Stephen Hawking and other scientists urge pardon for Alan Turing.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...phen-hawking-gay-computer-icon_n_2301097.html

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Stephen Hawking and other eminent scientists called Friday for the British government to pardon computer pioneer Alan Turing, who helped win World War II but was later prosecuted for homosexuality.

In a letter published in the Daily Telegraph newspaper, Hawking and 10 others urged Prime Minister David Cameron "formally to forgive the iconic British hero."

The letter, whose signatories also include Astronomer Royal Martin Rees and Paul Nurse, president of the Royal Society, called Turing "one of the most brilliant mathematicians of the modern era."

"It is time his reputation was unblemished," it said.

Turing worked at Bletchley Park, the wartime code-breaking center, where he helped crack Nazi Germany's secret codes by creating the "Turing bombe," a forerunner of modern computers.

He also developed the "Turing Test" to measure artificial intelligence.

After the war, Turing was prosecuted for having sex with a man, stripped of his security clearance and forcibly treated with female hormones. He killed himself in 1954 at age 41 by eating an apple laced with cyanide.

Sex between men remained illegal in Britain until 1967.

In 2009, then-Prime Minister Gordon Brown made a public apology on behalf of the government for Turing's "inhumane" treatment, saying: "We're sorry, you deserved so much better."


Its pretty sad that this hasn't been taken care of yet. I can't think of many individuals who did more singlehandedly to win the war.

(btw if its P&N please move it.)
 

frostedflakes

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Thought Britain already formally apologized for what they did to Turing following the war.

edit: That's what I get for not reading further down before posting. So they want the current PM to apologize as well?
 

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He broke the law at the time it seems unfair to us today knowing what we know now but at the time the man committed a crime. There should be no pardon for him. His story should be part of history and should serve as an example of how homosexuals were treated in the conservative times.
 

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He broke the law at the time it seems unfair to us today knowing what we know now but at the time the man committed a crime. There should be no pardon for him. His story should be part of history and should serve as an example of how homosexuals were treated in the conservative times.

Incorrect.
He should have his record expunged and it should be a publicly done thing.
There are still people who were around then with criminal records for homosexuality, and a background check just brings up a conviction, so they suffer now because they did something which was illegal at the time, but now we consider ridiculous to be illegal.

There is a real issue (although not affecting a huge number of people) that they still have a criminal record due to homosexuality, something which in this day and age is pretty ridiculous, and can impact their day to day life.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20522465
 

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Lonyo I know it sucks but these people knew they were breaking the law and they decided to do so irregardless of consequences. These criminal records are like historical monuments you don't want to demolish them.
On a side note your article has something very interesting in it.
"n 2000 the age of consent for sex between two men was amended from 18 to 16, in line with heterosexual sex. It had been reduced from 21 to 18 in 1994"
Why is homosexual sex legal at 16 but heterosexual sex illegal under 18. This looks like a double standard. What about all the people that have statutory rape convictions because they had sex with someone under 18. They will have a criminal record just like these man have. But if they had same sex they didn't commit a crime.
 

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Lonyo I know it sucks but these people knew they were breaking the law and they decided to do so irregardless of consequences. These criminal records are like historical monuments you don't want to demolish them.
On a side note your article has something very interesting in it.
"n 2000 the age of consent for sex between two men was amended from 18 to 16, in line with heterosexual sex. It had been reduced from 21 to 18 in 1994"
Why is homosexual sex legal at 16 but heterosexual sex illegal under 18. This looks like a double standard. What about all the people that have statutory rape convictions because they had sex with someone under 18. They will have a criminal record just like these man have. But if they had same sex they didn't commit a crime.

At least you are a moron on several issues. The sad thing is that you find yourself intelligent.
 

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Lonyo I know it sucks but these people knew they were breaking the law and they decided to do so irregardless of consequences. These criminal records are like historical monuments you don't want to demolish them.
On a side note your article has something very interesting in it.
"n 2000 the age of consent for sex between two men was amended from 18 to 16, in line with heterosexual sex. It had been reduced from 21 to 18 in 1994"
Why is homosexual sex legal at 16 but heterosexual sex illegal under 18. This looks like a double standard. What about all the people that have statutory rape convictions because they had sex with someone under 18. They will have a criminal record just like these man have. But if they had same sex they didn't commit a crime.

Using the non-word 'irregardless' is breaking the law of good English, incidentally!

But I don't understand your question above. You ask "Why is homosexual sex legal at 16 but heterosexual sex illegal under 18?". The question makes no sense, the age of consent for both is 16. It used to be higher for homosexual sex, but then it was equalised.
 

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Lonyo I know it sucks but these people knew they were breaking the law and they decided to do so irregardless of consequences. These criminal records are like historical monuments you don't want to demolish them.
On a side note your article has something very interesting in it.
"n 2000 the age of consent for sex between two men was amended from 18 to 16, in line with heterosexual sex. It had been reduced from 21 to 18 in 1994"
Why is homosexual sex legal at 16 but heterosexual sex illegal under 18. This looks like a double standard. What about all the people that have statutory rape convictions because they had sex with someone under 18. They will have a criminal record just like these man have. But if they had same sex they didn't commit a crime.
reading comprehension failure.

the bolded statement says that age of consent for homosexuals was reduced to 16 the same as heterosexuals.
 

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The real problem is that this happened at all. Too many laws is always a bad thing.
 
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