Steve Jobs and many other tech giants are low tech parents.

[Mai72]

I found this article interesting. IMO, it's pretty telling that the people who make the technology we use everyday are actually anti tech with their children. Maybe it's because they know the dangers associated with heavy smartphone, tablet and computer use.

As smartphone/ tablet use rises among young people we are going to see many of our children addicted to using these devices. Especially when they are playing games like Minecraft for hours on end.

For the people who have children, do you allow them time on the smartphone or tablet?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/fashion/steve-jobs-apple-was-a-low-tech-parent.html

 

[dud]

Jobs WAS a low-tech parent. The article was written 2 years ago. Jobs died almost 5 years ago.

And yes, tech makes a few a lot of money but it can be like crack to most. Many younger people I know (40 and below) cannot function without tech (i.e. a smartphone). Their lives would grind to a halt without it.

 

[purbeast0]

I'm pretty anti-social media because I think it is ruining a lot of stuff, but I'm also trying to capitalize off of it and am using Facebook as the methods to signup and log into an app I'm working on.

 

[DrPizza]

Steve Jobs was also low tech cancer treatment, else he'd probably be alive today.

 

[Kazukian]

Steve Jobs was also low tech cancer treatment, else he'd probably be alive today.

Yeah, no.

 

[bradly1101]

I don't know a lot of younger people. But my second cousin came to visit with my aunt once, and she couldn't stay in the conversation because she was constantly on her phone.

 

[Imp]

Steve Jobs was also low tech cancer treatment, else he'd probably be alive today.

Oh no he did not.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, no.

well, he did think he was going to cure his cancer with tea....but I doubt that he'd be alive today, either way.

 

[Yakk]

Code all day, but low tech household also. I just have a S7 for work, else I wouldn't have one. Hate using these expensive gadgets outside of work, but have to minimally.

IMHO tech is for making money , not me paying for it.

 

[KMFJD]

well, he did think he was going to cure his cancer with tea....but I doubt that he'd be alive today, either way.

I thought he was going to cure his cancer by eating nothing but fruit, which in turn just worsened it.

 

[ultimatebob]

I thought he was going to cure his cancer by eating nothing but fruit, which in turn just worsened it.

So, basically he eventually got killed by his own ego.

 

[Kazukian]

The survival rate for pancreatic/islet cell cancer is very low, doubtful he'd be here ever if he skipped the homeopathy and went with traditional medical treatment earlier.

 

[DrPizza]

The survival rate for pancreatic/islet cell cancer is very low, doubtful he'd be here ever if he skipped the homeopathy and went with traditional medical treatment earlier.

He had a variety of pancreatic cancer that's potentially curable if treated early.

 

[Kazukian]

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/pancreaticcancer/detailedguide/pancreatic-cancer-survival-rates

And keep in mind, he died some time ago, survival rates tend to increase over time because of advances in treatment.

He's kind of like dead, maybe you could let the poor guy Rest In Peace?

 

[Dirigible]

Jobs was a shitty parent. I'm more likely to do the opposite of him than follow his lead.

For example, instead of ignoring my child and denying I'm their father, I spend lots of time doing stuff together with my kids.

 

[Eug]

The survival rate for pancreatic/islet cell cancer is very low, doubtful he'd be here ever if he skipped the homeopathy and went with traditional medical treatment earlier.

Hard to say, not knowing all the details of his case, but he did have a more indolent type of cancer, not the usual pancreatic cancer. Then he sat on it for a year trying "natural" treatments. If it had been removed earlier there may have been some chance he would have lived longer.

At the time of diagnosis, he apparently had no liver disease. However, he eventually had to get a liver transplant. ie. He did eventually get liver disease. The question is whether or not the year he sat on it after it was first diagnosed until he got the surgery was a critical year for his disease biology. Maybe it was, and maybe it wasn't, but it certainly didn't help.

The 5 year survival rate for pancreatic neuroendocrine tumour (which Steve Jobs had) is about 55% when localized and resectable. For pancreatic adenocarcinoma it is about 20% when localized to pancreas and resectable, but the vast majority of pancreatic adenocarcinoma cases diagnosed aren't localized and resectable. This is in stark contrast to pancreatic neuroendocrine tumour. For pancreatic adenocarcinoma (the usual type of pancreatic cancer), the overall 5 year survival is about 5% or so. It's 42% for pancreatic neuroendocrine tumour (which Jobs had). Hence, DrPizza's post below:

He had a variety of pancreatic cancer that's potentially curable if treated early.

