Step by Step Install ATI HDTV Wonder in WMCE

gbrux

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The number of folks who have difficulty in installing the ATI HDTV Wonder is significant. Here is a step-by-step guide for a low risk, highly successful installation of the ATI HDTV Wonder high definition TV tuner card and another analog tv tuner in a Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.

A few caveats: (1) the procedure assumes a new installation of Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 on a clean hard drive, (2) the procedure does not apply to a plain Windows XP installation, although the technique should work, (3) you will use the latest applicable Windows Updates and ATI drivers, and (4) it is essential that you install a DVD decoder like Nvidia's DVD decoder.

Also, we strongly recommend that you perform a proper analysis of your antenna requirements beforehand. It's no use in installing a tv tuner if you get very weak over-the-air signals from your local broadcasters. See AntennaWeb.org and CheckHD.com.

Most analogue TV tuners with hardware MPEG encoding will work, but the tuners that are certified for the Windows XP Media Center Edtion 2005 logo are preferred.

The procedure:

1. Install Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 without the tv tuner cards. Do the Windows Update. Don't go into MCE to setup TV channels yet, of course.
2. Install the HDTV Rollup update from Microsoft, if not previously installed
3. Install the analog TV tuner drivers. Shutdown.
4. Physically install the analog TV tuner in the PCI slot. Restart. Check Device Manager
5. Install the HDTV Wonder driver from ATI. Shutdown.
6. Physically install the ATI card in a PCI slot
5. ReStart. The card gets detected and set up automatically. Check Device Manager.
6. Launch MCE and setup TV channels that you want; you will need an internet connection to download the TV guide.

These steps should be considered a very conservative approach with low risk of failure. An alternative approach would be to throw all the parts and cards into the box and let Windows XP do it's thing, and then install the latest drivers for the tuners along the way. I've tried this technique with success.

You might consider some precautionary steps. Make images of the system partition/hard drive with Ghost or some other imager (make sure you check the Ghost image for corruption). Run Windows XP's Restore at various critical points. These in the event you have to retreat to an earlier install position.

There two HD tuners on the list of certified for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 parts: ATI HDTV Wonder and Avermedia AverTVHD MCE A180. In addition, the Dvico FusionHDTV III tuner will work in WMCE 2005. Note well that, all three of the HD tuners will not work in WMCE 2005 without the presence in the system of an analogue tuner with hardware MPEG encoding, at least during setting up of digital TV channels in WMCE.

However, the ATI HDTV Wonder will work in WMCE without the presence of an analogue TV tuner with hardware MPEG encoding if you use the so-called Kram drivers. The Kram drivers are a hacked version of ATI's Catalyst drivers, the WMCE portion of which is used to make the ATI HDTV Wonder work. However, there are reports that the quality of the standard definition TV from the analogue part of the HDTV Wonder is not very good. As this software is not official, you are generally on your own as to getting them to work.

At the present moment, I have one analogue tuner (Hauppauge's WinTV PVR 250MCE) and two HD tuners (HDTV Wonder and AverTVHD) in my system, and all three perform very well. Two HD tuners permit recording of two HD programs or record one and watch live another, simultaneously.

Do not be confused about video encoders and decoders. An analogue tuner with hardware MPEG "encoding" in required, and a DVD "decoder" is required.

For users of motherboards that support PCIe graphics cards with a limited number of PCI slots, a USB analogue TV tuner with hardware MPEG encoding will serve these purposes as well as a PCI analogue tv card. Hauppauge's WinTV USB2 tuner is an example. After setting up the standard and digital channels in WMCE, you can remove the analogue tuner from the system.

Lastly, your best MCE pc system design is one for a high performance computer. Trying to do this on the cheap or with spare pc parts will increase your risk of a poorly performing system or of outright failure. After all, you will be processing video in all its forms. MS's and ATI's recommended (not minimum) system requirements are good starts.

For instance, Microsoft's list of "certified for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 logo" recommends at least Radeon 9800 and GeforceFX 5200 graphics cards.

I do not guarantee that the above procedure will work for you or with all system configurations. I am a volunteer, not paid by anyone, and have no connections with Microsoft, ATI, or any other company. To the extent copyright laws are applicable, I grant a non-exclusive right to all individuals for private copying and use. There are no warranties of any kind, and where an express or implied warranty may apply, total damages shall be limited to one cent USA. In other words, use the above at your own risk.
 

SKiller

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Quick question: Will this (or using the Kram drivers) allow for both the analogue and the HD tuners on the card to work simultaneously (i.e. watch analog and record HD or vise versa)?
 

gbrux

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Yes when there is an indepedent analogue tuner and the ATI HDTV Wonder.

When the Kram drivers are used to permit the use of the analogue tuner in the ATI HDTV Wonder, the video from the analogue tuner is reportedly not very good. I have never used the Kram drivers.

However, the more exciting setup is to have two HD tuners where you can record two HD programs simultaneously. Over at the AVSforum, after one user said that he installed an Avermedia AverTVHD MCE A180 tuner alonside an ATI HDTV Wonder in a prexisting WMCE box, WMCE picked the AverTVHD, setup a second set of digital channels, and was immediately able to record simultanenously two HD programs.
 

IceBreakerG

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Hey, I read your post on this, and I just received my card today. I was wondering if you could help me solve a problem i'm having though. I noticed that WMEncoder 9 is a requirement for this. I didn't have it installed at first, but the software would load, and I would get no audio and no video. After i realized i didn't have WMEncoder 9 installed, I downloaded it and installed it. I rebooted my system. When windows came back up (it took a while for some reason) and i tried to start the tv player my system locked up. The player never came up, it just locked up while it was loading. This is the 2nd card i've had. The first one i sent back because I thought it was defective. This was several months ago. I decided to get another because my friend has the card and does not have any problems. Here is my system configuration:

AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Asus A7N8X Delux
1GB Corsair XMS3200 DDR Ram
Asus Radeon 9600XT
SoundBlaster Audigy 2 Platinum
Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Catalyst 5.4 Drivers
Multimedia Center 9.04

Can you please help me figure this out? I would really like for this to work, but its pissing me off with all the issues i keep having
 

gbrux

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Windows Media Encoder is not a requirement for the ATI HDTV Wonder in a WMCE 2005 system.

DVD decoders are required, however. Nvidia's DVD decoders have been reccommended often, and you can download these from Nvidia's website for a trial period use. There are others if you search around, like over at Doom9.org.

Incidentally, I just installed a second HD tuner (Avermedia's AverTVHD A180) in my box, and it works. So, I can record two HD programs simultaneously, or watch one program while recording another.
 

gbrux

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I've done some editing to the lead post in this thread.

Specifically, I've noted that alternative approaches do work, and that I currently have two HD tuners in my WMCE system that perform quite well.
 
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