Steroids, Tren, Clen, HGH, and Dren. Can you get shredded w/out the drugs?

[elitejp]

basically it will be decided on your genetics. Rarely are you going to see a big guy that is ripped all over. If your a buck fifty then its not going to be too hard to be cut. Its like this black guy I knew when on the football team. He was in the locker changing and i asked him how long hes been working out, the guy was just solid. His answer: "Never been in the gym". And here i was going on a few years already. Now its been 15 years plus, my body can change here and there and im naturally skinny but im not ever going to get that cut with that amount of muscle without a little extra help. And even with the extra help theres a good chance that i will mainly stay within my current bf percentage but would be able to add another 20 lbs of muscle/fat to my frame. Currently I would estimate im in the low teens of bf% and am weighing in just below 200lbs at 6'. The most I ever weighed was 217 on a super heavy bilk and my body began losing that as soon as I stopped force feeding myself.

 

[Kaido]

So, my question is can most people get as ripped as Zyzz without resorting to drug use? Can you really do it with a proper diet, preworkout drinks, protein shakes and hard workouts. My gut tells me no. But, I'm sure there are plenty of naturals who would say otherwise.

Yes, but it's mostly diet, and most people hate being accountable to themselves about what they eat. To get super shredded (steroid-free), the absolute best combination I've found is calisthenics & a low-fat vegan diet. No gym required for bodyweight exercises & it's easy to control your calories & fat intake if you're prepping all of your food from veggies, fruits, nuts, etc. (provided you're not using packaged stuff that has fillers & preservatives in it) Frank Medrano is the perfect example for that:

http://www.cutandjacked.com/CutAndJacked-Interview-Calisthenics-Vegan-Frank-Medrano

Or even a fruitarian diet, also naturally low in fat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TwXHsSE5Vg

But that's pretty extreme. Most people don't want to change their diets that much. IIFYM is the second-best way I've seen of getting shredded because you are accountable for both your calories & your macros, so you can explicitly control your results, and you still get to eat yummy stuff. That, and most people prefer doing weights for strength training because you can go to a gym, workout with your buddies, etc. And really, if you want to get big, you need stuff like weights. Bodyweight workouts get you shredded but not huge. But it's hard to maintain mass and get shredded. A pretty good website to check out to learn more about what natural bodybuilding looks like is Natty or Not:

http://nattyornot.com/archives/

Good starter article:

How big can you get naturally, without steroids?

It all depends on what you're willing to do. If you eat right so you get your bodyfat percentage down & do workouts to make your muscles, especially your abs, pop out, then it's doable. It's also realizing that it's partly stagecraft. Bodybuilders will dehydrate themselves before shoots, eat cookies & workout to get a pump before the cameras roll, use lighting tricks like extremely lighting, spray-tans, and getting oiled up to highlight their muscles so that the definition becomes more visible to the eye.

Again though, aside from pumping up your muscles bigger, looking shredded pretty much boils down to having a low bodyfat percentage. Check out Helmut Strebl, who typically lives under 5%:

http://www.simplyshredded.com/shred...mut-strebl-talks-with-simplyshredded-com.html

 

[Mai72]

Thanks for the reply guys. Kaido I will check out that article.

Thanks.

 

[SP33Demon]

Yes, but it's mostly diet, and most people hate being accountable to themselves about what they eat. To get super shredded (steroid-free), the absolute best combination I've found is calisthenics & a low-fat vegan diet. No gym required for bodyweight exercises & it's easy to control your calories & fat intake if you're prepping all of your food from veggies, fruits, nuts, etc. (provided you're not using packaged stuff that has fillers & preservatives in it) Frank Medrano is the perfect example for that:

http://www.cutandjacked.com/CutAndJacked-Interview-Calisthenics-Vegan-Frank-Medrano

Or even a fruitarian diet, also naturally low in fat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TwXHsSE5Vg

But that's pretty extreme. Most people don't want to change their diets that much. IIFYM is the second-best way I've seen of getting shredded because you are accountable for both your calories & your macros, so you can explicitly control your results, and you still get to eat yummy stuff. That, and most people prefer doing weights for strength training because you can go to a gym, workout with your buddies, etc. And really, if you want to get big, you need stuff like weights. Bodyweight workouts get you shredded but not huge. But it's hard to maintain mass and get shredded. A pretty good website to check out to learn more about what natural bodybuilding looks like is Natty or Not:

http://nattyornot.com/archives/

Good starter article:

How big can you get naturally, without steroids?

It all depends on what you're willing to do. If you eat right so you get your bodyfat percentage down & do workouts to make your muscles, especially your abs, pop out, then it's doable. It's also realizing that it's partly stagecraft. Bodybuilders will dehydrate themselves before shoots, eat cookies & workout to get a pump before the cameras roll, use lighting tricks like extremely lighting, spray-tans, and getting oiled up to highlight their muscles so that the definition becomes more visible to the eye.

Again though, aside from pumping up your muscles bigger, looking shredded pretty much boils down to having a low bodyfat percentage. Check out Helmut Strebl, who typically lives under 5%:

http://www.simplyshredded.com/shred...mut-strebl-talks-with-simplyshredded-com.html

Helmut's physique is incredible for being drug free.

 

[Zivic]

Helmut's physique is incredible for being drug free.

only he knows if he is drug free.

A lot of people could take all the drugs they wanted and not look like that. to maintain that level of conditioning without drugs most would have hormone issues, no sex drive, ED.

given he is 40+ and how full he looks there are probably less than a handful of people in the world that could do this without drugs, and relatively few that could do it with drugs.

if he is drug free, it would show it is possible, but the likely hood of anyone reading this thread attaining anything even close would be next to zero. Not impossible, but I'd say you'd have a lot better chance hitting the lotto 2-3x over before achieving this, let alone maintaining it for any period of time

 

[iluvdeal]

Helmut's physique is incredible for being drug free.

So is Dana Linn Bailey's.

 

[Kaido]

Helmut's physique is incredible for being drug free.

Not to mention he'll be pushing 50 soon!

 

[Zivic]

So is Dana Linn Bailey's.

LOL i c what you did there

 

[iluvdeal]

Not to mention he'll be pushing 50 soon!

With even more time to train, I'll bet he'll be even bigger. Hard work = results. Say no to drugs.