utilizing 24 of them here on Anand. It's clearly the best card for Ethereum currently, from what I read.

I do wonder how it will impact AMD's goal of increasing Marketshare, and if that marketshare target was purely the gaming marketshare. More Marketshare = more developers willing to include AMD in their default priorities. As you see early access games like Raw Data and ARK completely ignore anything AMD.

 

[ShintaiDK]

In that case, those that keep claiming so many cards are sold to miners need to show it via some mining stats. Else mining is more likely to be a tiny niche for the US/CA market that is already small.

 

[IronWing]

To me, the more interesting story in the survey results is the huge range of cards in use. It suggests the difficulties faced by game makers in attempting to write games that don't exclude too many players.

 

[Madpacket]

If mining was so great, you think that people would be dumping older cards that gamers would buy. Yet no such thing is shown on steam.

How much of RX480 sales really goes to miners on a global scale? 1%?

I think you're severely underestimating the number of GPU sales going to miners but have no hard evidence to back that up.

However we can make an educated guess.

Take the total current ether hashrate (4,000 GH) and multiply by 1000 (4,000,000 Mh) and then divide by 20 (average card speed in Mh).

This gives you 200,000 cards currently mining ether. That's just one coin. There's also ETC (Ethereum Classic) which has roughly 700Gh dedicated or another 35,000 GPU's.

So let's assume 230,000 GPU's are currently mining.

Taking this number into consideration do you really think the most desirable mining card ever released (Radeon 480) accounts for only 1% of total sales?

 

[Arachnotronic]

But just in general, AMD market share has been so low that I think it only reasonable that they should pick up a few percent.

It's not low enough that I can't go lower -- around 22% of the desktop market still buys AMD and nearly 40% in notebooks. Overall share is around 30%.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So let's assume 230,000 GPU's are currently mining.

So in other words, its a niche and irrelevant as such to the numbers.

Also the hashrate went DOWN after the RX480 release.
https://etherscan.io/charts/hashrate