Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: fisher
valve is great. steam is great. quit the hate.
i know people who have had their bf42 key stolen and had to get a new one, same procedure to prove they owned it, so it's not like valve is doing anything different. if they just believed every yahoo who emailed saying they should get a free key they'd go out of business.
I concur, I think Steam is fantastic, but I appear to be in the minority for some reason
I love steam as well. I don't care if it crashes or updates too damn often. I think people are expecting steam to be perfect in every way and that's why they hate it.
Steam can go to hell. I had 56k when I got HL2 and the network decrypting was bs. I also don't want my games to auto update. HL2 worked fine for me as shipped. I don't want to download patches I don't need, which can possibly break something that wasn't broken.
I'm on cable now, but I refuse to give them any more of my money. I may be getting Episode 1 through a video card I purchased, but I doubt I'm going to install it. I don't need a bunch of headaches provided by my entertainment. I get enough of that at work.
Originally posted by: diegoalcatraz
I'm a bit torn over steam. On one hand, anything that makes it easier for developers to distribute their work is a step in the right direction. I'm concerned that big publishers (*cough*EA*cough*) are stifling innovation by only supporting re-hash products. I'd kill for a turn-based RPG/combat (ala Fallout, or a new X-com). With costs of cutting edge games rising way beyond what an independent studio can venture, it seems like the big names are relying on their franchises. I wouldn't mind developers working with current-gen technology instead of spending disproportionate amounts on next-gen graphics/features, and instead focus on real content. (It would also save me $$ in the form of hardware upgrades) Meanwhile, while I like single player RPGs (with optional MP cooperative play support), we're also witnessing the maturation of MMORPGs, which eclipse their single player ancestors by offering a continuing profit model. Why develop a game which you'll make $50 per copy, when you can get $25 per month (minus operating costs) per player?
On the other hand, I see their online distribution model is flawed, and I see no easy way to fix it. I'm a big fan of actually having the physical medium. I actually enjoy reading the manuals. What happens if Steam tanks? You can't play your game anymore, whether it be online or offline. There's some snafu with your email or account? You're SOL, until [unless] they resolve it. Your on a PC that [god forbid] doesn't have 'net access? You need a workaround to actually be able to start your game.
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: fisher
valve is great. steam is great. quit the hate.
i know people who have had their bf42 key stolen and had to get a new one, same procedure to prove they owned it, so it's not like valve is doing anything different. if they just believed every yahoo who emailed saying they should get a free key they'd go out of business.
I concur, I think Steam is fantastic, but I appear to be in the minority for some reason
I love steam as well. I don't care if it crashes or updates too damn often. I think people are expecting steam to be perfect in every way and that's why they hate it.
Steam can go to hell. I had 56k when I got HL2 and the network decrypting was bs. I also don't want my games to auto update. HL2 worked fine for me as shipped. I don't want to download patches I don't need, which can possibly break something that wasn't broken.
I'm on cable now, but I refuse to give them any more of my money. I may be getting Episode 1 through a video card I purchased, but I doubt I'm going to install it. I don't need a bunch of headaches provided by my entertainment. I get enough of that at work.
yes it's valve's fault that you were stuck on 56k and were behind the curve, even then. most of your post is laughable at best, but this part is even more so.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: fisher
valve is great. steam is great. quit the hate.
i know people who have had their bf42 key stolen and had to get a new one, same procedure to prove they owned it, so it's not like valve is doing anything different. if they just believed every yahoo who emailed saying they should get a free key they'd go out of business.
I concur, I think Steam is fantastic, but I appear to be in the minority for some reason
I love steam as well. I don't care if it crashes or updates too damn often. I think people are expecting steam to be perfect in every way and that's why they hate it.
Steam can go to hell. I had 56k when I got HL2 and the network decrypting was bs. I also don't want my games to auto update. HL2 worked fine for me as shipped. I don't want to download patches I don't need, which can possibly break something that wasn't broken.
I'm on cable now, but I refuse to give them any more of my money. I may be getting Episode 1 through a video card I purchased, but I doubt I'm going to install it. I don't need a bunch of headaches provided by my entertainment. I get enough of that at work.
yes it's valve's fault that you were stuck on 56k and were behind the curve, even then. most of your post is laughable at best, but this part is even more so.
Look jackass, I shouldn't need a bb connection to play a single player game. MS doesn't require 100mb+ downloads, and file decryption before I use Windows, and re-update every week before I try to use my system. And yes, it is unacceptable to push updates to software. I've seen too many problems with developers "updates" to download right away. I didn't need them when I installed the game, I sure as hell don't need them 1 week later. I'm the one whose going to decide what goes on my system, not a bunch of hacks that can't even distribute a game smoothly.
