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smackababy

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It is a console that you have to buy the hardware for (that has working drivers for the OS), buy a separate controller of your choice (that has working drivers for the OS), install SteamOS, and then hope more than Valve games get ported to it.

I don't see this doing well against consoles; not in the least bit.

Hopefully, this will move developers away from just DX based gaming, but even that might not help Linux.
 

mmntech

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Looking outside the box, Steam OS may be the biggest threat to Windows in regard to PC gaming. Since it's Linux based, those features will ultimately port over to other distros. Including better driver and software support. It sounds like they're trying to get services like Netflix on board, which is a huge deal for me.

I really do hope it succeeds. Less reliance on Windows and any proprietary technology is always a good thing.
 

tokie

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Access to all existing games via LAN streaming. Just as I thought.

Exactly what I want.

I hope they allow streaming through Steam client - to - Steam client, without needing SteamOS. That way I could use my gaming rig to play games on my laptop.

Also the next announcement is lined up with ATI's GPU reveal on Wednesday. I'm guessing Valve will be releasing some hardware with ATI inside.
 

Nintendesert

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Looking outside the box, Steam OS may be the biggest threat to Windows in regard to PC gaming. Since it's Linux based, those features will ultimately port over to other distros. Including better driver and software support. It sounds like they're trying to get services like Netflix on board, which is a huge deal for me.

I really do hope it succeeds. Less reliance on Windows and any proprietary technology is always a good thing.



How is this any different than windows with openness? Steam itself is a closed environment so this would require a radical departure from how Valve currently operates to be more open than Windows.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I could honestly see them announcing HL3 as a SteamOS exclusive. Didn't they make HL2 exclusive to Steam and it's basically what put steam on the map? I can't remember back that long ago.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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well if you have a game box for your living room you could save like $70 instead of buying a windows key. maybe they'll do something for the chromecast since you can do streaming.
 

smackababy

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I could honestly see them announcing HL3 as a SteamOS exclusive. Didn't they make HL2 exclusive to Steam and it's basically what put steam on the map? I can't remember back that long ago.

They'd be much better off now than they were in 2004 doing an exclusive. They won't get nearly as much hate as they did then. However, I don't think a lot of people will install a new OS just to play HL3. A lot of those that were around when HL2 launched have given up hope Valve can do anything except run a store.

I don't understand why people still think HL3 is always going to be announced. And that it will be any good.
 

M0oG0oGaiPan

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I could honestly see them announcing HL3 as a SteamOS exclusive. Didn't they make HL2 exclusive to Steam and it's basically what put steam on the map? I can't remember back that long ago.

honestly i think it was less about hl2 and more about turning off the won id servers and making all the counterstrike players move to steam. that game probably had the highest player count over anything else at the time.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/valve-to-shut-down-won-servers-6102754

Valve Software announced today in a press release and a short note posted on the Steam Web site that it will be shutting down its WON authentication servers starting July 26 and ending July 31. As a result, in order to play Valve's games online, including Counter-Strike, Half-Life, and Day of Defeat, players will have to download and use Valve's free Steam service.
Because Steam features automatic upgrading as part of its service, the move is sure to ruffle the feathers of the rather large community of disaffected Counter-Strike 1.5 players, who refused to upgrade to Counter-Strike 1.6 when it was released. Many cite long load times, performance hits, and game crashes when using Steam as reasons for not upgrading and switching over to Valve's centralized online gaming service. Others were more concerned with game balance issues in the update, especially those involving the extremely controversial riot shield, and they maintain that version 1.5 is far better. Until now, they could still play on individual servers that ran the older version.
Valve initially created the WON ID servers to support CD-key authentication for Half-Life online play. They have been running for close to six years.
 

Pheran

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OK, so now that this announcement is out, we can do some better speculation about what the symbols mean for the other announcements. The 'O' for the first one is SteamOS. The second symbol (announcement coming in 2 days) is [O ]. That looks like "SteamOS in a box", so that one should be about some kind of hardware platform for SteamOS. The third one is [O+O], which is kind of interesting. If the second O represents another operating system, maybe they are going to offer SteamOS as a virtual machine so that you can run another OS alongside it on a SteamBox?
 

Stringjam

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I don't need an effing "SteamOS" to play on the big screen.

All it needs is a cable for $0.50.


Exactly....I don't get why all these articles are saying "now you can stream to your TV?"

Are all these people living in 1995 or what? The only thing you need to play PC games on your living-room TV is an HDMI cable.