 

[disappoint]

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/pancreaticcancer/detailedguide/pancreatic-cancer-survival-rates

And keep in mind, he died some time ago, survival rates tend to increase over time because of advances in treatment.

He's kind of like dead, maybe you could let the poor guy Rest In Peace?

Why? You think his ghost is reading these forums getting fuming mad?

 

[Eug]

Why? You think his ghost is reading these forums getting fuming mad?

More likely, his digital robot soul on the internet.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Jobs would have avoided cancer if he stuck to a whole plant based diet.... including lemony brewed white tea.

Such a diet can reverse our 15 killers.

80% of variance in Brest cancer survival rates is predictable by diet and exercise.


He had something quite different; but the principles are the same: Don't eat animal products, change you base rate of death/disability significantly.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Further evidence supports this for prostate cancer:

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/prostate-cancer-survival-the-av-ratio/

 

[Eug]

Jobs would have avoided cancer if he stuck to a whole plant based diet.... including lemony brewed white tea.

Such a diet can reverse our 15 killers.

80% of variance in Brest cancer survival rates is predictable by diet and exercise.


He had something quite different; but the principles are the same: Don't eat animal products, change you base rate of death/disability significantly.

Yeah, cuz strict vegans only rarely get cancer. (Hint: That's utter bull.)

 

[Kaido]

As smartphone/ tablet use rises among young people we are going to see many of our children addicted to using these devices. Especially when they are playing games like Minecraft for hours on end.

For the people who have children, do you allow them time on the smartphone or tablet?

Absolutely. It's the perfect electronic babysitter. I like it so much more than just watching TV, too. Stuff like Minecraft in creative mode is like virtual Legos...it's a good creative outlet & not just brainless entertainment. Not to mention all of the drawing, painting, coloring, (no mess yay!) and educational apps. That's not to say I don't use TV - I use Netflix & Youtube plenty, especially for educational stuff like StoryBots, Coilbook, etc. - but having stuff to learn presented to kids in a fun & interactive way seems to be the best way to get them to learn new stuff because then the focus isn't on "you need to learn this". I also think VR will be huge in the future for education.

I'm not against kids using technology, unless it's unmonitored & excessive. But that's no different than plunking your kid down in front of a TV or game console for 6 hours a day as has been done in years past, or letting little kids have access to ultra-violent video games like GTA & Mortal Kombat & R-rated movies on Netflix. Part of parenting is controlling what your kids are exposed to, as well as giving them a variety of experiences & keeping things in balance. Kids still need physical, hands-on time for toys, crafts, etc., as well as outside time, as well as spending quality time with their parents.

We have no-screen zones & times too - no devices at the dinner table & no devices in the car, for example. We also use it as an incentive...you can earn screentime by doing chores, for example, and lose it by throwing a tantrum. If you eat your veggies all week, I have a small LED movie projector & we have a movie party with popcorn in their bedroom on Friday nights after we read our bedtime story books. So there are some boundaries you can setup to let them have fun without turning it into a negative thing. It's not rocket science, but it is awfully easy to let kids stare at a screen endlessly while you do your own thing, so it helps to add some structure & define the rules around electronics because they are so magnetic for kid's eyeballs.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Yeah, cuz strict vegans only rarely get cancer. (Hint: That's utter bull.)

Vegan diets are full of crap like potato chips and french fries. But don't take my word for it!

According to the peer reviewed medical literature, populations that are not strict vegans, but instead who eat whole plant based diets, have cancer rates in the 1 in 200s as opposed to 1 in 10 in the US.

It's likely, in part, because according to the research:
" Many human cancer cell lines and primary tumors have absolute requirements for methionine, an essential amino acid. In contrast, normal cells are relatively resistant to exogenous methionine restriction."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14585259




http://nutritionfacts.org/video/starving-cancer-with-methionine-restriction/

 

[Eug]

Gotta love the cherry picked articles, with the sprinkling in of the phrase "peer reviewed" to add spice. It's a popular method of argument amongst the fad diet followers.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Gotta love the cherry picked articles, with the sprinkling in of the phrase "peer reviewed" to add spice. It's a popular method of argument amongst the fad diet followers.

No doubt, i've seen it with many diets.

Good thing that's not the situation here.

Peer reviewed meta-analyses and on occasion meta-analyses of meta-analyses support the power of a whole plant based diet to stop, and for many reverse, many health problems for which nutrition is never considered or ignored.

http://nutritionfacts.org/video/can-diabetic-retinopathy-be-reversed/


Want more proof, see my sig.