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: fisher
valve is great. steam is great. quit the hate.
i know people who have had their bf42 key stolen and had to get a new one, same procedure to prove they owned it, so it's not like valve is doing anything different. if they just believed every yahoo who emailed saying they should get a free key they'd go out of business.
I concur, I think Steam is fantastic, but I appear to be in the minority for some reason
I love steam as well. I don't care if it crashes or updates too damn often. I think people are expecting steam to be perfect in every way and that's why they hate it.
Steam can go to hell. I had 56k when I got HL2 and the network decrypting was bs. I also don't want my games to auto update. HL2 worked fine for me as shipped. I don't want to download patches I don't need, which can possibly break something that wasn't broken.
I'm on cable now, but I refuse to give them any more of my money. I may be getting Episode 1 through a video card I purchased, but I doubt I'm going to install it. I don't need a bunch of headaches provided by my entertainment. I get enough of that at work.
yes it's valve's fault that you were stuck on 56k and were behind the curve, even then. most of your post is laughable at best, but this part is even more so.
Look jackass, I shouldn't need a bb connection to play a single player game. MS doesn't require 100mb+ downloads, and file decryption before I use Windows, and re-update every week before I try to use my system. And yes, it is unacceptable to push updates to software. I've seen too many problems with developers "updates" to download right away. I didn't need them when I installed the game, I sure as hell don't need them 1 week later. I'm the one whose going to decide what goes on my system, not a bunch of hacks that can't even distribute a game smoothly.
touch a nerve did i? hehe.
you don't NEED a bb connection, you do have the option of buying offline and dealing with a game sold through a publisher. valve keeps strict control over their games to try and keep the cheating down. i'm not sure what windows has to do with games or valve, but okay. honestly you're the type of person that valve doesn't need as a customer, because you would be happy living in the dark ages and keeping technology held back because you think your computer rights are being violated somehow. you seem to be one of those tools who insists on spamming their rig specs in every thread in your sig because you're too ignorant or annoying to learn to use the system rig features built into my anandtech, so i guess i shouldn't be surprised.
as far as distributing a game smoothly, valve does fine. once again, being in the dark ages of the internet is not valve's fault, it's yours.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Pt#4 This doesn't pertain to this issue, but HL2 was garbage.
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Pt#4 This doesn't pertain to this issue, but HL2 was garbage.
Easy there fella, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer....
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: fisher
valve is great. steam is great. quit the hate.
i know people who have had their bf42 key stolen and had to get a new one, same procedure to prove they owned it, so it's not like valve is doing anything different. if they just believed every yahoo who emailed saying they should get a free key they'd go out of business.
I concur, I think Steam is fantastic, but I appear to be in the minority for some reason
I love steam as well. I don't care if it crashes or updates too damn often. I think people are expecting steam to be perfect in every way and that's why they hate it.
Steam can go to hell. I had 56k when I got HL2 and the network decrypting was bs. I also don't want my games to auto update. HL2 worked fine for me as shipped. I don't want to download patches I don't need, which can possibly break something that wasn't broken.
I'm on cable now, but I refuse to give them any more of my money. I may be getting Episode 1 through a video card I purchased, but I doubt I'm going to install it. I don't need a bunch of headaches provided by my entertainment. I get enough of that at work.
Wait, why do you hate them? Because they are constantly updating and adding things to improve and fix their games? ...oh the horror!! :roll:
edit: typo
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Pt#4 This doesn't pertain to this issue, but HL2 was garbage.
Easy there fella, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer....
Cut him some slack.
Fisher just pretty much attacked him in a personal manner several times because he didn't like his opinion on Steam.
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Pt#4 This doesn't pertain to this issue, but HL2 was garbage.
Easy there fella, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer....
Cut him some slack.
Fisher just pretty much attacked him in a personal manner several times because he didn't like his opinion on Steam.
Ok, will do. Thing is I just finished the game for the first time and can not imagine how anyone could hate it
Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Pt#4 This doesn't pertain to this issue, but HL2 was garbage.
Easy there fella, put down the crack pipe and step away from the computer....
Cut him some slack.
Fisher just pretty much attacked him in a personal manner several times because he didn't like his opinion on Steam.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
Pt#1 I'll put what I want in my sig. If you don't like it you're free to ignore my posts.
Pt#2 How far do care to take the connection issue? do you have a T1 line to your house? If not you're holding back technology. Much more could be done at those speeds if you weren't holding things back.