Am I missing something here? You're still going to have to have a Windows box to run most games.
 

imaheadcase

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This is not exciting at all. Gamers for PC spend money on pc hardware for a reason. I'm sure if pc gamers have a console this might be interesting, but for most people it won't be.

The whole problem with this is that the announcement and all the fan fair is not at the target audience that would be interested in it.

I just don't see people going out and putting money on another computer just to stream to a box that streams to tv.

@stringjam that is what it looks like you need a windows box to to run games? Wonder if it requires you to purchase a 2nd version of said game..hehe
 

Lonyo

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Looking outside the box, Steam OS may be the biggest threat to Windows in regard to PC gaming. Since it's Linux based, those features will ultimately port over to other distros. Including better driver and software support. It sounds like they're trying to get services like Netflix on board, which is a huge deal for me.

I really do hope it succeeds. Less reliance on Windows and any proprietary technology is always a good thing.

Yeah, dump one proprietary system for another locked down DRM system.
Great!
Oh wait...
 

VulgarDisplay

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Some articles are making it sound like you can stream your steam library on your windows PC to your SteamOS box under your HDTV. Kinda cool, but nothing I really need.
 

irishScott

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Yeah, dump one proprietary system for another locked down DRM system.
Great!
Oh wait...

More like dumping one proprietary locked down DRM system for one open-source locked down DRM system. So it's still an improvement.

I don't see it taking the world by storm though.
 

gorcorps

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Exactly....I don't get why all these articles are saying "now you can stream to your TV?"

Are all these people living in 1995 or what? The only thing you need to play PC games on your living-room TV is an HDMI cable.

Am I missing something here? You're still going to have to have a Windows box to run most games.

HDMI cable is only rated to ~25' IIRC before signal degredation occurs. Not everybody keeps their gaming tower within 25' of their TV, and since I moved out of an apartment and into a house I'm one of them. In order to play PC games on my main TV I'd have to run both an HDMI and a couple USB leads between my office and living room.

Depending on how this turns out it could be something for me. If it's linux based and can also double as an HTPC and/or storage server than I'm on board.
 

Aikouka

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I wonder if the SteamOS will also take a ridiculously long time to log in just like the Steam client does.

Also the next announcement is lined up with ATI's GPU reveal on Wednesday. I'm guessing Valve will be releasing some hardware with ATI inside.

That's an interesting idea, but what if they pull a trick out of the console hat and go with a more custom APU from AMD? That might be able to help bring the cost down, which would probably help the console-centric folks not balk so much at a PC's higher price tag.
 

Unoid

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Nvidia shield already does the streaming with a controller. I plug it into HDMI to my 55" LCD in the living room., although the game is rendered at 720P@30fps and my tv is 1080P.

I heard nvidia might be releasing some super secret news this week or next as well.

Perhaps an nvidia+valve hardware? Or of course perhaps AMD.
 

el-Capitan

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Exactly....I don't get why all these articles are saying "now you can stream to your TV?"

Are all these people living in 1995 or what? The only thing you need to play PC games on your living-room TV is an HDMI cable.

Am I missing something here? You're still going to have to have a Windows box to run most games.

That's a little narrow-minded, no?

My PC is about 60ft away from my TV.

Those HDMI cables will cost closer to $50.00 and are not a permanent solution as I'll have cable lying around. Getting that installed is more expensive than a console.

Carrying the PC into the living room every time is not an option.

I have an HTPC without discrete GPU. I'd welcome an option where I can stream my games through LAN (so long as this is under Windows - i need my WMC).
 

destrekor

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Exactly what I want.

I hope they allow streaming through Steam client - to - Steam client, without needing SteamOS. That way I could use my gaming rig to play games on my laptop.

Also the next announcement is lined up with ATI's GPU reveal on Wednesday. I'm guessing Valve will be releasing some hardware with ATI inside.

OK, so now that this announcement is out, we can do some better speculation about what the symbols mean for the other announcements. The 'O' for the first one is SteamOS. The second symbol (announcement coming in 2 days) is [O ]. That looks like "SteamOS in a box", so that one should be about some kind of hardware platform for SteamOS. The third one is [O+O], which is kind of interesting. If the second O represents another operating system, maybe they are going to offer SteamOS as a virtual machine so that you can run another OS alongside it on a SteamBox?

Exactly what I am curious about.

I cannot give up Windows on my living room PC. I just built that machine to not necessarily be a Windows box for gaming or anything else, but for Windows Media Center. WMC remains the best and most-supported HTPC DVR platform at this time... at least for those of us who use CableCARDs products for Live TV and DVR features, including the recording and playback of content set with the Copy Once flag (of which, even simple sport broadcasts I have seen marked as such - thus, I must rely upon this even if I wanted to move to a different platform).

