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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Jobs would have avoided cancer if he stuck to a whole plant based diet.... including lemony brewed white tea.

Such a diet can reverse our 15 killers.

80% of variance in Brest cancer survival rates is predictable by diet and exercise.


He had something quite different; but the principles are the same: Don't eat animal products, change you base rate of death/disability significantly.[/QUOTE]ummm no!!
 

BurnItDwn

Lifer
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Meh, Jobs was a marketing & business guy. He wasn't a technical guy. He didn't solve any "how do I build this" or "how does this work" type problems. The guy was a strategic thinker, and he knew how to read people, but, he was not really a "tech" giant. That was the Woz.
 

Dr. Zaus

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"Dietary factors account for at least 30% of all cancers in Western countries... vegan diets showed statistically significant protection for overall cancer incidence"

http://m.cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/22/2/286.long

"The bible agrees with the general positive health associated with a fruit and leaves diet: "fruit will be for food and their leaves for medicine.” Ezekiel 47:12;

Daniel 1:12-16
12 “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” 14 So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.

15 At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. 16 So the guard took away their choice food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead"
 

lefenzy

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"Dietary factors account for at least 30% of all cancers in Western countries... vegan diets showed statistically significant protection for overall cancer incidence"

http://m.cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/22/2/286.long

"The bible agrees with the general positive health associated with a fruit and leaves diet: "fruit will be for food and their leaves for medicine.” Ezekiel 47:12;

Daniel 1:12-16
12 “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” 14 So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.

15 At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. 16 So the guard took away their choice food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead"

I can imagine being vegetarian, but I can't see forgoing milk, cheese, and eggs.
 

nakedfrog

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This thread did not turn out the way I expected.


Also, I had a grudge against Steve Jobs because I'm pretty sure he's the one that keyed my car.
 

BurnItDwn

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I couldn't imagine giving up bacon until I watched as my dad slowly died of cancer at 61
Seems like one should eat as much "whole grain" and "whole fruit" as one can possibly stand, and then eating "moderate" amounts of other not as healthy things seems like a good middle ground for a lot of people.

We went out for a nice dinner over the weekend, rather than eating a 26oz prime rib each, the woman and I ordered a single king cuh of prime rib and a filet of salmon, and we each ate half of the prime rib, and half the fillet of Salmon. 6oz of salmon probably a lot better for us vs 13oz of Prime Rib.

(Of course I raided the salad bar and also had several bowls of their cabbage and andouille soup too... (Andouille sausage will be my downfall, for it is perhaps even more glorious than the mighty titan of flavor, bacon))
 

Dr. Zaus

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Seems like one should eat as much "whole grain" and "whole fruit" as one can possibly stand, and then eating "moderate" amounts of other not as healthy things seems like a good middle ground for a lot of people.

We went out for a nice dinner over the weekend, rather than eating a 26oz prime rib each, the woman and I ordered a single king cuh of prime rib and a filet of salmon, and we each ate half of the prime rib, and half the fillet of Salmon. 6oz of salmon probably a lot better for us vs 13oz of Prime Rib.

(Of course I raided the salad bar and also had several bowls of their cabbage and andouille soup too... (Andouille sausage will be my downfall, for it is perhaps even more glorious than the mighty titan of flavor, bacon))
A few helpings of dark green leafy veg is good medicine. But I know what you mean.

We called my dad "Old Man Hamburger" and to celebrate his life the dozen of us at his funeral went to fogo de chao. Unlimited meat covered in meat.

I probably eat vegetarian monthly and vegan weekly (as opposed to whole plant every day every meal). It hasn't hampered my ~3lbs a week of weight loss, diabetes control, and I seriously doubt that a little cheese once a month is going to significantly increase my likelihood of death against a backdrop of 60-120 grams of fiber a day.

But I'll say this: I have much better, and more fond, memories of the great food that I eat when go off diet monthly than I did of eating like that every day.

I'll bet your 'remembering' self doesn't care one bit if it's Andouille sausage (thank you very much for reminding me of it you rat bastard!) one a month or once a day. A decade from now you'll remember both frequencies with equal enjoyment, but your heart will remember the ~30x reduction in saturated fat very fondly indeed.