Pt#3 I bought my game offline, just like I did my os. All I had to do to make Windows work was to install the system, type in my key, then spend 30 seconds (at 50.6kbs) to activate my software. Spending 45 minutes decrypting and updating software is unacceptable.
Pt#4 I guess with all the weed you've been smoking you forgot about the many times the Steam system was unavailable. I shouldn't have to connect to a network to play a sp game period.
Pt#4 This doesn't pertain to this issue, but HL2 was garbage. It didn't even come close to quality that was HL1. The gameplay was lackluster, and the graphics were evolutionary at best. They did a good job with the people, and water effects. The rest looked like a minor update to the graphics engine. For as long as it took, and as short as the game was they could have done much better for my $35.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
This is my last post on this topic, I'm finished with it, and with you. I played the hell out of the original HL, and I've never spent 1 second on a CS server. If you can't see how bad the graphics are in HL2 then you're blind. The textures looked like crap for the most part, and the low polys they used in some of the models was very apparent. I already stated they did a good hjob with the people and the water, but that was it. The noticable fogging in many of the levels points to an unoptimized engine. As far as the gameplay goes the driving levels were tedious, and the puzzles were uninspired. The rest of the game was standard fps fare. You need to lay off the fanboyism and take an objective look at what you're talking about.
As to the Windows comparison, that's to demonstrate the correct way to implement piracy protection. Steam is not.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
This is my last post on this topic, I'm finished with it, and with you. I played the hell out of the original HL, and I've never spent 1 second on a CS server. If you can't see how bad the graphics are in HL2 then you're blind. The textures looked like crap for the most part, and the low polys they used in some of the models was very apparent. I already stated they did a good hjob with the people and the water, but that was it. The noticable fogging in many of the levels points to an unoptimized engine. As far as the gameplay goes the driving levels were tedious, and the puzzles were uninspired. The rest of the game was standard fps fare. You need to lay off the fanboyism and take an objective look at what you're talking about.
As to the Windows comparison, that's to demonstrate the correct way to implement piracy protection. Steam is not.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: lxskllr
This is my last post on this topic, I'm finished with it, and with you. I played the hell out of the original HL, and I've never spent 1 second on a CS server. If you can't see how bad the graphics are in HL2 then you're blind. The textures looked like crap for the most part, and the low polys they used in some of the models was very apparent. I already stated they did a good hjob with the people and the water, but that was it. The noticable fogging in many of the levels points to an unoptimized engine. As far as the gameplay goes the driving levels were tedious, and the puzzles were uninspired. The rest of the game was standard fps fare. You need to lay off the fanboyism and take an objective look at what you're talking about.
As to the Windows comparison, that's to demonstrate the correct way to implement piracy protection. Steam is not.
hehe, oh my.
You'll be shocked to know that Fogging is optomization, not the lack thereof. Without the Fog you'd be complaining about the poor performance.
Originally posted by: lxskllr
This is my last post on this topic, I'm finished with it, and with you. I played the hell out of the original HL, and I've never spent 1 second on a CS server. If you can't see how bad the graphics are in HL2 then you're blind. The textures looked like crap for the most part, and the low polys they used in some of the models was very apparent. I already stated they did a good hjob with the people and the water, but that was it. The noticable fogging in many of the levels points to an unoptimized engine. As far as the gameplay goes the driving levels were tedious, and the puzzles were uninspired. The rest of the game was standard fps fare. You need to lay off the fanboyism and take an objective look at what you're talking about.
As to the Windows comparison, that's to demonstrate the correct way to implement piracy protection. Steam is not.
Originally posted by: brikis98
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: lxskllr
This is my last post on this topic, I'm finished with it, and with you. I played the hell out of the original HL, and I've never spent 1 second on a CS server. If you can't see how bad the graphics are in HL2 then you're blind. The textures looked like crap for the most part, and the low polys they used in some of the models was very apparent. I already stated they did a good hjob with the people and the water, but that was it. The noticable fogging in many of the levels points to an unoptimized engine. As far as the gameplay goes the driving levels were tedious, and the puzzles were uninspired. The rest of the game was standard fps fare. You need to lay off the fanboyism and take an objective look at what you're talking about.
As to the Windows comparison, that's to demonstrate the correct way to implement piracy protection. Steam is not.
hehe, oh my.
You'll be shocked to know that Fogging is optomization, not the lack thereof. Without the Fog you'd be complaining about the poor performance.
well... IMO, fog is more of a "hack" or workaround put in to improve performance BECAUSE the developers didn't/couldn't optimize the graphics in any other way. having said that, i personally think HL 2 had very good graphics and don't really agree with lxskllr's opinion on that matter.