Even something like a dual-boot really won't work, because I'd either have to be very careful about what times I played anything, or I'd have to forgo recording anything at the time I wanted to play games. Which... yeah, that's no solution.


I have been experimenting with Steam Big Picture Mode on the HTPC, and it's nice - but it doesn't complete the idea here.
My HTPC has an HD 7750 with some basic gaming in mind, and is mostly there in case of needed horsepower to drive GPU-powered transcoding if I go that route.

But if I could utilize my gaming PC (which is a beast for a single 1080p display), streaming from Steam to Steam could make for some epic 50" PC gaming action for games that are great or even best-played with a controller.

I wouldn't ever bother with keyboard and mouse gaming from the couch.


Best, if the OS and, at least the streaming component, can work beautifully within a VM, that's perfect. Then, the "localized" living room efforts of SteamOS, with hopefully forced and improved controller support and ease of configuration for games played on it, could hopefully be layered onto even the streamed games. And, since the streamed games are using the horsepower of the remote gaming rig, the restricted resources of the VM shouldn't introduce any issues. Actually playing native SteamOS games in the VM, on a lesser-spec machine, probably is not advisable, but if I can get lag-free gaming, using streaming, between my gaming rig and my living room - with excellent controller support, I want that!




Exactly....I don't get why all these articles are saying "now you can stream to your TV?"

Are all these people living in 1995 or what? The only thing you need to play PC games on your living-room TV is an HDMI cable.

Am I missing something here? You're still going to have to have a Windows box to run most games.

That's a terrible solution in practice.

You have to power down, disconnect, move, and get on your hands and knees and crawl behind entertainment centers and all that jazz... hell no - not just to play a game for a little while and then reverse that process to reassemble the full computer desk.

And then, that doesn't introduce any living-room specific improvements/optimizations. I'm sure SteamOS will have even better native support for gamepads/controllers of multiple types... through the native Windows, directly attached to a TV approach, you have to play with configuration settings quite a bit to get more optimized support for a specific gamepad. Rare is it configured best out of the box.


And the effort behind this will also not only be to stream the full catalog from a Windows PC, but to also get developers to dedicate time toward development for their Linux-based distro. They might have some funky things going on to make it a little easier for devs as opposed to simply "porting to or developing alongside on Linux" - but that's simply a guess on my part. They might not get the dev support they really desire - and this might all be for bust because of that. The streaming option will be great for many of us, but if they don't get much major dev support to code games to run optimally in their Linux environment, I don't see the OS remaining supported by Valve for long.

There's developing for Linux, and then there's optimal code that doesn't make it feel like you are making major sacrifices running a game in Linux as opposed to Windows.

Linux gaming has made strides, but my efforts, especially due to the drivers situation, were never that fruitful compared to what I had in Windows for gaming. Much has changed even in the past year, but... not enough for my tastes.
That said, Valve's efforts could be leaps and bounds ahead of the unorganized Linux community's efforts. Valve might have better abilities to strong-arm Nvidia and AMD, for instance, and/or will at least be able to better curate what code is presented as available in a walled-garden-style package store/automatic updating effort.
The mixed hardware/software nature, however, leads me to worry that they really aren't doing anything on that front.

But at the very least, give me the option to stream from my gaming rig, and have a local connection for a USB gamepad with minimal/zero lag... and I'll sign up. Some games I'd really love to play in my living room on my plasma... and many games, I'll keep playing at my computer desk.
 

flexy

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So is SteamOS as Linux Distro which WORKS WITH ANY PC (obviously) ????? which...OBVIOUSLY....also would need to emulate DirectX?

If so, THIS would be the exiting part. The rest is "meh", but a Windows-independent game OS which "can play the majority of today's games" would indeed be...kind of a sensation.

Am I looking at it right or is SteamOS just some fancy word for another streaming solution but not really an "OS" that can in-fact play many games? (Or upgrading my MM PC to a gaming PC? Again...I don't need anything special to do that if I wanted that)

And..lol@HDMI cable for $50.

I see what you're saying, my Multimedia PC is OF COURSE "weaker" as my main PC but what would speak against connecting my main PC to my Plasma for gaming?

And by the way...the BUNCH of HDMI cables I bought of ebay, various lengths...were as far as I remember...PENNIES or maybe a buck or two. If you buy HDMI cables for $50....something must be obviously wrong.
 
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