That said, people used to say they had a smoking 'habit', then that they weren't addicted they just didn't want to quit, then they admitted they were addicted but couldn't quit, now most have quit.

I don't now what it is about high-density caloric food (like that Andouille); but I think for some people it's a little more than 'how I was raised' or 'i just like it'; but something where you 1) recognize the significant negative health consequences 2) would like to stop and 3) have difficulty.

I'm not going to say it's like nicotine or coke or heroin: but I know for a lot of people recognizing their cravings for foods deleterious to their health as pangs of addiction would at once be hard to deal with, and explain why they haven't yet broken the diet-binge cycle.
 
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Red Squirrel

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Meh, Jobs was a marketing & business guy. He wasn't a technical guy. He didn't solve any "how do I build this" or "how does this work" type problems. The guy was a strategic thinker, and he knew how to read people, but, he was not really a "tech" giant. That was the Woz.

Pretty much. He could envision something that he knew people would like, but then he just got somebody else to actually build it. Though, most companies seem to work that way now, so it's not really a fault, but almost anyone could do that, question is whether or not you could actually market it. Jobs was a genius when it came to that part.
 

Tormac

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Jobs was a shitty parent. I'm more likely to do the opposite of him than follow his lead.

For example, instead of ignoring my child and denying I'm their father, I spend lots of time doing stuff together with my kids.

This
 

Kaido

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Pretty much. He could envision something that he knew people would like, but then he just got somebody else to actually build it. Though, most companies seem to work that way now, so it's not really a fault, but almost anyone could do that, question is whether or not you could actually market it. Jobs was a genius when it came to that part.

His success was due to 2 parts: he had vision, and he could also marshal the resources to implement his vision. Lots of people have really wonderful ideas, but the problem is that most people who are able to make huge-scale visions happen become merciless dictators. Judging by the endless stories of him being a jerk, it sounds like he fell into that trap. Very charismatic on the stage though...I used to love watching Apple Events because of his presentations! I would schedule a chunk out of my day to follow all the new stuff announced, it was like an early Christmas! Rarely feel that excited as an adult anymore.
 

BurnItDwn

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Oct 10, 1999
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A few helpings of dark green leafy veg is good medicine. But I know what you mean.

We called my dad "Old Man Hamburger" and to celebrate his life the dozen of us at his funeral went to fogo de chao. Unlimited meat covered in meat.

I probably eat vegetarian monthly and vegan weekly (as opposed to whole plant every day every meal). It hasn't hampered my ~3lbs a week of weight loss, diabetes control, and I seriously doubt that a little cheese once a month is going to significantly increase my likelihood of death against a backdrop of 60-120 grams of fiber a day.

But I'll say this: I have much better, and more fond, memories of the great food that I eat when go off diet monthly than I did of eating like that every day.

I'll bet your 'remembering' self doesn't care one bit if it's Andouille sausage (thank you very much for reminding me of it you rat bastard!) one a month or once a day. A decade from now you'll remember both frequencies with equal enjoyment, but your heart will remember the ~30x reduction in saturated fat very fondly indeed.

That said, people used to say they had a smoking 'habit', then that they weren't addicted they just didn't want to quit, then they admitted they were addicted but couldn't quit, now most have quit.

I don't now what it is about high-density caloric food (like that Andouille); but I think for some people it's a little more than 'how I was raised' or 'i just like it'; but something where you 1) recognize the significant negative health consequences 2) would like to stop and 3) have difficulty.

I'm not going to say it's like nicotine or coke or heroin: but I know for a lot of people recognizing their cravings for foods deleterious to their health as pangs of addiction would at once be hard to deal with, and explain why they haven't yet broken the diet-binge cycle.

For me, the nicotine craving is clearly addiction, as are food cravings for sweets and meats...

I gave up the nicotine (though i have nicotine gum for when I have a bad day), I've cut down on the sweets, but am not willing to give up or cut down too much on meats (though I have cut down on beef and to some extent sausages and have increased my consumption of various fishes.)

The place we went over the weekend is 220 miles away from home, and we go there once or twice a year with my grandmother, and usually my mom and uncle join us since they live up in that area too.

Anyhow, thanks for the perspective, I could stand to lose a few pounds and reduce my risk of diabetes, and the woman surely cound as well.
 
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